NO! They have SOME old PLANES. Is their 757 fleet, on average, new? Yes, but they took delivery of a bunch of new ones, including 753s. but they also fly some OLDER ones, with very old seats and interiors. I said SOME, have repeatedly said SOME, yet people read that as ALL
for some STUPID reason. If I meant ALL
, I would have been talking about AA
, not CO
. But they do have SOME approaching 12 years, with interiors and IFE that old (except for extended bins to hold lots of carry ons, added later
yes, they should improve the interior. it's what i said, isn't it? I didn't say they should get rid of 12 year old planes, but that their old interiors are not up to snuff, and they are right now only fixing the F cabin in these planes, replacing 24 older F seats with 16 wonderful BF
seats and adding a lav, decreasing capacity. The Y is being left alone, with old fixed headrest seats with old trays that sag/fall on their own, yellowing bins, emergency doors with loose panels and leaky (air and water) handles, etc. Nothing safety related, just a general lack of quality, and they are using these planes to new destinations in Europe like Hamburg! In their whole fleet, these are the only planes that really aren't up to snuff in Y, yet they showcase them to the world. Heck, even some 733s have upgraded Y and F cabins with IFE and airfones!
It's sad when these old 757s have commercials on the IFE (very old and small overhead LCD
screens that are hooked to a video system that can no longer hold color and picture steady), and these commercials are for an airfone product the plane does not have!!! Ouch! Fly that to Hamburg for 8 hours and tell me the plane is newer than some other airlines so it's okay. it's not.
See other posts. There are no NEWER 767s available. CO
has one of the youngest 767 fleets out there, average of 4 years, younger than their 777 fleet. They would rather take the discarded new 753s than a 15 year old 767s and spend money to refit such an old plane with a new CO
777 interior (at GREAT cost). But they aren't going to spend new money on NEW
767s when they also need 777s and 753s, and the 787 is looming. I don't blame them.
I'm just sure they wish they had 20 762s and 30 764s instead of their current 10/16 fleet, but at the time, they didn't have the money/need I suppose.
|Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 18):|
Perhaps they should consider actually paying for F as opposed to relying on capacity-controlled upgrades?
Perhaps you should quote me in full rather than taking a part quote out of context!
And if you don't know, and you obviously don't, FULL Y routinely costs MORE than discounted F on CO
, which is why CO
is very willing to upgrade full Y for elites at booking if available.
Further, companies are not willing to buy FULL F, but will pay for full Y, and can't buy discounted F since they need to do last minute travel. Making a blanket statement like everyone flying in economy is a cheapskate so deserves to be treated like crap is very common on this board, but it is often just ignorance on the part of the poster.
Just for your own edification, a discounted (restricted F) fare from LAX
in September is about $1150. An unrestricted FULL Y fare on the same flight is $1400. A full F fare is $1600. If you think the person paying Full Y is cheap, you are either rich or stupid.
And in addition, the FULL F (A) fare is also often sold out days in advanced on CO EWR
, which means they can't be bought, period. Same day? Forget it on many, many CO
flights, transcon and even leisure markets like Florida.
And as I said, people willing to pay these very high fares are angry because there are just no seats to be purchased! Nothing upsets a person with money more than to be denied something they are willing to pay for from their favorite supplier!
So, to answer another question, CO
could easily use the 783 transcon every flight, 7x a day. Their load factors are so high on every segment I've been on, they seem to be completely capacity restricted. An all 783 EWR
service would elevate CO
immediately to AA
/UA status in this market. 30 BF
seats and 220Y with AVOD. Beats the hell out of the 752, and would knock Primaris out of the market before they got off the ground (if that ever happens).
They could also use them on IAH
, as well as some EWR
routes like SFO
, and some IAH
routes including south america and anchorage in the summer. And IAH
on 2-3 frequencies a day would also be fillable with paying premium pax and Y pax, as would EWR
Okay, maybe they don't NEED 25 (or any, since they are making due with what they have), but if they HAD 25, they could fill them right now from all I can see, which was the point. And they wouldn't need to be taking used 753s instead.
just doesn't have the money, and even if they did, they don't have access to those planes for years, and investing in 767s seems like a wrong headed choice. And this is increasingly angering VERY LOYAL CO
customers who are feeling like CO
is too popular for it's own good. Just ask any President's Club rep, Elite check-in agent, or elite telephone agent about the displeasure
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