Orion737
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European 732s

Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:19 pm

Are European still using the 737-200 for charter flights? Are there plans for their replacement?

I think European ought to replace the 732 with a similarly sized aircraft in order to offer the smaller, independant tour operators a lower capacity aircraft than the 320 which is the smallest most of the major charter carriers have these days.
 
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RE: European 732s

Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:21 pm

Quoting Orion737 (Thread starter):
think European ought to replace the 732 with a similarly sized aircraft in order to offer the smaller, independant tour operators a lower capacity aircraft than the 320 which is the smallest most of the major charter carriers have these days.

Didnt they go out of business not so long ago? I know they are operating again, but I dont know what money they have available to replace the fleet.
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RE: European 732s

Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:22 pm

I wasnt sure if they were still operating the 732 on behalf of Palmair. I think European have achieved some success attracting business from small sized tour operators who are reluctant to buy seats on a competitors charter airline.
 
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RE: European 732s

Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:28 pm

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 2):
I wasnt sure if they were still operating the 732 on behalf of Palmair.

The night I flew to South Africa (26thof June) there was a Palmair 737-200 in European colours at T1 Heathrow. not sure who it was operating a flight for. BMI charter perhaps ?
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RE: European 732s

Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:40 pm

Palmair still operate the B737-200 but they have some newer aircraft in the fleet now.

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RE: European 732s

Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:44 pm

What other types are they using, apart from the 732? The 733?

I always thought European offering the 732 to smaller tour operators was a good move. Many of the smaller, indepandant tour operators dont have the money or passengers to charter a 320 or 757 yet are reluctant to take an allocation on a competitors airline.

Therefore the smaller 732 was ideal for them. It was a robust, cheap to obtain, though not to operate, aircraft they could offer for European charters.
 
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RE: European 732s

Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:48 pm

European have B747's. They don't ahve B757 anymore and B737-200's are still in use i think.

Look for yourself: http://www.eaac.co.uk/

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RE: European 732s

Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:50 pm

I thought that the 737-200's were going to be transferred to the Oz-Jet venture.
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RE: European 732s

Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:24 pm

There are still daily 732 charter operations from Manchester, with two aircraft normally here. This tends to be summer only, although there have been regular operations for bmi and bmibaby in the winter as well. I think these aircraft may faul foul of new European noise regulations next year, so will have to be replaced. Two types spring to mind - 735 and Fokker 100, both quite suited to European's "smaller than an A320" niche.

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RE: European 732s

Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:30 pm

Quoting Candid76 (Reply 8):
735 and Fokker 100, both quite suited to European's "smaller than an A320" niche.

Would the 146 or Avro RJ fit in this as well? Are there even many around?
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RE: European 732s

Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:55 pm

There are few RJs available - I heard that the THY examples are being taken on by Swiss. There are still 146-300s to be had (and plenty of 200s) mainly stored in Australia and Canada. The three ex. Aer Lingus -300s at Mojave would be worth considering. However, these are expensive aircraft to operate and European's business isn't that suited to the specialist short field performance which are this type's main advantage. Fokker 100s don't have this capability but they are cheaper to operate as far as I know. The 735 would be the logical successor to the 732 (and now would be the 736).
 
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RE: European 732s

Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:04 am

Quoting Candid76 (Reply 10):
Fokker 100s don't have this capability but they are cheaper to operate as far as I know.

And there are some cheap EuJet ones going begging now....

Plenty of 735s around. Aren't the likes of United retiring fair numbers of them now?
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RE: European 732s

Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:21 am

The 735 would be ideal for Europeans purpose and would be the best replacement for the 732. They have the same caacity and the range to reach the Canaries and Greek Islands/Cyprus.

They would also offer European fuel savings and the ability to still offer a smaller aircraft to Palmair for its Bournemouth charter runs and to small independant tour ops who find the capacity of the 320 a bit excessive.
 
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RE: European 732s

Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:47 am

Hello,

European still operates Boeing 737-200's and are transfering them over to ozjet - G-GPFI whent out a couple of days ago. They recently brought a ex-Ryanair 737-200 now registered as G-FIGP.

They never had 757's.

I'm not aware of any 737-200 replacement - and Palmair only have 737-200's.

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RE: European 732s

Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:49 am

There's a European 747 at AMS minus engines. Does anyone know which plane this is? Thanks!
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RE: European 732s

Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:22 am

GBDXO is the 747 at AMS. Anyone know what its future holds?
 
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RE: European 732s

Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:18 am

Hey

I heared somewhere on here once G-BDXO is looking for engines - G-BDXH is getting the scrap apperently...

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RE: European 732s

Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:06 am

European operate a programme from BHX on behalf of Cosmos. I had the pleasure to fly with them last year - quite good fun and made a change from the 757/320!

I did hear though that around 5 aircraft were eventually destined for Ozjet... that doesn't leave EAF with much (if anything at all!) I doubt whether there's much money in the business for acquisitions at the moment.
 
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RE: European 732s

Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:10 am

Quoting Cornish (Reply 3):
The night I flew to South Africa (26thof June) there was a Palmair 737-200 in European colours at T1 Heathrow. not sure who it was operating a flight for. BMI charter perhaps ?

Did you not know this is all part of BMI's new stategy and 105th interim livery  Wink

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RE: European 732s

Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:56 am

Two of the B747s are being leased to Corsair until February 2006, G-BDXE and G-BDXF I think. The fleet status;

G-CEAC - B737-229 - Built 1974 & 60168 hours.
G-CEAD - B737-229 - Built 1975 & 58657 hours.
G-CEAE - B737-229 - Built 1975 & 57114 hours.
G-CEAF - B737-229 - Built 1974 & 58176 hours.
G-CEAG - B737-229 - Built 1975 & 57165 hours.
G-CEAH - B737-229 - Built 1975 & 55382 hours.
G-CEAJ - B737-229 - Built 1975 & 58061 hours.
G-FIGP - B737-2E7 - Built 1983 & 54203 hours.
G-GPFI - B737-229 - Built 1974 & 60737 hours.
G-BDXE - B747-236B - Built 1977 & 97410 hours.
G-BDXF - B747-236B - Built 1977 & 98420 hours.
G-BDXG - B747-236B - Built 1977 & 96238 hours.
G-BDXH - B747-236B - Built 1979 & 86690 hours.

The data for the number of hours is probably way out by now, but it gives you an idea of how hard worked these machines are. The frame they acquired from FR is several years younger, but has nearly as many hours on it. I thought they were going to put G-BDXH back into service because of its lower hours, but maybe plans have changed.

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RE: European 732s

Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:54 pm

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 1):
Didnt they go out of business not so long ago?

Big financial problems last year, and were operated under some sort of protection (don't think it was administration, but some sort of voluntary agreement with creditors), certainly many staff redundant, and never paid (all of) what they were owed. Fleet was reduced, 747s were supposed to be gone, but obviously are back... though the operating company may have a different name.

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 4):
Palmair still operate the B737-200 but they have some newer aircraft in the fleet now.

Do you mean EAC? Don't know if any 732 can be described as 'newer'... may be just less elderly  Smile

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 6):
They don't ahve B757 anymore

And as BmiBaby737 points out, they never did. They did have a B727-100 and an A300 though, but I don't think they ever flew any commercial services for them?

Quoting Candid76 (Reply 8):
There are still daily 732 charter operations from Manchester, with two aircraft normally here

Also BHX as mentioned, STN too - do EAC still have the MoD contract for flights to the UK mil bases in Germany?
There is also an aircraft based in Italy this summer flying from Bologna to Rhodes / Heraklion / Mykonos and Naples to Ibiza (and no doubt other services too)
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RE: European 732s

Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:29 pm

European use the RTF callsign "Eurocharter" and the other day I worked an A320 departing from Liverpool I think, which used this callsign. Can anyone clear up my confusion over this? My guess was that their own aircraft had a problem and they had sub chartered another!
 
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RE: European 732s

Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:59 pm

Hi Jimmi/BmiBaby737,

Do you know if Palmair will eventually break off of European, and become their 'own' airline?

Simon
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RE: European 732s

Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:38 pm

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 22):
Do you know if Palmair will eventually break off of European, and become their 'own' airline?

Why not contact Bath Travel and see what they say...? (2 Albert Rd , Bournemouth BH 1 1BY)

The fact is, that Palmair works well as a brand for Bath Travel, and I guess as long as EAC have an aircraft that suits Bath's needs, and can provide a level of service to Bath's liking it'll continue. After all why should Bath Travel go to the expense of operating their own airline - no opportunities through economy of scale etc..

Far more likely is that the Bath Travel / Palmair contract would go to another airline, just as the contract moved from Flightline to European.
I see that Astraeus is operating flights for Bath Travel this winter to PFO & LXR, 'with Palmair crew providing the inflight service', so this could be a hint of what the future may bring.
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