dc863
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NW To India

Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:53 am

Any idea how well NW is doing to India? I had no idea they were even flying the route. I suppose they're flying the A330s/744s there.
 
bobnwa
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RE: NW To India

Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:57 am

They are doing quite well there and will increase service this fall. The are currently using DC-10-30's for the service.
 
Adam727
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RE: NW To India

Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:59 am

From there Timetable it looks like they fly DC-10 from MSP-AMS and the AMS to Mumbia then switch to JetAirways. or a DC-10 to AMS then on a KLM MD-11
 
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RE: NW To India

Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:02 am

Switch to Jet Airways for what?

NW serves BOM presently with their own metal, a DC-10-30 twice a day if I'm not wrong.

They will be serving BLR as well via AMS with an A330-300.

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MAH4546
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RE: NW To India

Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:06 am

The service is only daily. It was twice daily last winter, but this winter BLR is getting the second daily.
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jetjack74
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RE: NW To India

Mon Aug 01, 2005 1:39 pm

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 3):
NW serves BOM presently with their own metal, a DC-10-30 twice a day if I'm not wrong.

They will be serving BLR as well via AMS with an A330-300.

We just have one at the moment:
Flight NW42
Operated by Northwest Airlines
Departure Amsterdam - Schiphol
Tue 02 Aug 2005 at 10:25 am

Arrival Mumbai
Tue 02 Aug 2005 at 10:35 pm
Terminal 2
Stops Nonstop
Travel time 8 hr. 40 min.
Transfer time
Aircraft type MDC DC-10
Service
on board Business Class
Economy Class

Time difference 3 hr. 30 min.
Distance 6858 km
4262 miles
E-ticketing Electronic ticketing is possible for this flight

And one going the other way
Flight NW41
Operated by Northwest Airlines
Departure Mumbai
Tue 02 Aug 2005 at 12:50 am
Terminal 2
Arrival Amsterdam - Schiphol
Tue 02 Aug 2005 at 6:40 am

Stops Nonstop
Travel time 9 hr. 20 min.
Transfer time
Aircraft type MDC DC-10
Service
on board Business Class
Economy Class

Time difference -3 hr. 30 min.
Distance 6858 km
4262 miles
E-ticketing Electronic ticketing is possible for this flight

[Edited 2005-08-01 06:41:19]
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RE: NW To India

Mon Aug 01, 2005 2:37 pm

NW flight to Mumbai is always full. In the past 744 and I liked that service much better. DC-10 flights are painful. And of course lack of any PTVs make it a very boring flight. I would rate it an average service (prefer KLM to DEL especially later this year KL will be switching to 777). I hope at some point NW will pull these DC-10s and put a better frame on BOM route.
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RE: NW To India

Mon Aug 01, 2005 3:30 pm


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RE: NW To India

Mon Aug 01, 2005 5:04 pm

They will be serving the A333 to BLR this winter
 
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RE: NW To India

Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:13 am

Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 6):
NW flight to Mumbai is always full. In the past 744 and I liked that service much better. DC-10 flights are painful. And of course lack of any PTVs make it a very boring fligh

The FA's liked it also. More room to move around and at least crew bunks to sleep in rather than rows 19 and 20 A&B for crew rest. Those days are over i'm afraid due to the fact that the remaining 747's in the fleet are needed for the Pacific Division. Unless we get more 400's, I don't think you'll see them again.
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RE: NW To India

Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:17 am

JetJack said it, the 744 was pulled from India due to the limited number of aircraft for for fleet simplification across the Atlantic. It made more sense for only DC-10's and A330-300's for Trans-Atlantic flights. The 16 744's are desperately needed in the Pacific.
 
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RE: NW To India

Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:55 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 9):
Those days are over i'm afraid due to the fact that the remaining 747's in the fleet are needed for the Pacific Division. Unless we get more 400's, I don't think you'll see them again.

Well... India seems like one of the few areas where growth can be achieved in the future. So why isn't NWA willing to invest in that area (Indian sub-continent) and upgrade some of its aircrafts through direct purchases (747Adv if it ever materializes or through leases)? Pacific routes seem to be pretty saturated and certainly growth opportunities within the U.S. seem to slim at best.
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RE: NW To India

Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:58 pm

NW is already well committed with future deliveries of A330's and 787's to fulfill their widebody needs into the next decade. Especially considering the condition they are currently in, they are in no shape to take on additional 744's. The other consideration with India is the limited demand for First/WBC, hence the 744 would be overkill with over 60 of such seats. 744's are overkill for US-based carriers flying to India.
 
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RE: NW To India

Wed Aug 03, 2005 1:09 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 12):
The other consideration with India is the limited demand for First/WBC

Certain markets, yes, but Mumbai? No way. There is a heavy demand for premium traffic to Mumbai, many airlines using their lowest density planes with many premium seats. Bangalore and Delhi also have strong premium traffic. Chennai, Hyderabad, and Kolkata are where filling the front can be difficult.
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RE: NW To India

Wed Aug 03, 2005 1:18 pm

How come Northwest does not fly from it's hub at Narita to India?
 
schipholjfk
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RE: NW To India

Wed Aug 03, 2005 1:36 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 12):
The other consideration with India is the limited demand for First/WBC, hence the 744 would be overkill with over 60 of such seats. 744's are overkill for US-based carriers flying to India.

WHAT ????????????? Are you serious? Try getting WBC to India. I used to fly WBC on NWA 744 to Mumbai all the time and not once was it empty !!! I have also flown KLM to DEL in Business Class and never saw an empty seat. Are you kidding me? Forget the business travelers, a significant number of the well to do Indians in both North America and Europe who are simply traveling to India on leisure opt for business class. You must be kidding or never flown to India !!!
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RE: NW To India

Wed Aug 03, 2005 4:02 pm

Quoting Leneld (Reply 14):
How come Northwest does not fly from it's hub at Narita to India?

I wish I knew the answer! Anyone in the know - please chip in. I'd guess at least 40-50% of traffic to India is from the US west coast, that would be served very well by a one stop via NRT. The only thing I can think of is that they (Skyteam) get a kind of "scissors hub" approach in Europe - with multiple flights to/from the US connecting to flights to BOM/DEL/BLR/HYD from AMS and BOM/DEL/BLR/MAA from CDG. From Asia (NRT or other), there probably isnt' as much skyteam feed to India.
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RE: NW To India

Wed Aug 03, 2005 4:53 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 16):
From Asia (NRT or other), there probably isnt' as much skyteam feed to India.

But NW have a mini hub even with 757s at Narita.

I believe a flight on the routings

LAX/SFO--NRT--BOM

LAX/SFO--HKG--BOM

As both these intermediate markets have no non-stop flights to either HKG or NRT.

Also they would be very succesful on a BLR-NRT-LAX routing as well.
 
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RE: NW To India

Wed Aug 03, 2005 4:56 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 7):
Mostly the Old livery.

I flew the DC-10 in N/C on August 10th 2004 to BOM from AMS!
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RE: NW To India

Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:46 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 12):
The other consideration with India is the limited demand for First/WBC, hence the 744 would be overkill with over 60 of such seats. 744's are overkill for US-based carriers flying to India.

I have never been on ANY flight on ANY of the following airlines to Bombay in Business class that were not full, or at least 90% full: BA, AI, NW, LH, or EK.

On BA, even First Class tends to be full !
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ca228
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RE: NW To India

Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:47 am

Where are the FA's for the AMS - BOM route based? Are they Dutch based in AMS, or Indians, or Americans?
 
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RE: NW To India

Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:36 am

Quoting Nimish (Reply 16):
I'd guess at least 40-50% of traffic to India is from the US west coast,

I doubt it. Of the US traffic to India, I think a strong majority (60-70%) is from JFK/EWR & ORD areas.
 
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RE: NW To India

Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:33 am

Quoting CA228 (Reply 20):
Where are the FA's for the AMS - BOM route based? Are they Dutch based in AMS, or Indians, or Americans?

All FA's on the India routes are US based. DTW have them at the moment. When we have the 2nd BOM, BOS takes that one. As far as who will have the AMS-BLR? Nothing has been announced, but it looks as if DTW or MSP may get because of the flexibility of the number of flights. The only crewmembers based in BOM are the ISFR's or language interpretors. It's been awhile since i've been on a 6-day India, so not sure if we hav them still.
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RE: NW To India

Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:41 am

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 21):

I doubt it. Of the US traffic to India, I think a strong majority (60-70%) is from JFK/EWR & ORD areas.

70% from just NYC, Jersey, and Chicago is too high. Especially when San Francisco's Indian community is quite larger than Chicago's.
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