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Curiosities About RAM ( Royal Air Maroc ).

Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:42 pm

Hi!

I was checking out RAM fleet on the Airliners Photo engine when I started to question myself why RAM uses both the A321 and the 737-800? It looks to me that it's kind of redundant right? Another interesting thing was to find out that the only 747-400 RAM have uses the Boeing factory code 28 that is Air France one, now any idea why is that?
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RE: Curiosities About RAM ( Royal Air Maroc ).

Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:55 pm

I assume: B737-800 for charter op´s and the A321 for scheduled services.

For the B747-428 I get the following info:
25629 956 Boeing 747-428 CN-RGA Royal Air Maroc 27.01.1994 Active Previously: F-OGTG


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RE: Curiosities About RAM ( Royal Air Maroc ).

Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:17 pm

Hi HT.

Thanks a lot for your feedback, specially related to the 747-400.... I didn't knew that AF had one of their 744's NTU, interesting.
Now about the 738's versus the A321, last may I was in AMS and I saw there a 738 in a regular flight....
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RE: Curiosities About RAM ( Royal Air Maroc ).

Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:17 pm

The first A321 was received in November 2003, and the B738s were ordered in 1996 (converting a previous order for the B734) and first delivered in 1998.
They operate 9 B737-800 for 2 A321, and also considering they operate 6 B737-400, 6 B737-500, 5 B737-700 the importance of the Airbuses is very small.

For their long haul, they operate 1 B744, 2 B757 and 2 B763.

So, isn't very clear, and we can think:


  • They are changing from Boeing to Airbus, as they have last introduced the A321.
  • Even though the A321 introduction, they will keep loyal to Boeing, because they have 26 B737NG + the long haul Boeing fleet.


Finally, the A321 wouldn't compete directly with the B738, but with the B757 in short-medium haul, so any possibility could be good.

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RE: Curiosities About RAM ( Royal Air Maroc ).

Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:25 pm

Hi!

I can absolutely agree that RAM Boeing fleet is very eclectic and understandable, what is really something out of the blue is to have 2 A321!?!?
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RE: Curiosities About RAM ( Royal Air Maroc ).

Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:50 pm

Could the token Airbus purchase have something to do with RAM's important cultural/political/historical ties with France.

We all know that France, home of Airbus, likes carriers to have at least one airbus type in their fleet.
 
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RE: Curiosities About RAM ( Royal Air Maroc ).

Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:02 pm

A321s:
Both a/c (#2064 / CN-RNX and #2076 / CN-RNY) were delivered to RAM in NOV-2003 directly from the manufacturer (no previous operator).

According to production lists, A330-223 cn 223 was produced for RAM but is in service as OE_LAM with OS.
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RE: Curiosities About RAM ( Royal Air Maroc ).

Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:25 pm

Royal Air Maroc uses the A321s and B737-800s side by side. Madrid recives both.

The B747-400 is mainly used on European routes will the B767-300 are for North American routes.
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RE: Curiosities About RAM ( Royal Air Maroc ).

Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:55 pm

RAM is clearly partial to Boeing. I saw the recent order 4 321's as a political move to placate Airbus. Don't forget RAM also operates the 752 alongside the 738 and 321.

I doubt profit is a primary driver for RAM, so a small fleet of 321's amid a 738/752 fleet is probably a small price to keep French outrage low for ordering Boeings all the time.
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RE: Curiosities About RAM ( Royal Air Maroc ).

Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:06 pm

Yes I think the 321 purchase was a clear diplomatic/political move.
 
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RE: Curiosities About RAM ( Royal Air Maroc ).

Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:16 pm

The A321 were ordered as a replacement for the aging B757s but apparently their capacity is still needed. It's likely the two oldies will leave when two new A321 arrive in 2006.


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RE: Curiosities About RAM ( Royal Air Maroc ).

Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:28 pm

The 757s operated by RAM were hardly ageing aircraft. I dont remember the dates of manufactur but they were hardly the first ever 757s.

Also the 321 is a poor replacement for the 757, especially when operating from hot airfields like those in Morocco. It is even a poorer replacement when all other aircraft in your fleet are Boeing!

RAM have always selected very wisely with their fleet and the 321 stands out as a possible political/diplomatic purchase, especially seing as RAMs most important overseas market is to France, home of Airbus.
 
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RE: Curiosities About RAM ( Royal Air Maroc ).

Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:34 pm

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 11):
The 757s operated by RAM were hardly ageing aircraft. I dont remember the dates of manufactur but they were hardly the first ever 757s.

They are approaching 20 years.

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 11):
Also the 321 is a poor replacement for the 757, especially when operating from hot airfields like those in Morocco. It is even a poorer replacement when all other aircraft in your fleet are Boeing!

It's not a poor replacement if 1) the B757's range is not needed and 2) no Boeing alternative is available. When RAM placed the order there was no B739ER on the horizon.
Another aspect is the A321's better cargo capability which may play a role on certain routes.


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RE: Curiosities About RAM ( Royal Air Maroc ).

Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:21 pm

Quoting HEGAN (Reply 3):
For their long haul, they operate 1 B744, 2 B757 and 2 B763

Air Senegal, which I believe RAM has a serious financial stake in uses 737-700's ( a few ex Midway Airlines examples) on flights from DKR to various points in France, and Africa. I am not sure if those aircraft should be considered part of the RAM fleet or Air Senegal fleet. Just wanted to add those aircraft as possible inclusions on the Boeing numbers RAM possibly has some financial interest in.
 
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RE: Curiosities About RAM ( Royal Air Maroc ).

Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:45 pm

Question:

Someone said that they were looking at ordering either the 787 or the 350, which one makes sense?
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RE: Curiosities About RAM ( Royal Air Maroc ).

Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:50 pm

I would think the 787 but the 767-300s are very new. They were among some the latest off the production line. Expect the 767 to served RAM for some time yet.
 
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RE: Curiosities About RAM ( Royal Air Maroc ).

Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:06 pm

Hi!

Well it looks to most of us here that the Airbus A321 was indeed a possible "pollitical" order, now can we imagine what type of nightmare this might be? Having a very common Boeing fleet the A321 must have their "own" team, pilots, maintenance crew etc. etc.
But another interesting fact is that SAS is also using the A321 with a large fleet of MD80's and MD90's and also the 737-600, so it might work.... Maybe our scandinavian enthusiasts can give some feedback about this!!!
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RE: Curiosities About RAM ( Royal Air Maroc ).

Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:22 pm

Unlike at SAS, the fleet planning at RAM has aways been well thought out and rational. Its a shame if RAM flet pressure to buy the 321 and the crewing/maintenance complexities operating a very small 321 fleet in an otherwise all Boeing fleet involves are now RAMs problems not the French politicians.
 
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RE: Curiosities About RAM ( Royal Air Maroc ).

Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:52 pm

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 17):
Its a shame if RAM flet pressure to buy the 321 and the crewing/maintenance complexities operating a very small 321 fleet in an otherwise all Boeing fleet involves are now RAMs problems not the French politicians.

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RE: Curiosities About RAM ( Royal Air Maroc ).

Tue Aug 02, 2005 11:03 pm

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 15):
I would think the 787 but the 767-300s are very new. They were among some the latest off the production line. Expect the 767 to served RAM for some time yet.

That's exactly what I thought, I dont see why RAM needs to order the 787 (or the the A350) as replacement for the 767s and the 757s, I would think of itmore as a fleet expansion instead of replacing aircrafts that were delivered in 2002 (RAM is looking for the new long-haulers to be delivered by 2008, early 2009, so the 767s will be 7 years old at that time, not really extremly old.

maybe someone can enlighten us ?
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RE: Curiosities About RAM ( Royal Air Maroc ).

Tue Aug 02, 2005 11:53 pm

Hi!

Well if we think that RAM keep that type of pace in the future we might have latter a number of 787's in their fleet and 2 A350's!!!!
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