MAH4546
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Varig Resuming MIA-GIG...Again

Sun Jul 31, 2005 1:09 am

Varig will be resuming Miami-Rio de Janeiro service, for something
like the 7th time since 2001. Varig flies this route on/off with no
particular pattern, though this time, it's the most they've offered
yet. Six weekly flights between MIA-GIG (daily xTu) will operate
15Dec05 through 15Mar05 for Carnaval. They will use MD11 aircraft and
be daylight services. Leaving Miami at 9AM and arriving in Rio at
8.30PM. The return leaves Rio at 11AM and arrives in Miami at 4.30PM.

American Airlines is the only other airline on MIA-GIG, and, during Carnval, they will be offering 12 weekly flights.
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BigGSFO
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Varig Resuming MIA-GIG...Again

Sun Jul 31, 2005 1:11 am

MAH, do you think we will ever see AA returning to JFK-GIG?
 
MAH4546
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Varig Resuming MIA-GIG...Again

Sun Jul 31, 2005 1:17 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 1):
MAH, do you think we will ever see AA returning to JFK-GIG?

No. They will not waste US-Brazil frequencies on that route, which is historically poor yielding. They are satisfied sending passengers via GRU. If the US-Brazil ever open up more frequencies, then possibly.
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Varig Resuming MIA-GIG...Again

Sun Jul 31, 2005 1:30 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 1):
MAH, do you think we will ever see AA returning to JFK-GIG?

I think after DL starts flying ATL-GIG B763 nonstop as of Oct/05, we could see CO reformulating its schedule to Brazil. In my opinion CO could keep EWR-GIG or IAH-GIG nonstop. The problem is that there are no slots available for US carriers.

TAM A330 will start JFK-GRU as of Oct/05. Is AA going to codeshare this flight?

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Varig will be resuming Miami-Rio de Janeiro service

RG is making many adjustments in its domestic network, dropping unprofitable routes and reinforcing or resuming services in more profitable routes. You may expect some adjustments in its international network as well. COR was dropped from the network, and there will be changes in the US and European network until the end of the year, i.e. new routes while others will be dropped.

RG is currently operating MIA-GIG seasonal (July). I'm not surprised with this announcement and this time around the service has more chance to become permanent considering the huge increase in GIG pax traffic (GIG pax traffic increased 70% in the first semester while pax growth in Brazil was 17% and in GRU 22% - of course, this is mainly explained by the relocation of flights SDU to GIG, but the relocation also meant that GIG is becoming a major connecting hub in Brazil). RG already runs GIG-FRA nonstop B772 and the flight is more profitable and has healthier loads than RG's nonstop GRU-FRA B772. There is no doubt that GIG is becoming a more attractive destination.

As a sidenote, there are indications that RG is planning to start GIG-JFK 4 x week. This was mentioned in an interview by RG's President.

Rgs,
 
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Varig Resuming MIA-GIG...Again

Sun Jul 31, 2005 1:53 pm

Good news MAH4546, thanks for that.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 3):
TAM A330 will start JFK-GRU as of Oct/05. Is AA going to codeshare this flight?

Yes Hardi. JJ will keep the code-share on AA GRU-JFK flight and AA will code-share this three times per week JJ GRU-JFK flight.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 3):
RG is currently operating MIA-GIG seasonal (July). I'm not surprised with this announcement and this time around the service has more chance to become permanent considering the huge increase in GIG pax traffic (GIG pax traffic increased 70% in the first semester while pax growth in Brazil was 17% and in GRU 22% - of course, this is mainly explained by the relocation of flights SDU to GIG, but the relocation also meant that GIG is becoming a major connecting hub in Brazil). RG already runs GIG-FRA nonstop B772 and the flight is more profitable and has healthier loads than RG's nonstop GRU-FRA B772. There is no doubt that GIG is becoming a more attractive destination.

Agree 100% Hardi. Also, GIG+SDU is 27% higher than GIG+SDU last year (one detail is that for complete 2004 GIG+SDU is almost the same of BSB, and in 2005 with more connections, GIG alone is more than 90% of BSB).
RG yields for the daily GIG-MIA surprises Varig with high loads on First and Biz, and also very high on Y. Todays flights as per RG staff: 100% on MIA-GIG (all) 87% GIG-MIA (with 100% on biz and First!). The new Dec-Feb flight with more frequencies (from 3 to 6) is a new development for GIG and also, shows that RG staff is learning how to start a new route or add frequencies. As RG is number 1 at GIG, this flight is very important for Rio de Janeiro market.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 3):
As a sidenote, there are indications that RG is planning to start GIG-JFK 4 x week. This was mentioned in an interview by RG's President.

Hardi i think that RG will announce the flight as soon as they solve the 772 problems (they have 3 stoped nowadays). One at SSA (PP-VRJ) will be back to service tomorow (runing GIG-GRU-JFK night flight both directions). PP-VRA is under Check C on GIG and PP-VRD is waiting a new GE engine (GRU-LIS is operating with 763 during this time). PP-VRA will be back probably in a few days. With the 8 772 operating Varig keeps a 772 during the whole day at JFK and another 772 at GIG, these planes will be used for a daily 3 to 4 times per week GIG-JFK non stop (daily light both directions). Varig is under negotiations with some Agents to avoid bad loads. Probably they will start a seasonal flight to check the market.

Rgds,
Felipe
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Varig Resuming MIA-GIG...Again

Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:55 am

Just some days after put the info in the system, RG has changed the route. Now they will offer a second GRU-MIA flight (daily light). I don't have any info on this change, but this is the info available on the system: RG8610/RG8611 GRU-MIA
Flight will be operated MoThFrSa (4 times per week)
GRU 11:00 MIA 16:10
MIA 09:00 GRU 20:10
Night Flight times
MIA 20:00 GRU 07:05
GRU 23:55 MIA 05:00

Bad news for GIG and also, for RG as at GRU they will face the strong competition from AA and JJ on daily light flights (and JJ equipment is far superior with AVOD PTV). Probably one reason was the legs GIG-GRU necessary to operate both flights (at night GIG-GRU and in the morning GRU-GIG).

Rgds,
Felipe
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RE: Varig Resuming MIA-GIG...Again

Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:55 am

Thanks for the update. Too bad. We don't really need a seventh daily MIA-GRU flight. The flight will be daily except Tuesdays.
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RE: Varig Resuming MIA-GIG...Again

Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:10 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
Thanks for the update. Too bad. We don't really need a seventh daily MIA-GRU flight. The flight will be daily except Tuesdays.

Right Mike, and i see bad loads for RG flight (or low yield pax), too many daily light flights for a not so big market (do you have numbers for AA daily light GRU-MIA ?). JJ loads are about 77% for the daily light but several times Biz pax using daily flight are in fact overbooked pax from the previous night flight (JJ8090).

Regards,
Felipe
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RE: Varig Resuming MIA-GIG...Again

Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:20 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 7):
Right Mike, and i see bad loads for RG flight (or low yield pax), too many daily light flights for a not so big market (do you have numbers for AA daily light GRU-MIA ?)

AA's loads are decent. During peak periods, the flight goes out near full, though it usually always leaves with some empty seats. During non-peak seasons, when the flight only operates 4x weekly, the loads are usually in the 70s. Coach loads are great, business class is usually a lot of upgrades.

However, despite this, the flight is a great financial performer for AA thanks to cargo. Cargo doesn't care if they are going on a daylight flight. Cargo is probably what Varig is going after here, and this flight will probably be profitable thanks to cargo sales.
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RE: Varig Resuming MIA-GIG...Again

Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:28 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
However, despite this, the flight is a great financial performer for AA thanks to cargo. Cargo doesn't care if they are going on a daylight flight. Cargo is probably what Varig is going after here, and this flight will probably be profitable thanks to cargo sales.

Will be a good use for a M11. And also RG could do the same as JJ and AA, a lot of upgrades in order to improve the yields for night flights (with overbooking). Cargo with the M11 could also be one strong reason to change the flight from GIG to GRU.

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