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Snapshot: OAG Trivia March 1984

Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:46 am

The 15 March 1984 North Amer OAG is the one on auction this week, so more trivia from the listing:

First appearance in the OAG for Midwest Express; eff 29 Apr they will have a Mo-Fr DC-9 ATW-MKE in the AM and back in the evening.

Hilo no longer rates a nonstop from the mainland, but UA flies LAX-KOA-ITO-LAX presumably due to the 6500-ft runway at Kona. Eff 1 April Piedmont reaches the West Coast with a CLT-LAX nonstop.

The Air-Britain book says Florida Express started 1/84; in this issue their B11s fly MCO to FLL, MIA, BNA-SDF, ORF-RIC, IND and TPA. Best Airlines route map is in two pieces: DFW-ESF-ATL, ESF-GPT-ATL, DTW-BUF-BDL and BUF-ROC-BDL, and BDL-DTW-CLE-BDL.

Northeastern has ten flights a day into ISP: three 727s from BOS, two D8S from FLL, one D8S from BDL, one D8S from MCO, two 727 from PIE and one 727 from PBI. Their flights JFK to FLL/MCO/PBI are A300s. Flight 404 MCI-MSY-MCO-ISP is a 727 to MSY, A300 to MCO, D8S to ISP. Their only flights west of MSY are MSY-MCI and MSY-LAS-SAN.

Zenith International's SJC-ORD-ROC flights are PENDING GOVT APPROVAL; a year later they were still pending, then in the 5/85 OAG they've disappeared. I didn't know Arrow Air had scheduled transatlantic: it seems they had a weekly D8S LGW-TPA-MIA.

Pacific East Air's DC8s fly ONT-LAX-HNL and also ONT-LAX-JFK. ANC-HNL sees WA DC-10s, UA D8Ss and HK 707s. HK also shows six 707s a week to LAX, eff 15 June; were they the last 707s to carry scheduled passengers within the US?

American International still has its D9S/M80 hub at ACY, and now they also fly PHL to BOS/BUF/CLE/DTW/FLL/PIT/PBI, plus PHL-TPA-MCO-PHL.

Airport codes you never heard of: Airmarc (AirMarc?) has four Piper/Cessnas each weekday JFK-ARX, two BOS-ARX and four JFK-FRG. Air Nevada has a daily Cessna LAS-DTH.

Air1's map is spokes from STL to DFW/HOU/MCI/EWR/DCA and, eff 2 Apr, three four-seats-across 727s each weekday to LAX. Braniff II has no MCI hub, but DFW is going strong; four 72S each weekday to IAD, and PENDING GOVT APPROVAL they'll all be extended to DCA. The May OAG shows two of them DFW-IAD-DCA (they're not listed under IAD-DCA).

Somebody said Republic quit showing more than four stops in their reservation system; sure nuff, their ACV-SFO-LAS-MEM-BHM-VPS-PFN D9S isn't listed under Eureka-Panama City, but the four-stops are listed.

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RE: Snapshot: OAG Trivia March 1984

Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:24 am


Does this OAG version actually show a Republic nonstop from BHM to VPS? I've got most Republic timetables but am missing a few from 84. Just can't remember this route and am curious if it did run for a period.

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RE: Snapshot: OAG Trivia March 1984

Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:47 am

I'm guessing I read it right, but I'll check.
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RE: Snapshot: OAG Trivia March 1984

Fri Jul 29, 2005 8:54 am

Does it show Air Florida serving Denver from Pensacola and LAX from Long Beach? My June, 1984 OAG shows those routes. It also shows Northeastern serving Little Rock from MSY. Arrow Air also flew a DEN-TPA-LGW routing for a while, but I can't tell you exactly when.
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RE: Snapshot: OAG Trivia March 1984

Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:00 am

What flights are operated out of BFL at this time? It's about six months before AA started MD-80's to SBA and DFW.

I think the only service at that time was to LAX, but I couldn't name any airlines.

Also, where was PSA flying to from SAN?

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RE: Snapshot: OAG Trivia March 1984

Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:26 am


This is something. I have an OAG from summer 1964. It is still in excellent condition and I always have reading it. There are no actual flights/connections listed. You built your own routings by using each airline's individual timetables. And they were in the old linear form!

TW's Connies still flew two classes with multiple stops cross country. The jets were there (707 Superjets/Starstreams and CV-880 superjets), but they were at a higher fare than the props. AA had DC-6/B's on the similar pit-stop routes. AF was flying Viscounts from Deauville to LHR and throughout Europe along with "La belle Caravelle".

PA 001/002 were daily SFO-JFK each way - NOT cross-country, but around the world. Routings were different on different days, but daily RTW. Their latest N/S routes were SFO/HND (!) and LAX/LHR. CX still had the 880's in the Far East. CP had Britannia's in the Pacific south of HNL. There was no CDG, only ORY and LBG. And there was no DFW or IAD. All West Coast/Washington, DC bound went to BAL.

It really is incredible to see how we flew, then. Oh, and UA and EA had just introduced the 727-100 on very limited services!

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RE: Snapshot: OAG Trivia March 1984

Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:34 am

"And there was no DFW or IAD [in 1964]."

We thought IAD opened in 1962-- or was it 1961?

Thanks for pointing out those crazy Air Florida schedules. Six nonstops daily PNS-DEN, but I think no departures from DEN, to anywhere. Eight nonstops daily LGB-LAX, but no arrivals at LGB and no departures from LAX, from/to anywhere. Wonder how that happened?

As for Birmingham-Fort Walton Beach, the 15 March OAG shows RC 552 BHM-VPS XSa and RC 551 VPS-BHM XSu. Also RC 133 MEM-BHM-ATL-PFN-VPS XSu.

The 8/84 shows RC 414 BHM-VPS daily and RC 427 VPS-BHM XSu.

I'll check on the other questions.
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RE: Snapshot: OAG Trivia March 1984

Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:12 pm

Thanks Tim,

Wow, I thought I knew all of the flights Republic ran out of BHM back in the 80's. Guess I need to get me some 84 schedules.
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RE: Snapshot: OAG Trivia March 1984

Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:18 am

"My June, 1984 OAG ... shows Northeastern serving Little Rock from MSY."

In this one the only MSY-LIT nonstops are Trans Central YS11s.

Bakersfield gets nonstops from LAS/SMF/SFO/SBA on Pacific Coast HPJs and from LAX on SunAire and Imperial. By the way: did SunAire become Skywest?

PSA to SAN: nonstops from SFO/OAK/SJC/SMF/PHX/LAS/LAX.

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