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Development/loads On Some Of DL's Newer Routes

Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:05 pm

Just out of interest, I wonder how some of DL's newer routes are doing load-wise.
CDG-MAA loads seems to have gotten better, but a confirmation would be good.
ATL-ISO also seems to be doing good, unlike Hickory, which seems to be a disaster, but of course, this is based on newspaper info.
Also, how are the new p2p routes developing, most notably RDU-MSY, BDL-RSW and BDL-CMH.
And finally, is ATL-EZE doing better than the last time it was around?
Any info appreciated.
 
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RE: Development/loads On Some Of DL's Newer Routes

Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:00 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Thread starter):
CDG-MAA loads seems to have gotten better, but a confirmation would be good.

Well the loads have been 100% over the last week, but you can attribute that to BOM closing.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Thread starter):
Also, how are the new p2p routes developing, most notably RDU-MSY, BDL-RSW and BDL-CMH

All of these are 3 different types of routes. BDL-CMH isn't too good, but I believe this route was started at the request of CMH after HP closed up shop along with several other routes. Of course DL didn't do it out of the kindness of their heart.
BDL-RSW was started by DL based on demand, but not enough to warrant a Song flight, yet.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Thread starter):
I wonder how some of DL's newer routes are doing load-wise

Some of the routes DL is about to announce will make you wonder even more than these. Some cities who never thought they would have service to Florida are about to get it. Also the E70 is up and ready to go 09/01.
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RE: Development/loads On Some Of DL's Newer Routes

Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:23 am

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 1):
Also the E70 is up and ready to go 09/01

Any routes loaded yet? Are they to be based out of CMH or SLC?

Quoting DAL767400ER (Thread starter):
Also, how are the new p2p routes developing, most notably RDU-MSY,

I would like to know how RDU-MSY/SLC are doing also.. and what the likelyhood of the RSW flight?
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RE: Development/loads On Some Of DL's Newer Routes

Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:49 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 2):
Any routes loaded yet? Are they to be based out of CMH or SLC?

Sorry can't provide any specifics until 08/13. They will be operated by S5.
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RE: Development/loads On Some Of DL's Newer Routes

Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:51 am

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 3):
Sorry can't provide any specifics until 08/13.

8/13? What airline makes announcements on a Saturday?
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Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:57 am

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 3):
Sorry can't provide any specifics until 08/13. They will be operated by S5

Their base of operation is a secret? good Lawd!
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RE: Development/loads On Some Of DL's Newer Routes

Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:57 am

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 1):
Well the loads have been 100% over the last week, but you can attribute that to BOM closing.

Since when did DL close BOM? IIRC when DL announced service to MAA, it was not to be in lieu of BOM but rather in addition to it.
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RE: Development/loads On Some Of DL's Newer Routes

Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:13 am

Tin Pusher -
the BOM airport was closed for awhile due to EXTREME monsoon rains completely flooding the airport and everything else in the city. DL still flies there.

how's EZE doing? anybody know?
 
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Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:27 am

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 1):
Also the E70 is up and ready to go 09/01.

So Wexford finally got Shuttle America certified for EMB-170 ops? Thank god, I thought they could never manage that. And btw, we already know about the first route, SLC-MZT (pending government approval, but I don't see why they shouldn't get it).
So, it can be expected that SLC will be the base to at least a part of the E70 fleet.

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 1):
ome of the routes DL is about to announce will make you wonder even more than these.

Ever since the announcement of MSY-LIT; nothing doesn't really surprise me anymore  Wink .

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 1):
Some cities who never thought they would have service to Florida are about to get it

Interesting. I'll speculate a bit: MGM, JAN, XNA(Wal-Mart employees need a Florida vacation, too Big grin ).
 
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Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:37 am

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 4):
8/13? What airline makes announcements on a Saturday?

Its load date of flights. Press Releases will likely come either Thurs/Fri prior or Mon/Tues after.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 8):
And btw, we already know about the first route, SLC-MZT (pending government approval, but I don't see why they shouldn't get it).

I guess that could be the first route when the airline begins flying on 09/01.  Smile
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Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:42 am

Id be really curous to see BDL-LAX....i looked at all the flights for the 1st week a few weeks ago pretending to make a reservation ( silver medallion shows most seats except those blocked out) I know its not a perfect guide, but not bad at the same time.... but anyways i think the highest day had like 15 ppl and there were a few flights in the first week that looked like they had no one booked. Ill be very suprised if any flight in the first week has over 100 paying pax.
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RE: Development/loads On Some Of DL's Newer Routes

Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:48 am

How is the Wednesday/Saturday ATL-STX (St. Croix, USVI) service doing since that was started in March?
 
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RE: Development/loads On Some Of DL's Newer Routes

Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:35 am

Well, CDG-MAA has been picking up all summer and now has decent loads in the back although J class is still difficult.

JFK-TXL is probably one of the more successful international routes introduced recently, exceeding expectations with load factors of 85-90% in the first two months. According to the Berlin press, even Business Class has been performing surprisingly well...
 
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RE: Development/loads On Some Of DL's Newer Routes

Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:16 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 2):
I would like to know how RDU-MSY/SLC are doing also

SLC-RDU is oversold almost every day.
 
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Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:24 pm

Quoting Jkudall (Reply 13):
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 2):
I would like to know how RDU-MSY/SLC are doing also

SLC-RDU is oversold almost every day.

The route is doing well, though I've been hearing we will see 170s on the route this fall. No idea if it compliment or replace mainline, but it will probably mean two daily flights.

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RE: Development/loads On Some Of DL's Newer Routes

Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:37 pm

Has anybody in the know heard how the SLC-FAI flight is doing?
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Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:45 pm

Does anyone know why the Late night arrival/early morning depature flight from CVG-ABE got canned recently? I didn't even notice it had been canned until I went to book it this morning. Also it seems as if we gained an ATL flight. Interesting.
 
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RE: Development/loads On Some Of DL's Newer Routes

Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:56 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 10):
Ill be very suprised if any flight in the first week has over 100 paying pax.

Let's put if this way, LAX-JFK has been running 87% load factors (approx) For this week in question, BDL has a about 10 less passegers booked than the JFK flights for the same time/date. These transcons don't firm up until less than a week out.
 
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RE: Development/loads On Some Of DL's Newer Routes

Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:23 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
The route is doing well, though I've been hearing we will see 170s on the route this fall. No idea if it compliment or replace mainline, but it will probably mean two daily flights.

I can't wait for the first redeye from SLC on a E70 Big grin . If loads (and yields) on SLC-RDU are really that good, I'd expect that we'd see an E70 flight in addition to the 738, as going from one 738 to two E70s would mean a reduction of 12 seats.
 
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Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:47 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 18):
I can't wait for the first redeye from SLC on a E70 Big grin . If loads (and yields) on SLC-RDU are really that good, I'd expect that we'd see an E70 flight in addition to the 738, as going from one 738 to two E70s would mean a reduction of 12 seats.

I hope that is the case too.. I wonder how much of that traffic is O&D and how much is connecting? It would be cool (but probably highly unprobable) if DL changed it so that it was 1x daily E70 to SLC and 1x daily 738 to LAX.. only because I believe most of the traffic on the SLC flight is ongoing to LAX from RDU.. but, of course and always, I could be wrong..
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Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:02 pm

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 7):
how's EZE doing? anybody know?

I've been keeping an eye on it via Delta's internal travelnet due to my own travel plans there for next week. In July, which according to my travel guidebook (Lonely Planet) is a huge travel month for Buenos Aires, the planes were often full. August is traditionally a slow month, given it is still winter down there, and they look to be running with load factors of about 60% M-W, and closer to 80% Th-Su. My own experience of flying to GIG on Delta before they eliminated service was in August, and those flights had lower load factors than these. They area also leaving with nearly 30 NRSA passengers, 2/3rd's of which are buddy pass passengers, which Delta makes a nice fare of around $260 without taxes.
 
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Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:21 pm

Is there any chance PVD has a prayer of getting some more DL service? It seems like every other town with a runway is getting some sort of point to point service on DL these days. I'm afraid to check thier schedules on 8/13 in fear of just being disappointed (again) by DL...
 
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RE: Development/loads On Some Of DL's Newer Routes

Fri Aug 05, 2005 1:32 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 19):
because I believe most of the traffic on the SLC flight is ongoing to LAX from RDU

The O/D on the SLC-RDU route is actually pretty strong but the majority of the traffic connects to several cities beyond SLC. I wouldn't say passengers continue to LAX more than any other city. In fact, of all the cities pax connect to off that flight, SFO seems to have the most day in day out (at least recently). Also, passengers have many more options to connect out of SLC rather than LAX. N/S RDU-LAX isn't going to happen any time soon. Not on DL anyways. One of the main purposes of the RDU-SLC route was to allow passengers one stop connections to cities out west that you can't get to from ATL or CVG N/S. In my opinion, the route has proven to be very successful load wise and makes traveling much more convenient for passengers going to/from RDU to fly to cities out west as well as Hawaii, Alaska, and Canada.
 
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Fri Aug 05, 2005 11:59 am

Quoting Jrlander (Reply 20):
My own experience of flying to GIG on Delta before they eliminated service was in August, and those flights had lower load factors than these. They area also leaving with nearly 30 NRSA passengers, 2/3rd's of which are buddy pass passengers, which Delta makes a nice fare of around $260 without taxes.

Nowadays we have some changes on GIG. First of all, all domestic flights to RIO nowadays are operated thru GIG expect for the shuttle service SDU-CGH. All int'l non stop flights are doing very good yields. Also, DL has published that 25% of all pax nowadays using GRU-ATL are from Rio de Janeiro, which will reflect a 50% load factor for the single GIG-ATL. A strong marketing campaign will be started on Rio on the next days. I expect initial loads of 60 to 70% for GIG-ATL.

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Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:08 pm

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 21):
I'm afraid to check thier schedules on 8/13 in fear of just being disappointed (again) by DL...

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Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:09 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Thread starter):
And finally, is ATL-EZE doing better than the last time it was around?



Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 7):

how's EZE doing? anybody know?

DL applied with the Argentine govt. for a second flight, this time NYC-EZE.

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Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:07 am

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 24):
I wouldn't look if I were you

Sadly, I will anyway to see what every other city will be getting...
 
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Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:14 am

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 25):
DL applied with the Argentine govt. for a second flight, this time NYC-EZE.

OOoooh.. Interesting. JFK-EZE ? Would this be a winter [northern hemisphere] only flight? I think DL couldn't do this during North summer with a 763-Biz after this bloom of flights.
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Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:19 am

Quoting B4real (Reply 27):
OOoooh.. Interesting. JFK-EZE ? Would this be a winter [northern hemisphere] only flight? I think DL couldn't do this during North summer with a 763-Biz after this bloom of flights.

It would be year round. However CO also applied for the open slots to Argentina with daily service from EWR via IAH. It is very likely CO will be awarded the route as they are a new entrant in the market and opening up a new gateway not presently served from EZE.
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Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:22 am

DeltaMIA: What's your opinion on the a/c availability? Would SA)">DL wish to retain the ATL-EZE? Having this type of route keeps the a/c there all day idle unless a dayflight, which is only used SA)">NA-SA when you have greater frequencies, not yet for SA)">DL.
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Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:33 am

Quoting B4real (Reply 29):
What's your opinion on the a/c availability? Would SA)">DL wish to retain the ATL-EZE?

Aircraft availability for international markets is fine. The only way to make money to South America is to have this type of schedule. If not you are only making money in one direction. This schedule is what business travelers demand and all the airlines do this. Take a look at AA's schedule to EZE or South America. They have I think 4 frequencies and the plans all leave at the same time.
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Sat Aug 06, 2005 2:41 am

Quoting B4real (Reply 29):
What's your opinion on the a/c availability? Would SA)">DL wish to retain the ATL-EZE? Having this type of route keeps the a/c there all day idle unless a dayflight, which is only used SA)">NA-SA when you have greater frequencies, not yet for SA)">DL.

DL is converting 4 domestically-configured 763ERs to BizElite/international flying next year (and another 4 in 2007) to cover the existing and anticipated new international routes.
 
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RE: Development/loads On Some Of DL's Newer Routes

Sat Aug 06, 2005 6:00 am

How are the CLT-LGA and CLT-JFK flights doing?
 
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Sat Aug 06, 2005 6:16 am

anyone know how the BUR-ATL and BUR-SLC loads are doing?
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Sat Aug 06, 2005 10:51 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 10):
Id be really curous to see BDL-LAX....i looked at all the flights for the 1st week a few weeks ago pretending to make a reservation ( silver medallion shows most seats except those blocked out) I know its not a perfect guide, but not bad at the same time.... but anyways i think the highest day had like 15 ppl and there were a few flights in the first week that looked like they had no one booked. Ill be very suprised if any flight in the first week has over 100 paying pax.

Didnt Song apply for that route?
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Sat Aug 06, 2005 5:11 pm

Quoting Thelowfarehero (Reply 33):
anyone know how the BUR-ATL and BUR-SLC loads are doing?

BUR is doing well. DL added a fourth CRJ flight to SLC a couple months ago.
 
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RE: Development/loads On Some Of DL's Newer Routes

Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:26 pm

I was almost sure I saw a E70 in FLL yesterday in DL Connection colors. Anybody know why it would be there?
 
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Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:47 pm

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 36):
I was almost sure I saw a E70 in FLL yesterday in DL Connection colors. Anybody know why it would be there?

Delivery flight. All E70's make a stop in FLL on their way to being delivered to their owner.