vfw614
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Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 12:35 am

I was wondering if Jerusalem Airport ever saw commercial service before or after Israel took it over in 1967 ? I understand it has now been closed for five years or so as it lies in East Jerusalem with the border to the west bank running exactly through the area, but I seem to remember that Arkia and the like operated domestic flights from there before it was closed. Does it have reasonable terminal infrastructure etc. etc. ?

Anyone here who can shed some light into the history of airport ?

(Surprise surprise, once one starts googleing for "Jerusalem Airport", all that comes up is political stuff from either side of the conflict).
 
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:05 am

Yes, it did have commercial service until it was closed in 2000 due to the "Initifada." It was taken over by the military shortly thereafter.

Before that, as I recall, Arkia used to fly Dash 7s to/from Tel Aviv (Sde Dov), and maybe also Eilat. I'm sure others here know more details...
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:11 am

As far as I remember, the airport (known as "Atarot Airport"), has minimal facilities - certainly not for Int'l travel.

I'm not sure about Arkia or other airline operating regular service to and from Atarot, but I doubt its efficiency. Bear in mind that TLV is located right off route #1, and so it is only 30 minutes away from Jerusalem, give or take. Thus, there's certainly no economic reason to operate Atarot. Considering the Jerusalem traffic, TLV may be easier to reach from many of its neighborhoods.

As mentioned, Atarot is closed for nearly 5 years now, being located in a not-very-stable area, security wise. When it opens, I assume low density operations will resume, mostly with private a/c.

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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:18 am

When I Lived in Jerusalem
I would fly out of Jerusalem Airport to go Eliat Quite Often

It was 20 Minutes outside Of Central Jerusalem
and it was located in a very unstable Area!

if You didnt own a car ( that wasnt parked at airport )
You would need to use an Arkia Taxi Shuttle Service that would transfer you to central Jerusalem- Not safe to take a bus or use the local taxis

was a little Scary during Take off - aside from the runway being in a raised area ( small Mountains )

You take off directly above the unstable neighborhoods where u think that any terrorist can shoot your plane with a shoulder armed missle!
( very exxagerated!!)


Airport is closed
People Just drive to ben gurion ( 35 mins away ) and take a domestic flight from there!
 
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:50 am

I have done a search with "Atarot" and I found an article from early 2000 in which Arkia was quoted as being still committed to scaled down operations from Atarot despite a decline in traffic.

I suppose the only route must have been to Eilat. Maybe Haifa as well. No point in serving Sde Dov or Ben Gurion as both were extremely close.

What domestic routes within Israel are currently served ? I understand that in addition to Israir and Arkia, there is also one other small commuter airline that serves Negev desert settlements.
 
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:02 am

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 1):
Before that, as I recall, Arkia used to fly Dash 7s to/from Tel Aviv (Sde Dov), and maybe also Eilat. I'm sure others here know more details...

Why would anyone fly from Jerusalem to Sde Dov, or vice versa? That's less than an hour's drive. And there are obviously no int'l connection opportunities here. Please enlighten me!

For that matter, Israel is so small, I don't know how a domestic route network can exist, except for the odd TLV traveler who wants to do a quick weekend in Eilat and doesn't have time for the 3 hour drive.
 
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:43 am

Hi all,

TLV-ETH (Eilat Airport) is around 360 km, its mean some 4.5 - 5 hours of driving, mostly in dessert areas. The flight between TLV or SDV to ETH is just 50 min.

According to www.iaa.gov.il, the traffic was around 1.2 million pax (2004):

Arkia 700,000 paxs, Israir 400,000 paxs and El Al less than 100,000.

Another local airports: Rosh Pina (less than 150,000 at last years), Haifa (80,000 paxs), Ovda (less than 50,000 paxs), and that's all !! Israel is really a small country.
 
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:05 am

FlyPrivate's account above is very accurate.

I flew from Jerusalem to Eilat in 1988 (I think) with an Arkia DHC-7; at the time there were several flights per day out of the airport, mainly to Eilat, but to other Israeli domestic destinations as well.

The airport had a small terminal (rather rundown) with limited facilities - a special airport bus took us to the airport which, as pointed out, is in East Jerusalem. Some people that I spoke with were quite surprised when I mentioned that I and some friends were flying out of Jerusalem - even then there were security risks - I honestly had not thought of that when I booked the flight and, to be honest, did not even realize that the airport was in East Jerusalem.

The security at the airport was intense, although we were flying a domestic flight, each member of our group got the full intense Israeli security treatment (one friend had a new US passport - he had just renewed it before the trip to Israel - and was almost not let on the airplane, the agents seemed convinced that something was up because it was a brand new passport) that exceeded anything I have ever experienced from EL AL or other carriers when travelling to/from Israel. We were quickly escorted to the aircraft for boarding (with military watching) and very quickly departed - the ground time of the aircraft was minimal. Otherwise, the flight was uneventful......the DHC-7 sure got off the ground quickly!
 
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:44 am

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 5):
Why would anyone fly from Jerusalem to Sde Dov, or vice versa? That's less than an hour's drive. And there are obviously no int'l connection opportunities here. Please enlighten me!

Forgive me, my knowledge of Israeli geography is somewhat limited. I must have been thinking of the flights from Jerusalem to Eilat, and from Sde Dov to Eilat, but somehow mixed these up and had the impression that there were also flights between Sde Dov and Jerusalem. But if they are so close, then of course that wouldn't make sense. Anyway, I was right about the Arkia Dash 7s at least!  Smile
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 6:00 am

Fox Bravo, there were in fact some flights between Dov and Jerusalem airport during this period - a couple per day - although the cities are very close, I guess that there must have been some local demand for air service. The flight that I took did originate in Dov, and flew Dov-Jerusalem-Eilat.
 
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 6:16 am

I remember once a few years ago that some people at TLV were striking and basically just sitting down at the runway, blocking it for traffic. At that time, international arrivals were routed to Atarot. I don't remember when this was.
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 6:26 am

It is funny. I just had a chat with a close friend of mine yesterday about the time when we worked together for Arkia in ground ops department, and JRS airport came up.

Short historic background:
Ok, so Jerusalem airport (IATA code JRS) or as we call it in Israel "Atarot International Airport" was occupied in 1967 during the "six days war". It was built by the British Mandatory Occupation Forces before 1948, and was during this 19 years period under the control of Jordan.
When Israel took hold of this territory as part of the whole Jerusalem and West Bank area, we got also the airport and facilities, and the original terminal building was used till the 2nd Intifada in 2000, with no external changes. A short anecdote, this airport was used in the mid-80s for a Hollywood movie "Every Time We Say Goodbye" staring Tom Hanks in the role of an RAF pilot. The airport is located in very close proximity to two Palestinian residential areas: refugee camps and villages

Airport layout (IAA data):
Elevation: 2485 feet (828 m)
Runway: One 12-30, 1965X45m
Lighting and navigation aids: PAPI (30 & 12 runway), standard runway lighting, tower light beacon, NDB beacon, ILS (30 runway), DME and outer marker.
Aprons and parking stands: Alpha and Bravo Aprons has 15 stands for light aircraft, up to BN2 and PA34; Charlie Apron - three stands for medium and heavy aircraft in front of the terminal (1 up to DHC7/ATR42, 2 up to B767), Helipad.
Fuel and oils: 100LL & Jet A1; regular and 100W oils.
No maintenance facilities.
Terminal building: this is the original building with control tower on the roof built by the British with no extensions or external changes (AFAIK). However it had enough capacity for the level of operations till year 2000

Domestic ops:
Arkia used to operate for years domestic flights with DHC7's to JRS from ETH. Most of the flights were transit flights - a short stopover for loading/offloading pax and cargo (mainly small parcels), and the flight continued to SDV or TLV and most of the times to HFA. I had the opportunity to fly in these flights at least three times as a kid and a grown-up and I don't remember feeling the same as FlyPrivate when taking off, just the usual steep take-off which is normal for Dash 7's.
When I worked for Arkia between 1996 and 1997 I know that JRS had very little traffic. It had Arkia daily D7's and also smaller Arkia aircraft such as the Chieftain. I had the opportunity to be the ramp agent that handled these transit flights in TLV station. Another domestic airline, Israir operated for a while, but I am not sure for how long.

International ops:
As far as I know, Aeroflot had a some kind of operations from JRS but this was not for long. The main problem was (and still is) that this airport is considered by most countries as an occupied territory, so they will not accept traffic which originates from this airport. In other words, if an airline will try and file a flight plan with JRS as origin or destination, the local authorities will not allow that. This was the case eversince 1967, and applies also to charter flights.
One extraordinary operations was done by Arkia in one of the 1996 winter season Saturdays, when the Israel Airport authority workers union decided to strike. Since Arkia has most of its international charter operations on Saturdays, we decided to bypass this strike by operating our flights from JRS. We had ferried one B737-200Adv (4X-ABO) and four or five B757's on Friday, and transported all passengers to JRS by buses. We had to reduce the amount of fuel to minimal because of the short runway, so one of the B757's and the B737 had to stop to refuel in Cyprus. The flight plans for all flights were fallse in order to avoid the political problem of using this airport, so the origin airport was written TLV although it was JRS. I believe that the authorities in Europe were holding a blind eye or they actually didn't know about this big lie, because they accepted these flight plans. The take-offs on this morning were spectacular: these aircraft had to use most of the rain covered runway, shooting through the splashes of water in heavey rain and some clouds, and since the end of the runway was not visible from the aprons, it looked like each aircraft was running outside the runway but after a few seconds you could see them in a very very steep take off - mainly since the danger of terrorist attack using heat-seeking missiles before they vanished in the low-altitude cloudbase. You can imagine that we were reliefed when we heared the captains of all aircrafts declaring "take-off on XX hours XX minutes, goodbye".

Private planes:
JRS airport used to have a busy private aircraft ops. It had some business jets visiting, especially of wealthy Jewish people. It had also one or two flight schools and some private small planes which were based there.

Current status and situation:
JRS is unfortunately closed for aircraft operations of all kinds (including military). When the 2nd Intifade begun the military ordered the IAA (Israel Airport Authority) to close down since the area became an active war zone. Aircraft were in real danger of being shot down by small arms fire and hand-held missiles due to close proximity to hostile population, and also due to danger posed to airport and airline personnel. Soon after the whole facility was transferred to the use of the military forces, and AFAIK at least on one occasion an anti-tank missile was fired by the Palestinians toward the terminal building, and small arms fire was shot constantly. However, almost a year ago the airport was handed back to the IAA but it remains closed since the threat is still active. In my opinion, the days of JRS are over, at least as an Israeli airport. Israel will probably return the area in which this airport is situated back to the Palestinian Authority in the future, and hopefully this will be the beginning of a new chapter for this airport.

I hope that this very long "report" gave you the needed info, and was interesting.


Uzi
 
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 6:50 am

I did some more research regarding the domestic netwok.

Until late 2003, there were also up to half a dozen daily flights from Sde Dov to Kiryat Shmona in North Israel (2900ft runway), but these seem to have been axed with the withdrawal of Arkia's Dash 7s. Rosh Pina has been cut down to three daily flights from Sde Dov in 2004 because of decreasing demand. None of them seem to have (had) direct flights to Eilat. Eilat obviously was the main domestic route from Jerusalem as well, with flights originating at Haifa, Sde Dov or Ben Gurion to cut down ground time at Atarot. All operations at Jerusalem were binned in early 2001 (?).

So, the domestic network now is down to Sde Dov-Eilat/Haifa/Rosh Pina, Ben Gurion-Eilat and Haifa-Eilat. Additionally, there are also domestic flights from Sde Dov to Ein Yahav by Elrom Aviation with PA31s.

As far as Ovda is concerned, my understanding is that there are no domestic flights from there. If am not mistaken, it is a military air base that only takes the international travel that can't go to Eilat because of its short runway and small apon (I think Boeing 757s are the larget jets Eilat can accommodate). The same is true for Yotvata which serves as Eilat's reserve airport for turboprops (Arkia operated there during Eilat's closure for renovation).




I found this interesting section on the ISRAIR website:

Quote:
Israel has a number of airports scattered around the country. The main airports in Israel are the Ben-Gurion International Airport where most visitors usually arrive and Eilat International Airport at the southern tip of Israel. Ben-Gurion (TLV) airport handles most of the flights arriving to Israel from international destinations, yet some internal flights also embark from here. In Ben-Gurion, national flights leave from terminal 2 which is separated from the main, international terminal. Ben-Gurion airport is only 25 kilometers from Tel-Aviv and can be easily reached by taxi or bus. Short and long term parking facilities are available.

Eilat International Airport is located in the city of Eilat on the northernmost tip of the Red Sea. This airport serves both national and international traffic, and is frequented by many European tourists craving the sunny beaches of Eilat. The airport is situated near the city center and just a five minute walk from the beach.

Sede Dov (Dov Airfield) is located inside the city of Tel-Aviv, on a stretch of beach at its northern end. Sede dov serves flights to Eilat, Rosh Pina and Haifa. This airport it allows fast and efficient travel from the Tel-Aviv metropolis to the southern (eilat) and northern (Haifa, Rosh Pina, Kiriat Shmona) parts. The airport can be reached easily by bus, taxi or car (parking facilities are available).

Rosh Pina (Machanayim) Airport is the gateway for flights to the Galilee. Located in the beautiful Hula Valley, this airport offers visitors quick access to sites in northern Israel: Zefat (Safad), Mount Hermon, the Sea of Galilee (Keneret), the Golan Heights and many more. This airport carries limited traffic and may be closed when no flight is scheduled.

Haifa Airport is located in the city of Haifa between the Mediterranean Sea and the Carmel Mountains. This airport serves local flights to other national destinations in Israel. The city of Haifa blends the beauty of Mediterranean seaport with the tranquility of the forested Carmel Mountains. Haifa is Israel’s third largest city and holds many attractions for the visitor.

Ovda airport is located in the Negev desert about thirty kilometers from Eilat. This airport serves both national and international carriers, and is often used to access Eilat and the Arava. Buses and taxis connect this airport with Eilat.


[Edited 2005-07-29 23:54:30]
 
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 6:57 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 9):
Fox Bravo, there were in fact some flights between Dov and Jerusalem airport during this period - a couple per day - although the cities are very close, I guess that there must have been some local demand for air service. The flight that I took did originate in Dov, and flew Dov-Jerusalem-Eilat.

Aha! Good to know I wasn't crazy (at least not in this particular instance).  Smile Thanks, Dutchjet!

An225, great report. The wealth of real aviation knowledge and experience in posts like this is what keeps me coming back to Airliners.net.
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:17 am

I'll try to shed some light on the dimensions of this tiny country...

Unfortunately, domestic flights are not very useful in Israel. Israel has three major metropolis areas: Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and Haifa. All are extremely close to one another and do not justify traveling by air. Driving time from Haifa to Jerusalem (the most distant pair) is about an hour and half. Combine this with the lengthy security process you must go through at every Israeli airport, and you get the basic idea. There's simply no use for a domestic air network.

The only place that actually justifies domestic flying here is Eilat. Eilat is a resort city, located by the Red Sea, that enjoys sunny and warm weather about 330 days a year. When things are calm, it is also a popular incoming tourist destination. Driving time from Tel Aviv to Eilat, as already mentioned, is about 5 hours. Therefore, many people prefer flying.

Rosh Pina - also mentioned above - is a beautiful town in northern Israel, about 2.5 hours from Tel Aviv. It has a small airstrip, and receives some scheduled activity. However, ground transportation to and from Rosh Pina is virtually nonexistent and thus the airport can be of no use to most weekend travelers (the area in which Rosh Pina is located is very popular as a weekend getaway).

Other than TLV, ETH, HFA and Rosh Pina (and sometimes Ovda for int'l charters), most civil airports handle mainly private, one engine props. There are a few flight schools, and a few sightseeing services. That's just about it. There's just not enough people here to economically justify more than that...

Hope that clears a few facts...

--Focus
 
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:26 am

I can't see any pic at the DB. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.

Any help please?

Thanks.
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:56 am

Quoting RedChili (Reply 10):
I remember once a few years ago that some people at TLV were striking and basically just sitting down at the runway, blocking it for traffic. At that time, international arrivals were routed to Atarot.

I made a search at the Jerusalem Post and found an article from 22 October 1993 with the headline: "IAI workers close down airport." Jpost wants payment to read the article, but they gave the following piece of the article for free:

"Airport manager Shaul Hazan knew the demonstration was to take place and tried to block access from the IAI plant to the runways, but the crowd of demonstrators, some using forklifts and other small vehicles, pushed the barriers aside and took over the main runway. Workers also took over the small runway used for light aircraft. IAI workers launched the mass action to protest the ..."

If I remember correctly, this meant that several international flights were forced to land at Atarot.
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:11 am

AN225

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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:23 am

As for a picture from the database:


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I have found out that the first flight by Arkia from JRS was on July 16, 1967. The airport was closed in the first week of October 2000 when all road leading to the airport were declared a no-go zone for Israelis. As far as I know, limited operations started again after a while before coming to a halt again in early 2001. Arkia had decided in early 2000 (?) to close down its operation because of dwindling passenger numbers, but decided in spring 2000 to continue flights. The Intifada than brought an end to commercial flights from the airport (it apepars that in addition to what I posted above, Arkia at a time not only served Sde Dov, Haifa and eilat, but also Rosh Pina from JRS).

Before 1967, the airport was known as Qalandia/Kolundia. In the 1950s, it had its own airline, Arab Airways (Jerusalem) Ltd. which served Cairo, Amman, Beirut, Aqaba and Jeddah.

I found an interesting picture from that time:

http://www.geocities.com/wassch71/palestinian/airjordan.jpg

The Palestinians have plans to use the airport as a regional airport for Ramallah. As it appears, the airport, technically speaking, does not belong to Jerusalem, but to the West Bank, and there have been attempts in the past to annex it by the Israelis to avoid that it comes under the control of a Palestinian state at some point. Moderate Palestinians have obvioulsy suggested a dual use of the airport by building an additional Palestinian terminal on the other end of the airfield.

Interesting stuff.

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[Edited 2005-07-30 01:44:07]
 
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:52 am

Many UK charter flights for holidays in Eilat fly to Ovda airport rather than Eilat airport itself.

Monarch and Thomson certainly use Ovda instead of Eilat.
 
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:40 am

Eilat has a pretty short runway (1.900m), so no chance for nonstop flights to the more "remote" European destinations:


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Note the tiny apron. Max. size is a Boeing 757 (Arkia has brought in the -300) and there is only a limited number of stands (for jets, only two, and they limit the number of movements on the apron).

Ovda in contrast has more than 3.000m, but is almost 40miles north of Eilat.

Interestingly enough Aqaba airport in Jordan and Taba airport in Egypt are literally just around the corner from Eilat. In the 1990s, there were even plans to have a singe Aqaba/Eilat airport jointly used by Israel and Jordan as Aqaba airport's 3000m runway literally runs along the Israeli/Jordan border on the outskirts of Eilat. AFAIK, the plan was to build a separate terminal on the Israeli side. Plans obviously have been shelved in favour of a new Eilat airport at Beer Ora 12miles north of the city.

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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:19 am

Eilat is one unique airport, it is ridiculously close to streets, buildings, the beach etc. which is obviously great if you're a spotter/enthusiast! Big grin Another interesting feature is the virtual lack of taxiways (as you can see in the picture)... FYI, Ovda is a joint military/civil field, built after Israel returned the Sinai to Egypt. Taba was one of the Sinai airfields that were previously used by the IDF/AF, and needed replacements in the Negev in the early 80's after the peace treaty.


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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:35 am

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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:41 pm

I have flown a few times from JRS.


First time was back in August 1991 from CAI to JRS

Second time was in February 1993 from JRS to LCA

and last time was from DAM to JRS

These flights were runned by a United Nations flight a Fokker 27 friendship. This flight was only for UN staff, as ofcourse no airlines could fly from DAM to JRS.

The flight was not flying straight from DAM to JRS but over Lebanon and then Cyprus before heading east to Israel.

It was a great experience!

Atarot, as far as I can recall was an empty airport without any checking-in counter. I know that armed guards were going down the roof before every off to guard the runway.


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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:20 pm

This is the airport.

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It is located north to Jerusalem and not at the east side.
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:24 pm

Quoting Flyprivate (Reply 22):
Im proud to say that My immediate Family purchased 65% of Arkia Airlines this week! As someone that Loves Aviation This is a Dream Come True!

Arkia workers sell control
By Zohar Blumenkrantz

Arkia airline workers have sold control of the company to the Nakash Brothers group for $12 million. The parties signed the agreement Friday, and the details will be submitted to antitrust Commissioner Dror Strum for his approval.

According to the deal, the workers who also own the company sold 65 percent of Arkia shares to the brothers for $10.4 million.

for more, see:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/600739.html
 
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:38 pm

Unlike "Focus" wrote in Reply 3, Jerusalem/Al Qods had indeed international traffic well before 1967 and was served from BEY DAILY with a DC3 then a Viscount by Middle East Airlines :

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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sun Jul 31, 2005 12:27 am

Hi all,

Quoting 4xRuv (Reply 17):
AN225
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Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 13):
An225, great report. The wealth of real aviation knowledge and experience in posts like this is what keeps me coming back to Airliners.net.

Thanks for the warm words!!  Smile

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 20):
Interestingly enough Aqaba airport in Jordan and Taba airport in Egypt are literally just around the corner from Eilat. In the 1990s, there were even plans to have a singe Aqaba/Eilat airport jointly used by Israel and Jordan as Aqaba airport's 3000m runway literally runs along the Israeli/Jordan border on the outskirts of Eilat.

Currently, Aqaba airport is under utilized but as you said the plans for a joint airport is not going to happened since the current Israeli government is not in favor of doing any joint projects with our neighbors.
There is a funny story about the proximity of the two airports (i.e. Aqaba and ETH). A few years ago, before the first closer of the French' Mediterranean Club (a French resort hotel chain), a charter flight packed with French holiday makers was about to land in ETH, and the pilot got clearance from the tower but got confused and actually landed in Aqaba airport because the runways are parallel and so close to each other. The guys at the ETH tower heard the French captain saying on the VHF that he has landed but "why are all the soldiers surrounding his aircraft". The guys at ETH didn't know what the hell this guy is talking about, and in any case there was no aircraft anywhere on the airport. To make a short story even shorter, the captain said, after the confusion was sorted out (this was before Israel and Jordan has signed a peace accord) that the Jordanian troops thought that was a hostile aircraft, and when they came on board, the passengers thought that these are the hotel entertainment crew giving them a special welcoming reception in the good tradition of the Mediterranean Club, and started to cheer the soldiers and didn't understand the situation. Pretty crazy if you ask me....

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 20):
AFAIK, the plan was to build a separate terminal on the Israeli side. Plans obviously have been shelved in favour of a new Eilat airport at Beer Ora 12miles north of the city.

The Be'er Ora project is now history. The new airport will be on the Tim'na valley (or as some people call it, Tim'na Plato), 10 minutes drive or so from the city of Eilat. This plan was decided upon since the environment activists in Israel were opposing the original project, and their actions delayed the process of building the new airport for almost a decade. Thid airport is going to have a 3500 m runway at the begining, but a parallel runway will be built in the future. It will serve domestic as well as international and cargo operations and therefore will replace the use of ETH and OVD. The plan is to sell the land where ETH is located to constructors for more hotels and other activities and uses, but the terminal will be kept for the use of the bus lines and/or the planed Trans Arava Desert railway line which will be completed in around 2008.
This project will replace also OVD which is a military airport.

Quoting Flyprivate (Reply 22):
Im proud to say that My immediate Family purchased 65% of Arkia Airlines this week! As someone that Loves Aviation This is a Dream Come True!
As far as i understand Everything is premature and i dont know whats going on and whats going to be. Comments could be cool!

all i really care about is to Fly Jumpseat When I fly to Eilat ( From Tlv )

Mazal Tov Flyprivate!  bigthumbsup 
I really envy you man!
Congratulations for your family, and I hope that you will help this great company to succeed of keeping on the number one domestic and charter airlines in Israel. I think that we saw the first step in this one-time charter flight with the B757-300 to KIX scheduled in two months from now. If you ask me, try and get a jump seat on this one - flights to ETH are regular, but this is once in a lifetime.

Quoting LY744 (Reply 21):
Eilat is one unique airport, it is ridiculously close to streets, buildings, the beach etc. which is obviously great if you're a spotter/enthusiast!

Try to take pictures near the airport or along the glide slope and these nice soldiers/policemen/Shabak people will jump on you  old . Unfortunately Israel is not a good place to be a spotter  crying . But you are absolutely right about the fact that this is a spectacular airport for watching aircraft land. This is true when the landings are coming from the south. The airplanes are coming from the bay and passing very close to the hotels and restaurants.


Uzi
 
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sun Jul 31, 2005 12:41 am

Quoting Vfw614 (Thread starter):
Before 1967, the airport was known as Qalandia/Kolundia.

Vfw, Kolundia was quite busy before 1967. For example, Middle East Airlines - Air Liban was operating 3 daily flights to Beirut from Jerusalem just before the Six Days War.
I'm glad that you found that page to be helpful, the picture you are citing, however was taken in Beirut.
http://www.geocities.com/wassch71/palestinian/history1.html
Cheers,
Wassim.

[Edited 2005-07-30 17:44:21]
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sun Jul 31, 2005 1:07 am

I did another search which included www.timetableimages.com (what a fantastic source) and the following turned up:

Arab Airways (Jerusalem) Ltd. was founded in 1953 as a BOAC associate
and served Cairo, Amman, Beirut, Aqaba and Jeddah from Jerusalem. It operated with a fleet of C47s and was merged into Air Jordan in 1958.

Air Jordan had served Jerusalem before the merger as well. Its 1954 timetable shows from JRS:
- six weekly flights to Beirut, two of them via AMM
- eight weekly flights to Amman
- six weekly flights to Cairo, two of them via AMM

Air Jordan had a pretty big fleet of DC3, DC4, DC6, C46s and CV240s. One of their CV240 (at BEY, not, as previously stated, JRS):
http://www.geocities.com/wassch71/palestinian/airjordan.jpg

Air Jordan became Jordan Airways in 1960. Jordan Airways operated with two Viscounts and two C47s. The 1962 timetable of Jordan Airways shows the following flights from JRS:
- daily to Beirut, x56 via Amman.
- weekly to Jeddah via Amman
- x26 to Kuwait, twice weekly with an extension to Doha.

One of Jordan Airways Viscounts at BEY on this picture:
http://www.geocities.com/wassch71/palestinian/airjord.jpg


Jordan Airways became ALIA in 1963. Not sure how ALIA served Jerusalem until the 1967 war.


Other airlines with services to JRS were:

Misrair's 1959 timetable shows 4 weekly flights to Cairo in a Vickers Viking. Later in the year, the route was changed to Viscounts and DC3s and increased to 5 weekly flights.

MEA - Air Liban: Regular flights to Beirut since the late 1940s. As Wassim mentioned, at one point up to thrice daily with Viscounts.

In the early 1960s, Syrian Arab was serving Damascus: Twice weekly with a DC3. The fare was 10.50USD for the 126mile hop.


All operations by Arab airlines were halted by the June 1967 war. As I said earlier, the first Arkia flight from JRS was on July 16, 1967. At this time, Arkia had a fleet of three HP Heralds and two C47 (possibly already wfu in 1967).

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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:27 am

A quick addition:

It appears as if Jerusalem airport was a former Royal Air Force airfield and was expanded by Jordan in 1953 to accommodate larger aircraft. As a result of this expansion, a part of airport then covered the Atarot area (an area inhabited before the 1948 war by Jews) while before it was limited to an area predominantly inhabited by Arabs. This 1953 expansion fits in with the fact that Arab Airways was re-launched in 1953 as Arab Airways (Jerusalem) Ltd. (see above) with the help of BOAC and an investment of the Jordan government (Arab Airways had been founded in 1946 as a private venture with RAF personnel being involved). 1953 was the year when Jordan declared that Jerusalem was its second capital, so obvioulsy the investment in Arab Airways (Jerusalem) Ltd. and the expansion of the airport was also a political move.
 
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:40 am

Thanks to everyone for the research and wealth of information concerning JRS. A very interesting thread.

[Edited 2005-07-30 20:01:24]
 
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:57 am

Another Arab carrier flying to jerusalem was Kuwait Airways operating in 1959 twice a week KWI-JRS and in 1963 the frequency was increased to 4 a week operated by Vickers Viscount.No other information for later years
 
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:53 pm

Quoting Focus (Reply 2):
Considering the Jerusalem traffic, TLV may be easier to reach from many of its neighborhoods.

Actually, it is. Many of the West Jerusalem neighbourhoods are only about 30 minutes-1 hour away from TLV, even in traffic. Besides the fact that the Jerusalem traffic guarantees a journey of at least 40 minutes from many neighbourhoods.

Many Israelis are also unwilling to go into the West Bank-political beliefs, safety, etc.
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Wed Aug 03, 2005 2:49 am

Quoting An225 (Reply 27):
Currently, Aqaba airport is under utilized but as you said the plans for a joint airport is not going to happened since the current Israeli government is not in favor of doing any joint projects with our neighbors.
There is a funny story about the proximity of the two airports (i.e. Aqaba and ETH). A few years ago, before the first closer of the French' Mediterranean Club (a French resort hotel chain), a charter flight packed with French holiday makers was about to land in ETH, and the pilot got clearance from the tower but got confused and actually landed in Aqaba airport because the runways are parallel and so close to each other. The guys at the ETH tower heard the French captain saying on the VHF that he has landed but "why are all the soldiers surrounding his aircraft". The guys at ETH didn't know what the hell this guy is talking about, and in any case there was no aircraft anywhere on the airport. To make a short story even shorter, the captain said, after the confusion was sorted out (this was before Israel and Jordan has signed a peace accord) that the Jordanian troops thought that was a hostile aircraft, and when they came on board, the passengers thought that these are the hotel entertainment crew giving them a special welcoming reception in the good tradition of the Mediterranean Club, and started to cheer the soldiers and didn't understand the situation. Pretty crazy if you ask me

1. That's an urban legend my friend.

2. Its not because the current Israeli Gov't is not interested in doing joint project with our neighbours, its because the Jordanian officials are not allowing Israeli Guards to roam freely in the joint airport.
 
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Wed Aug 03, 2005 5:22 am

Great thread!

Doesn't Beersheba also have an airport? It seems from the airliners.net database that it's a GA field, I would assume it never received scheduled service?

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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:16 am

Qalandia Airport, referred to above as Atarot Airport, is subject to returning to Palestinian sovereignty to serve the West Bank region of Palestine as it did before 1967.
Palestinian Airlines has expressed interest in launching internationl flights connecting the West Bank to the outside world. Most travellers today must connect through Amman or Tel Aviv which is a tedious process...
If there is a will, there is a way
 
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:02 am

Quoting EurostarVA (Reply 36):
alandia Airport, referred to above as Atarot Airport, is subject to returning to Palestinian sovereignty to serve the West Bank region of Palestine as it did before 1967.

What do you mean by the that ? Is that a political demand ? If so, I would appreciate if we could leave that out of this discussion.

To the best of my knowledge, Israel is not considering returning the place - however one wishes to call it - to Palestine sovereignity. In contrast, the airport is subject to being returned by the IDF to the Israeli airport authority fit for operations.

What has been suggested to accommodate Palestinian needs is a joint operation of the airport or building a new airport in the Jordan Valley to serve the west Bank.
 
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Aug 06, 2005 10:13 am

I flew from Jerusalem to Eliat on Arkia in 1985 on a DH-7. Four years earlier, I flew into both airports on an IDF C-130, and Arkia was operating Viscount 800's into both stations. Arkia also operated Handley Page Heralds on this route in the 70's.
 
semsem
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:42 pm

Israel had tried to operate international flights from Jerusalem I believe but the European countries refused to allow it. So there were only domestic flights to Eilat and Haifa; even a quickie flight to Tel Aviv Ben Gurion Airport. That must have been fun.

Off topic: in regards to Jordanian Airlines they used to fly Amman to Haifa but it seems they no longer do.
 
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:35 pm

Hello Semsem,

I wonder why the European countries refused flights originating from Jerusalem? I suspect because the airport lies in the West Bank, which is occupied land.

I also remember very well Royal Wings operating into Haifa twice weekly but it was very brief (2000 I think). The service was operated by DASH-8-300, the same aircraft which flew Amman-Gaza-Amman.
If there is a will, there is a way
 
semsem
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:18 am

Yes the Europeans refused because they consider the airport in occupied territory. Anyway no one can use the airport now.

The Europeans don't allow non stop flights to Northern Cyprus either. The flights must stop in Turkey.

Haifa Airport is very cute. Seems there was not sufficient traffic Haifa to Amman.

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semsem
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:23 am

>>and Arkia was operating Viscount 800's <<

I loved the Vickers Viscount. What a beautiful plane with big windows. I regret never made it on the Bristol Brittania which El Al used to operate.
 
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RE: Jerusalem Airport?

Sun Aug 07, 2005 8:39 am

Qalandia Airport (...) is subject to returning to Palestinian sovereignty to serve the West Bank region of Palestine as it did before 1967.


well, it's the aviation forum, but if one member allows himself to post a highly political message (not deleted), I feel one has the right to answer...

The future of the airport is not known to anyone of us, but in any case it could not "return" to Palestinian sovereignity since the Palestinian Authority (PA), established in 1993, is the very first form of Palestinian sovereignity ever, and the Jerusalem airport has not been under the PA authority until now........

And btw, between 1949 and 1967 this airport served the "West Bank" of...Jordan.


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