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Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:09 am

From Yahoo News:

The Airbus A-340's twin tail-mounted engines had just started to burn

Really, there's nothing I can add, this speaks for itself.
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Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:22 am

Don't they mean the propellers???
 
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Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:34 am

I knew there had to be more engines somewhere to help with that "horrible" rate of climb! Airbus must have added them just before the authorities grounded all of their planes as unsafe!  Yeah sure
 
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Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:40 am

That's funny, I just read the offending article a few minutes before seeing your thread.

Here it is:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20050803/ca_pr_on_na/plane_crash_25

It looks like Yahoo News picked it up from the Canadian Press, or CP, which seems like a Canadian version of the Associated Press. Can any Canadian members clarify that?

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Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:45 am

Normally the sort of inaccuracies picked up by a.netters are pretty pedantic ('everyone knows that an A340-300 has 32 X-Y capacitors instead of the 30 as reported by such-and-such news' etc) but this really is pretty poor. You would think that yahoo of all people could do a search and see that the engines on an A340.

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Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:09 am

I do not know if any one heard the audio feed from CTV I think yesterday a few minutes after the crash. The guy they were interviewing pretended to know all kinds of stuff. While to the public it did make sense what he said did not. He first said it landed on 25R even though there is no such thing, which okay, I will give him that mistake. Then he procedeed to talk about planes overshooting the runway and performing missed approaches, well pilots know thr MAP is well before the end of the runway, and this went on and on and on and on. This goes back to what we have all said, just do a little research. On the evening news when there is a wreck, I have rarely heard them identify the wrong brand or type of vehicle, so get it correct in aviation!!
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Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:20 am

Quoting Jtamu97 (Reply 5):
On the evening news when there is a wreck, I have rarely heard them identify the wrong brand or type of vehicle, so get it correct in aviation!!

Jtamu97, you finally gave me ammo in this debate. Everyone always tells me "it's hard to get it right blablabla". But you make a great point. If there is a car crash no one has any difficulty in identifying it correctly.
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Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:26 am

Quoting Jtamu97 (Reply 5):
I do not know if any one heard the audio feed from CTV I think yesterday a few minutes after the crash. The guy they were interviewing pretended to know all kinds of stuff.

Good point. I heard that feed from CTV which was carried on CNN and cringed at some of the things that were said. However, when you're interviewing eyewitnesses at the scene, you're going to get all kinds inaccurate information.

Back in 1996, I remember seeing feed coverage of the TWA Flight 800 disaster and one of the first reporters on the scene was a complete moron and asked all different kinds of stupid questions to the people handling the rescue effort (it had not turned into a recovery effort by that point).

So there's no such thing as a stupid question? Okay, there are just stupid people.  Wink

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Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:26 am

Quoting JeffSFO (Reply 3):
It looks like Yahoo News picked it up from the Canadian Press, or CP, which seems like a Canadian version of the Associated Press. Can any Canadian members clarify that?

CP is indeed Canada's equivalent of the AP. Normally they are quite accurate but this is so ridiculous it kinda takes your breath away.

As for the article I think 30 seconds on google or airbus.com might have been a worthy investment of time before circulating this piece of "journalism."

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Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:19 am

What you've got here is the quandry of timeliness vs. accuracy. People want to know as much as possible as soon as possible. The reporters don't always have time to confirm facts before a managing editor calls them and says "give me everything you've got." Then the editor is pressured to broadcast the story ASAP lest s/he come in second with the breaking news.

People demand details, and yet most don't give the same details a second thought.

It's a terrible dilemma.


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Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:24 am

*grumble* just watched an interview on the Foxnews website, the interviewer asks the 20 year old kid "So you are telling us that the weather was definitely a factor in this crash" - in the tone that one would use asking a question during a press conference with the NTSB.

Kid was NOT wearing any a-net apparel.

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Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:31 am

I think we can deal with certain inaccuracies so the information gets to us quicker such as people on board, departure airport, etc. It is just ashame when the inaccuracies are so obvious to us, but not to others such as stating it was a Lufthansa 737, someone saying how much fuel is "dumped" on descent, reporters questioning why the plane has not exploded and asking when will it. I just can't stand all of these aviation "experts" that pop up during crashes, including some of us on here. Plus the media should back off and not ask such aviation related questions to the eye witnesses. Just let them tell us their story as they see it. Back to my car crash example, you don't just have some hippi off the streets analyzing why this Ford motorcycle hit this Kawasaki Hummer. I just jumped off my soap box.
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Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:49 am

Quoting Redngold (Reply 9):
What you've got here is the quandry of timeliness vs. accuracy. People want to know as much as possible as soon as possible. The reporters don't always have time to confirm facts before a managing editor calls them and says "give me everything you've got." Then the editor is pressured to broadcast the story ASAP lest s/he come in second with the breaking news.

That's true, except the story in question appeared around noon EDT on Wednesday, in other words 20 hours since the incident occurred. It had long since ceased to be breaking news. It is possibly understandable if a report immediately after the incident had referred to the 340's "tail mounted" engines. In the present case, however, there had been more than enough time to do the very basic fact-checking that would have exposed the error.
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Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:00 am

There was a real beaut on the Beeb today:

In June 1978, an Air Canada DC-9 leaving the airport had barely left the ground when the pilot aborted take-off.

(Obviously, he didn't quite get the concept of "decision speed"!)
 
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Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:28 am

Quoting PROSA (Reply 12):
That's true, except the story in question appeared around noon EDT on Wednesday, in other words 20 hours since the incident occurred.

In that case, I agree with you. Someone probably did a cut and paste, which IMHO isn't journalism at all (unless you cite the source in a prominent position, like at the beginning of the article.)
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