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DL To Cut Ground Time For Fall Flights

Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:27 am

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RE: DL To Cut Ground Time For Fall Flights

Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:35 am

That will be interesting as that is a typical ground hold or taxi time at ATL. Just kidding!
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RE: DL To Cut Ground Time For Fall Flights

Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:00 pm

It's good to see that DL is taking the initiative to reduce the number of aircraft needed. I think more moves like cutting turn-around times and increasing aircraft utilization will help DL financially providing that the aircraft are on time. I truely hope DL pulls through. They're unquestionably my favorite airline.

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RE: DL To Cut Ground Time For Fall Flights

Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:11 pm

Are they going to have to cut any services while on the ground to achieve this (less cleaning, etc.), or is it simply better scheduling?
 
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RE: DL To Cut Ground Time For Fall Flights

Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:31 pm

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 3):
Are they going to have to cut any services while on the ground to achieve this (less cleaning, etc.), or is it simply better scheduling?

I think it is just better scheduling. I stayed on board a continuing flight that was delayed and they turned it around in less than 30 minutes. They thoroughly cleaned it and everything. They can do it if they have to. And now they have to!
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wjcandee
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RE: DL To Cut Ground Time For Fall Flights

Fri Jul 29, 2005 1:17 pm

Some padding may be necessary in the summer that isn't necessary when things are slower and there are fewer thunderstorms in ATL.

Nevertheless, I think this could be retitled: "DL To Reduce On-Time Performance".

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RE: DL To Cut Ground Time For Fall Flights

Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:15 pm

This is going to be tough to pull off.....

It was already hard enough to turn a 757 with the old ground time..... Not to mention if you happen to get a -800 with the Bin 3 carpet INOP...! Hell, that's not even enough time to find a TUG (that works) or a Beltloader (again that works) on E Concourse in ATL!!! (Yes I realize "E" does not get that many domestic narrow-bodies... But it does happen) This will be impossible for a International - Domestic turn I hope this change will not apply to them.... running bags to customs, dealing with customs, much heavier freight loads.... Would not work out! But it is going to be the Catering and the Cleaning Crews (both contracted at least in ATL) where this is going to be a joke...!

This also might end up hurting Mother Delta's Freight and Air Mail loads, "(In a Think Southern Draw or Ebonics) Not enough time boys, turn the cargo around nothin but bags". Oh man I can already hear the complaining from the breakrooms in ATL..... "(Again in a Think Southern Draw or Ebonics) What do you mean you took an 11U, you had 3 people and 45 minutes... How did it go late" But I am sure that the Performance Leads (Supervisors) will be out at the Gates helping... HAHAHA

However, I Hope it works out, the Mother needs something to go her way....

Some thoughts on the reality of this!!! I have been there and done this... Its going to be tougher than it sounds!
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[Edited 2005-07-29 08:22:17]
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RE: DL To Cut Ground Time For Fall Flights

Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:13 pm

How long does DL take to turn its longhaul aircraft?

The 763 and the 777?
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RE: DL To Cut Ground Time For Fall Flights

Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:45 pm

You see...there are a few things here. I have witnessed a DL 763 turn time...1 hour 8 mins shutdown to pushback I believe that they were done turing the plane closer to 45 minutes and were just waiting for PAX to board and a few late bags. It is going to take a coordinated effort of the CSA and Ground Agent and the flight crew to pull this off. It will happen in the hubs and larger outstations, but I don't see this at smaller outstations where ground work is contracted out.

On the other hand, if you can turn a song 757 around in 30 mins to maybe 45 minutes at most (full load with full cargo on a cross country leg would be 45 minutes) why can't you turn a 757 FLL-ATL in 30 mins? the DL 763 turn was on the FLL-ATL route and it wasted time to have it sit for almost what would be the duration of the flight. I hope DL learned a thing or 2 from song so far and can bring mainline turn times down.

Which brings me to another question...are the song rampers the same as the DL rampers at FLL? If they can turn the song flight quick, why not the mainline?
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RE: DL To Cut Ground Time For Fall Flights

Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:29 am

song rampers are DL rampers... and there are not enough of them to make this happen.... gonna see a bunch of OJI's...... damaged bags and cargo...
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RE: DL To Cut Ground Time For Fall Flights

Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:24 pm

I guess Delta has decided that winning the on-time sweepstakes isn't important anymore. Also, there will be lighter loads in the 4th quarter.

[Edited 2005-07-30 06:24:44]
 
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RE: DL To Cut Ground Time For Fall Flights

Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:35 pm

Quoting Lono (Reply 9):
song rampers are DL rampers... and there are not enough of them to make this happen.... gonna see a bunch of OJI's...... damaged bags and cargo...

So they put more rampers for song flights? Then less for the DL flight...wow, that's so....dumb!  Confused
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RE: DL To Cut Ground Time For Fall Flights

Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:43 pm

I shocked I checked to see any lower fares to SAT from ORD to see my mother this fall. I found Delta's website ORD-SLC-SAT. SLC-SAT is returning MAINLINE MD-90 again in October! No more CRJ 700. Hmmmm...

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RE: DL To Cut Ground Time For Fall Flights

Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:49 am

Looks like Delta is doing something right to counter-act lower yeilds. I agree that the expectations are a bit optimistic for ATL as ATL is already insane with ground activities as is and the worst you can do is have people rushing faster out there! It might be more successful in the outstations and other hubs. If they can pull it off all they have to do next is get the aircraft flying in the right market pairs and continue the little steps to get the massive cash-flow issues toward posititive.

Just thinking about it, this isn't a typical fall schedule change used as a postitive PR move is it?
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RE: DL To Cut Ground Time For Fall Flights

Sun Jul 31, 2005 3:00 am

The quicker turn times will allow DL to phase several 732s out of their fleet without cutting back schedules - we shall see how this works. Quicker turn times is something that has been part of the LCC philosophy for years - but the LCCs do not operate 757 sized or widebody airliners. I hope it works, but I am not confident. Look at the trouble AS got itself into....AS recently had no choice but to cut a large number of flights in order to realistically operate its schedule without chronic delays.
 
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RE: DL To Cut Ground Time For Fall Flights

Sun Jul 31, 2005 3:10 am

Like any new initiative it will have a period of turmoil at the beginning. Song does schedule 757s for turns of 45 minutes. As soon as the aircraft is chocked, the cabin crew begins work on the forward and aft galleys. Catering is onboard while the passengers are still standing to leave. As the last passengers begin to exit. The cabin crew is right behind picking up trash, putting back pillows, etc. By the time that last passenger has cleared the jetway into the terminal the gate agent is to start the boarding process. The crew should have the rear seats ready for them, and are finishing up the seats closer to the door. It a rushed, harried operation but it does go off as planned in most cases. The ramp guys are usually able to do their thing before the gate/fa's get their work done.
 
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RE: DL To Cut Ground Time For Fall Flights

Sun Jul 31, 2005 3:13 am

One of the problems at ATL is evening rush. I was on an AA flight from ORD to ATL that was 90 minutes late. Since we had gotten into ATL's evening arrival rush, we zig-zagged all the way from Nashville. In fact, we flew 2 zig-zags between the Lake Lanier dam and downtown before turning for final on 26L. This added 20 minutes to the flight time.

Evening departure rush isn't much better between say 4:45 and 6:15. I've sat in lines of 10 to 25 aircraft, waiting for takeoff.

If DL is cutting turnaround times to the absolute minimum, that isn't leaving much room for making up time from late arrivals at ATL or elsewhere in the system.

The other problem for DL will be TSA. I don't know how things are at ATL, but UA is not happy with TSA at ORD. My wife was on a UAX departure for CAK, and the flight was 20 minutes late departing, because only 25% of the bags checked in at ORD had been loaded at scheduled departure time. TSA was holding up the rest of the bags, and that was the case for most UA and UAX departures that day, and apparently, a lot of days.

If TSA can't clear bags fast enough, then the faster turnaround times will be for naught, while baggage handlers are waiting around for bags to be delivered to the aircraft.
 
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RE: DL To Cut Ground Time For Fall Flights

Sun Jul 31, 2005 5:17 am

I tend to think that the main word in the article is "minimum". That doesn't mean that all planes have to be turned in 45 minutes. Surely, 45-minute-turns would be a tough thing to achieve at ATL, but it is something that could be done without much problems at most outstations. I mean, in IST DL has it's 763ER (204 seats) turned in only 1h35min for their second-longest flight. Turning a 752 (183 seats), say, at JAX on a short hop to ATL should not be too big of a problem to overcome.

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