LipeGIG
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Ocean Air: 15 F100 And 2 767-300ER

Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:36 am

Brazilian Regional Airline (nowadays) Ocean Air will receive, starting this month, 15 F100 (under Check on AA facilities and all ex-AA) and also 2 767-300ER.

The F100 fleet will be used for some domestic routes (probably replacing little planes at CGH) and some regional flights like SDU-Macae (oil market). They could give to the market another strong player (as nowadays they use only up uo 50 seats non-jet planes) and another nightmare for RG staff. Webjet just announced a single price policy today for all routes.

Ocean Air is part of Sinergy Group which also controls Avianca.

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RE: Ocean Air: 15 F100 And 2 767-300ER

Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:06 am

Where did you read this? Do you mind sharing your source with us?

Probably the F-100 will be used to open and increase bigger routes... they won't put this new planes in small regional routes sucha as SSA-Barreiras and CGH-Sorocaba and so forth...

Expect many new routes to be launched if they really get all these new planes.

Thnks

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RE: Ocean Air: 15 F100 And 2 767-300ER

Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:09 am

And the 767 will be used on International routes?
 
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RE: Ocean Air: 15 F100 And 2 767-300ER

Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:13 am

No problem Neo, www.jetsite.com.br

If you do not have access use this link
http://www.joelmir.com.br/mostra_noticia.asp?noticia=6086
(its the same... and not paid)

Also, other brazilian foruns are talking about the 2 767-300ER. The plans from OceanAir / Avianca has been talked some in the near past. American is working to delivery the F100 fleet very soon.

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RE: Ocean Air: 15 F100 And 2 767-300ER

Wed Aug 03, 2005 1:30 pm

So that means 8-10 F100 for AV, 15 for Ocean and only 4-6 for Wayra and Vipsa????
 
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RE: Ocean Air: 15 F100 And 2 767-300ER

Wed Aug 03, 2005 6:28 pm

I wonder if the 763s would go to AV.
I heard that AV wants the Colombian civil aviation authority to ask for rights on the BOG-BCN route on the next bi-lateral agreement negotiations between Colombia and Spain in September. AV has also asked to re-open its LAX route. Clearly more aircraft are needed.
 
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RE: Ocean Air: 15 F100 And 2 767-300ER

Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:59 pm

Here are the first ten Fokker 100 of Oceanair - the source is our homepage  Smile

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11370 F100 Oceanair PR-OAD Stored at Mojave American Airlines N1412A
11376 F100 Oceanair PR-OAE Stored at Mojave American Airlines N1413A
11377 F100 Oceanair PR-OAF Stored at Mojave American Airlines N1414D
11412 F100 Oceanair PR-OAG Stored at Mojave American Airlines N1427A
11413 F100 Oceanair PR-OAH Stored at Mojave American Airlines N1428D
11417 F100 Oceanair PR-OAI Stored at Mojave American Airlines N1432A
11418 F100 Oceanair PR-OAJ Stored at Mojave American Airlines N1433B
11425 F100 Oceanair PR-OAK Stored at Mojave American Airlines N1435D
11435 F100 Oceanair PR-OAL Stored at Mojave American Airlines N1440A
11436 F100 Oceanair PR-OAM Stored at Mojave American Airlines N1441A
 
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RE: Ocean Air: 15 F100 And 2 767-300ER

Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:16 pm

I read in AvNews Latin America that Juan Emilio Posada resigned as head of Synergy. Anyone know more?
 
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RE: Ocean Air: 15 F100 And 2 767-300ER

Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:39 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
No problem Neo, www.jetsite.com.br

If you do not have access use this link
http://www.joelmir.com.br/mostra_noticia.asp?noticia=6086
(its the same... and not paid)

Thanks a lot for the info and link.

So i guess all 15 F-100 will come from AA, right? Seems like 10 are stored at the Mojave desert, what about the other 5? Are they in operation in AA yet?

I checked Oceanair website but there is no news about this yet.

Wonder what routes will be the first to receive the F-100's.

Rgs,

Neo
 
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RE: Ocean Air: 15 F100 And 2 767-300ER

Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:46 pm

Quote:
Seems like 10 are stored at the Mojave desert, what about the other 5? Are they in operation in AA yet?

Yes all are from AA and the other five a/c are also at Mojave, but I dosnt know the c/n or registration of it.
 
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RE: Ocean Air: 15 F100 And 2 767-300ER

Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:23 am

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 4):
So that means 8-10 F100 for AV, 15 for Ocean and only 4-6 for Wayra and Vipsa????

I don't know the exact numbers for Wayra, but with Avianca and Ocean Air they can offer flights to/from Brazil and Colombia to Peru, increasing the number of planes flying there.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 5):
I wonder if the 763s would go to AV.
I heard that AV wants the Colombian civil aviation authority to ask for rights on the BOG-BCN route on the next bi-lateral agreement negotiations between Colombia and Spain in September. AV has also asked to re-open its LAX route. Clearly more aircraft are needed.

The info given was the first concerning to Ocean Air 763's. We need more info to get the exactly reasons and where they intend to fly with such birds. With 15 F100 i suppose they are trying to build a little hub for international flights which could be Brazil-Colombia-xxxx. Any bets ?

Also, domestic operations will be heavily expanded with those new aircrafts (and probably with low fares which can hit RG more...), let's see their F100 routes.

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RE: Ocean Air: 15 F100 And 2 767-300ER

Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:57 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 10):
With 15 F100 i suppose they are trying to build a little hub for international flights which could be Brazil-Colombia-xxxx. Any bets ?



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 10):
I don't know the exact numbers for Wayra, but with Avianca and Ocean Air they can offer flights to/from Brazil and Colombia to Peru, increasing the number of planes flying there.

The F100s dont have the range for this routes, at least GRU/GIG-Peru or BOG-Peru. Maybe BOG-MAO but that would be operated by MD...

[Edited 2005-08-04 01:23:20]
 
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RE: Ocean Air: 15 F100 And 2 767-300ER

Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:12 am

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 11):
The F100s dont have the range for this routes, at least GRU/GIG-Peru or BOG-Peru. Maybe BOG-MAO but that would be operated by MD...

Sorry, it was not clear. I try to say that they can create a hub with 15 F100, and use their 763 fleet from such hub.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 11):
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 10):
I don't know the exact numbers for Wayra, but with Avianca and Ocean Air they can offer flights to/from Brazil and Colombia to Peru, increasing the number of planes flying there.

Could be BSB-LIM ? I don't know the exactly range for the F100. But i know JJ operates GIG-FOR with them, a 3 hours flight (over 2,000 Km).

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RE: Ocean Air: 15 F100 And 2 767-300ER

Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:15 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
Could be BSB-LIM ?

Maye those kinds of p2p routes can work.
 
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RE: Ocean Air: 15 F100 And 2 767-300ER

Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:22 am

So with a pair of 767s, will they be going long-haul? I wonder if they are going to take the safe route (MIA) or do something different.
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RE: Ocean Air: 15 F100 And 2 767-300ER

Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:36 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
So with a pair of 767s, will they be going long-haul? I wonder if they are going to take the safe route (MIA) or do something different.

Mike, i think MIA could be a good route if they can feed the flight with some F100. We know that there are market at Northeast (where AA want to fly) and Ocean Air could use one 763 on REC-MIA for example. BSB (with connections) could be another good route for MIA. Let's see the developments, hope they can announce something during the next weeks.

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RE: Ocean Air: 15 F100 And 2 767-300ER

Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:41 am

Does anyone know if any of these F100s were destined for the now defunct Jetsgo? I know when Jetsgo went bankrupt, there were still a number of ex-AA F100s to be delivered.

Thanks!!
 
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RE: Ocean Air: 15 F100 And 2 767-300ER

Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:44 am

Quoting LatinAviation (Reply 7):
read in AvNews Latin America that Juan Emilio Posada resigned as head of Synergy. Anyone know more?

Yes, it is true. He is out of the group for good.
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RE: Ocean Air: 15 F100 And 2 767-300ER

Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:17 pm

I really ownder where they will fly the B763s... MIA sounds like a good option, more likely not out of GRU/GIG IMO.

We'll see..

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RE: Ocean Air: 15 F100 And 2 767-300ER

Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:01 am

Is curious how now we Colombians feel connected with the future of Ocean Air. It is nice to read good news about it..
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RE: Ocean Air: 15 F100 And 2 767-300ER

Fri Aug 05, 2005 1:42 am

Quoting Q400 (Reply 16):
Does anyone know if any of these F100s were destined for the now defunct Jetsgo? I know when Jetsgo went bankrupt, there were still a number of ex-AA F100s to be delivered.

There is only one F100 destined for JetsGo left in MHV desert; the others were already in Quebec. I assume that none of these will be part of the deal with Synergy. All 17 F100s (of which 13 were in service) were owned by JetsGo and are being sold by the creditors. A couple of weeks ago it was reported that they have sold six Fokker F-100 aircraft for $15 million. One went to Ford Company. The others to one unknown client. Later the news emerged that 3 are going to Carpatair (Rumania) and 5 to Austrian Arrows. The rest will follow.

Without the JetsGo planes there are 29 exAA F100s left (excluding the five that are reportedly to be broken up). So after the sale to Synergy there are none left in the desert, that will ever fly again.

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