BigGSFO
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If ORD-DEL, Why Not MIA-NRT?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:26 am

To those who are more skilled in the aircraft performance of long distance flying, if AA's 777's can make the ORD-DEL flight, could they also link MIA with NRT? According to GC, ORD-DEL is 7484 miles, MIA-NRT is 7436, almost the same distance. Also in comparision, ATL-NRT (at 6850 mi) follows virtually the same routing as a MIA-NRT, so could it work?

I would assume a MIA-NRT flight would be succesful given the strength of AA's MIA operations and the strong O&D of South Florida.

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MAH4546
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RE: If ORD-DEL, Why Not MIA-NRT?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:47 am

ORD-DEL has almost no headwinds. MIA-NRT has heavy headwinds on the westbound portion. This would create heavy payload restrictions, especially with cargo. Cargo would be a major source of revenue on any MIA-NRT flight, and a key component of making it profitable.
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RE: If ORD-DEL, Why Not MIA-NRT?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:50 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Thread starter):

I would assume a MIA-NRT flight would be succesful given the strength of AA's MIA operations and the strong O&D of South Florida.

There isn't that much O&D demand for MIA-NRT. If AA were to open the route, much of the traffic would be passengers connecting from South America on to Tokyo, much like LAX is used today. AA will not open this route until the 787 is introduced.

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RE: If ORD-DEL, Why Not MIA-NRT?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:52 am

Seeing how the headwinds must also affect ATL-NRT, is that flight prone to unskd fuel stops enroute?
 
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RE: If ORD-DEL, Why Not MIA-NRT?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:55 am

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 2):
There isn't that much O&D demand for MIA-NRT.

There is enough Miami-Asia demand to fill a daily flight to Tokyo. Now, weather it would be profitable or not is iffy, the yields probably would not be that great, and, like I said, it is cargo revenue that would contribute to the bottom line. As you said, good 787 route, and that's when I would expect it. Along with BOS-NRT, a similar sized market.
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RE: If ORD-DEL, Why Not MIA-NRT?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:55 am

I'd like to see AA start ORD-Brazil.
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SESGDL
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RE: If ORD-DEL, Why Not MIA-NRT?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:56 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 3):
Seeing how the headwinds must also affect ATL-NRT, is that flight prone to unskd fuel stops enroute?

When DL operated the MD-11 on the route, yes, unscheduled fuel stops were common. Since then, the 777 can operate the route much better. There have, however, been a few with the 777 but it's not common.

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RE: If ORD-DEL, Why Not MIA-NRT?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:10 am

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 2):
much like LAX is used today.

As well as New York.

JAL does same-plane service to S.America via Kennedy.
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RE: If ORD-DEL, Why Not MIA-NRT?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 6:50 am

#1 obtaining slots in NRT
#2 MIA is in the far southeast and would capture virtually no connecting traffic from the rest of the US
 
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RE: If ORD-DEL, Why Not MIA-NRT?

Sat Jul 30, 2005 6:56 am

I would love to see a BOS-NRT route, sadly if it were to happen, it wouldnt bee for another 6 years.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 8):
#2 MIA is in the far southeast and would capture virtually no connecting traffic from the rest of the US

the same could be said for BOS, with the exception being new england and nova scotia.


MAH, how did you find your numbers for a daily flight from MIA to Asia being full?


I know quite a few people that would love a non-stop flight from BOS to Asia.