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I Found A Video Clip Of KL691 In SYR

Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:28 am

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RE: I Found A Video Clip Of KL691 In SYR

Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:45 am

Cool to see a 747 at SYR. Thanks for the link.

I think that it's funny that they were calling it an "emergency landing due to a fuel problem" I would have called it a diverted flight due to the emergency at Toronto.
 
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RE: I Found A Video Clip Of KL691 In SYR

Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:21 am

Technically speaking KL691 did declare an emergency. B/c of the extended hold time due to weather at YYZ and then the shutdown basically meant that the plane had to land ASAP. As SYR was just off of the nose it was the closest divert.
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RE: I Found A Video Clip Of KL691 In SYR

Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:57 am

I did read later that they had declared an emergency. I was just coming back here to edit when I read your post. I still think that the reporter was doing a little sensational reporting though in emphasizing the emergency.
 
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RE: I Found A Video Clip Of KL691 In SYR

Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:03 am

Emphasizing that no one was hurt on a diversion... definitely sensationalism... but that's what the media is there to do... was the specatator one of us? Wink had a scanner and a camera!
 
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RE: I Found A Video Clip Of KL691 In SYR

Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:05 am

I listened to ATC at YYZ - KL691 declared a fuel emergency as soon as the airport was determined closed.

ATC recommended Hamilton, but KL691 requested SYR.
 
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RE: I Found A Video Clip Of KL691 In SYR

Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:14 am

Yeah, KLM 691 was about to be rerouted and the exchange went something like this:

Pilot: KLM 691 is declaring a fuel emergency. Pan Pan Pan. We are low on fuel and request direct to Syracuse.

ATC: Copy, we can give you Hamilton if you'd like.

Pilot: KLM 691 that's negative, we have Syracuse as an alternate.

ATC: Acknowledged. Turn left heading XXX direct Syracuse.

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RE: I Found A Video Clip Of KL691 In SYR

Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:24 am

I liked how he emphasised the 747 was no big deal...

I mean, what does he want, the freakin' An-225?!?  Silly


In seriousness, he couldn't have said it better. Fuel emergency, diverted without problems and everyone's fine.
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RE: I Found A Video Clip Of KL691 In SYR

Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:46 am

Luckily nobody was hurt during the emergency landing in Syracuse!

Ok, emergency landing in theory, but wounded people during a normal landing?

A little bit too much I think ...

I think the people over there were just happy that something unusual happened.
 
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RE: I Found A Video Clip Of KL691 In SYR

Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:58 am

I wonder if the Ed Stronski guy on the news is an A.Netter?
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RE: I Found A Video Clip Of KL691 In SYR

Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:15 am

Although they declared a fuel emergency, emergency landing implies something catastrophic could happen if they didn't get down right then and there. Fact is the airplane could have diverted to any alternate they wanted and they only declared an emergency to get the controllers to realize their fuel situation. Nothing was ever out of hand or in a real state of emergency, as the video implies.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 9):
I wonder if the Ed Stronski guy on the news is an A.Netter?

I wonder too... he seemed like the type  silly 
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RE: I Found A Video Clip Of KL691 In SYR

Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:30 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 10):
I wonder too... he seemed like the type

Well he did know the exact length of the runway!
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RE: I Found A Video Clip Of KL691 In SYR

Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:10 am

How come the plane was not diverted to Buffalo (a bigger airport) or Rochester (ROC) which seems closer to Toronto (right across the Lake)? Was Buffalo experiencing similar weather condition at the time?

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RE: I Found A Video Clip Of KL691 In SYR

Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:28 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 10):
Fact is the airplane could have diverted to any alternate they wanted and they only declared an emergency to get the controllers to realize their fuel situation.

In light of previous crashes, such as the Avianca 707 crash landing in Queens 15 years ago, making your fuel situation CLEAR to controllers would be a standard procedure.

Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 12):
How come the plane was not diverted to Buffalo (a bigger airport) or Rochester (ROC) which seems closer to Toronto (right across the Lake)? Was Buffalo experiencing similar weather condition at the time?

I suspect the divert to SYR was due in large part to where the hold pattern was. Plus SYR has the longest runway of any of the major upstate airports (9003' as Ed points out in the newsclip  Smile)

And yes Buffalo was being hit by the same system that was over Toronto.
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RE: I Found A Video Clip Of KL691 In SYR

Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:48 am

Back in '87 or'88 a BA Concorde paid a visit to KSYR to do an "out over the Atlantic at Mach 2" charter joy ride.
 
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RE: I Found A Video Clip Of KL691 In SYR

Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:07 am

Quoting Redngold (Reply 6):
Yeah, KLM 691 was about to be rerouted and the exchange went something like this:

Pilot: KLM 691 is declaring a fuel emergency. Pan Pan Pan. We are low on fuel and request direct to Syracuse.

ATC: Copy, we can give you Hamilton if you'd like.

Pilot: KLM 691 that's negative, we have Syracuse as an alternate.

ATC: Acknowledged. Turn left heading XXX direct Syracuse.

If anyone is interested, you can hear the ATC conversation with KL691 in this mp3 (got it from LorM in the Air France A340 Off Runway In YYZ thread)
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RE: I Found A Video Clip Of KL691 In SYR

Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:47 am

I love the

"In other news, all 309 passengers and crew survived the fiery crash of a jet..."

Gotta definitely keep your strories prioritized!
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RE: I Found A Video Clip Of KL691 In SYR

Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:25 pm

I wished they would have sent it ehre. I was at YHM the evening. and Out side of perason we have the lngerst Runway in the area 10,000 Feet. oh well did have an ElAl 767-300 which was cool.
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RE: I Found A Video Clip Of KL691 In SYR

Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:36 pm

how many Heavies were at SYR due to Toronto closure? i have listened to the audio and it seems likle there was an Air Canada Heavy diversion to SYR ?
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RE: I Found A Video Clip Of KL691 In SYR

Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:07 am

Wow. That's cool to see a 747 at SYR! I'm just glad there wasn't another accident. But it is a big deal when a huge heavy like that comes to Syracuse everyone.
 
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RE: I Found A Video Clip Of KL691 In SYR

Fri Aug 05, 2005 6:12 am

I listened to the SYR audio, and KLM was the only divertee. If you listen to the SYR audio, around 16:25, it's really interesting. There's a bunch of private planes that have to keep being turned away.

The ATC feed from liveatc.net:

http://www.liveatc.net/.archive/ksyr/KSYR-Aug-02-05-1600.mp3 (about last five minutes)
http://www.liveatc.net/.archive/ksyr/KSYR-Aug-02-05-1630.mp3 (right from the beginning)

I'm glad News 10 Now added the video clip... Took them awhile! Usually it's up right with the story, not over a day later!

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