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No More Trans-Tasman TG Services

Fri Jul 29, 2005 1:45 pm

Australia's travel industy journal Traveltrade reports this week that TG will pull out of trans-Tasman services.

They are going to discontinue the BKK-BNE-AKL service and from October the daily BKK-SYD-AKL 744 service will be discontinued. These flights are to be replaced by a direct BKK-AKL service (three-times weekly) in the 346.  Smile Obviously they have signed a code-share deal with Star partner NZ.

They reckon they're not making money on this route and that "there's no place for a full service airline across the Tasman". So the Tasman route is going to have a couple hundred seats per day less capacity now.

It wasn't that long ago that the cheapest trans-Tasman flights were on TG991/2, and this flight was actually my first 744 flight and it was in the Royal Barge.

The TG web-site still shows TG991/2 as available direct ot AKL in November though, and I can't find any mention of what the new SYD-BKK schedules will be. Can anyone enlighten us?
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RE: No More Trans-Tasman TG Services

Fri Jul 29, 2005 1:52 pm

Noone's making money on the Tasman due to the blatant capacity-dumping of some airlines (not naming any names  Yeah sure)

Sad to see TG disappear as an option, but really it's for the best for all concerned.
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RE: No More Trans-Tasman TG Services

Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:48 pm

Well us Kiwis and our fellow friends in Australia will know the airline/s that TG992 is talking about.

As what TG992 has said, basically no airline is making money any more on this route, as a result of this NZ and SJ are changing their short haul operations by combining NZ and SJs A320 fleet, SJ and NZ are moving to a same class operation (8 Business class seats and 138 Economy seats)
 
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RE: No More Trans-Tasman TG Services

Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:24 pm

From Nov 2005:

BKK-AKL-BKK, 3PW. but my guess is it will change to MD11 rather than A346

BKK-BNE-BKK
TG 983/TG 984 days 1/3/5, B773, arr BNE 11:45, dep BNE 15:20

BKK-SYD-BKK
TG 995/TG 996 [replaces 991/992], daily, B744, arr SYD 06:35, depart SYD 17:00

BKK-SYD-MEL-BKK
remains unchanged
TG 993/TG 994, daily, B744, arr SYD 21:00, DEP SYD 22:20,
ARR MEL 23:35, DEP MEL 01:15. 3 times pw operates via HKT outbound

BKK-MEL-BKK
TG 981/TG 982, 5pw, A346, arr MEL 13:25 dep MEL 17:30
A346 from 1 august, then mix of A346/MD11 during nov-jan, then remains A346

hope this helps.
 
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RE: No More Trans-Tasman TG Services

Mon Aug 01, 2005 12:30 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 3):
BKK-SYD-BKK
TG 995/TG 996 (replaces 991/992), daily, B744, arr SYD 06:35, depart SYD 17:00

So this is virtually the same schedule as the old one? What is TG doing putting a 744 in SYD all day for?
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RE: No More Trans-Tasman TG Services

Mon Aug 01, 2005 2:27 pm

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 4):
So this is virtually the same schedule as the old one? What is TG doing putting a 744 in SYD all day for?

It's an interesting one, because by leaving the timings on the service as is, TG requires 2 aircraft to service the sector.

The outbound time from SYD needs to be around 1600-1700, to provide immediate onward connections to Europe. I wouldn't be surprised if TG changes it's BKK-SYD time from the current 18.00 to 00.15, similar to MEL and BNE services. This would mean only one aircraft required, and would also provide improved connections from China.

Therefore, timing would be:
BKK 00.15
SYD 13.25
SYD 16.30
BKK 22.40

The current TG993/994 service which departs BKK round 8am still provides excellent connections from India and Europe.
 
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RE: No More Trans-Tasman TG Services

Mon Aug 01, 2005 2:50 pm

Yeah sad to see an airline disappear off the route.

At this stage though TG991/992 SYD-AKL-SYD sector will stay until March 2006, atleast its in the schedules 4x weekly until then. TG989/990 BKK-AKL-BKK has started 3x weekly a couple of weeks back and is operating with an MD11 3x weekly. I agree the chances of seeing the TG346's in AKL at this stage aren't looking that great.

Atleast with TG991/995 they arrive into SYD early. Not sure that they would change that since TG have a few European flights arrive in BKK between 2-4 pm which hasd good connections to TG991/995 departing BKK at 6pm.
 
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RE: No More Trans-Tasman TG Services

Mon Aug 01, 2005 3:12 pm

ZK-NBT

Can you blame TG for their choice, cause of all the capicity dumping?
 
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RE: No More Trans-Tasman TG Services

Mon Aug 01, 2005 3:17 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 6):
Atleast with TG991/995 they arrive into SYD early. Not sure that they would change that since TG have a few European flights arrive in BKK between 2-4 pm which hasd good connections to TG991/995 departing BKK at 6pm.

There are only connections from LHR, FRA and MUC to these 18.15 flights to SYD.

Thai Airways Airbus A300-600 Passenger Fukuoka BKK 1200 1520
Thai Airways Boeing 777 Passenger Hong Kong Apt BKK 1120 1300
Thai Airways Boeing 777 Passenger Hong Kong Apt BKK 1120 1605
Thai Airways Boeing 777 Passenger Seoul Incheon Airport BKK 1015 1350
Thai Airways Boeing 777 Passenger Seoul Incheon Airport BKK 1020 1550
Thai Airways Boeing 777 Passenger Osaka Kansai Airport BKK 1045 1645
Thai Airways Boeing 777-300 Osaka Kansai Airport BKK 1145 1535
Thai Airways Airbus A300-600 Passenger Kunming BKK 1520 1630
Thai Airways Airbus A330-300 Nagoya Centrair Apt BKK 1030 1430
Thai Airways Boeing 777-300 Passenger Tokyo Narita Apt BKK 1100 1530
Thai Airways Airbus A300-600 Beijing Capital Apt BKK 0905 1250
Thai Airways Airbus A300-600 Passenger Busan BKK 0900 1220
Thai Airways Airbus A330-300 Shanghai Pu Dong Apt BKK 0840 1215
Thai Airways Boeing 777 Taipei Chiang Kai Shek Intl Apt BKK 0830 1605

There are a lot more connection opportunities from North Asia is TG changed BKK-SYD to around midnight.

Thai Airways Airbus A330-300 Guangzhou BKK 1525 1725
Thai Airways Airbus A300-600 Passenger Guangzhou BKK 2025 2225
Thai Airways Airbus A300-600 Passenger Chengdu BKK 1600 1805
Thai Airways MD-11 Passenger Hong Kong Apt BKK 2045 2225
Thai Airways Boeing 777-300 Passenger Seoul Incheon BKK 1730 2255
Thai Airways Boeing 747-400 Osaka Kansai Airport BKK 1900 2230
Thai Airways Airbus A330-300 Tokyo Narita Apt BKK 0955 1800
Thai Airways Boeing 747-400 Tokyo Narita Apt BKK 1655 2125
Thai Airways MD-11 Passenger Beijing Capital Apt BKK 1725 2110
Thai Airways Airbus A300-600 Shanghai Pu Dong Apt BKK 1730 2105
Thai Airways Boeing 777-300 Taipei Apt BKK 2010 2255
Thai Airways Airbus A300-600 Passenger Xiamen BKK 1605 1825

Given similar connections from North Asia on a midnight service, I don't think the use of 2 aircraft warrants the longer layover in SYD.

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