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Ansett - Set To Fly The B777.

Mon May 01, 2000 10:27 pm

BIG News reported today in the Australian Financial Review!

Whilst Qantas is negotiating with Boeing & Airbus on a new fleet of 10 widebodied aircraft, It looks as though Ansett may have beaten them to the punch!

"Ansett is likely to deploy within a year a fleet of B777's from Singapore Airlines for expansion onto Asian routes and peak-hour flights between Melbourne & Sydney.
SQ which now owns 25% of AN through its quarter share of Air NZ, has said it will aggressively expand both airlines with new planes & routes"

As a side note, the AFR also stated that Airbus are offering Qantas a huge discount to be a launch customer for the A3XX along with signed up customers - Emirates, Cathay, Singapore Airlines, ANA and freight/parcel operators FedEX & Atlas. They say a cost of $US280 million per aircraft would be realistic, but if QF orders now they could save as much as $US56 million off each aircraft!

We will wait & see!

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RE: Ansett - Set To Fly The B777.

Mon May 01, 2000 10:56 pm

Hmmm, things might get interesting over here soon, I hope I can score a job at the airport.
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RE: Ansett - Set To Fly The B777.

Tue May 02, 2000 4:44 am

This sounds very promising, but I'd like to hear something official from Ansett or Singapore Airlines. Hopefully this will come true. That would be very good for Ansett Australia. The777Man
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RE: Ansett - Set To Fly The B777.

Tue May 02, 2000 8:40 am

Both SQ & NZ have stated publicly that they want the Ansett brand flying more international services & infact Jim McCrea CEO of both NZ & now AN, has stated that AN would be a better choice on the Syd-Lax route than possibly NZ, because of AN's strong (local) brand.

B777's flying peak services between Melbourne & Sydney would also be very interesting! Ansett for a long time has not wanted to provoke QF into a capacity war (because of AN distinct lack of widebody capacity!) on trunk routes, however now with strong owners (SQ), Ansett can afford to take that step!

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RE: Ansett - Set To Fly The B777.

Tue May 02, 2000 8:58 am

Odd, I would have thought AN would take the SQ A340's---maybe these will go to Virgin instead?
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RE: Ansett - Set To Fly The B777.

Tue May 02, 2000 9:05 am

SIA isn't set to receive another 777-200ER until Feb 01 so where are these birds going to come from? Their 747-400 fleet will grow though from 2 744s to 6 744s.
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RE: Ansett - Set To Fly The B777.

Tue May 02, 2000 10:27 am

God, it looks as if Airbus is only building this plane to stick its tongue out at Boeing. I think Boeing should counter with an offer for a 747-500!

Aaron G.


Tue May 02, 2000 4:55 pm

SIA will be willing to get rid of 9V-SQA ASAP.SQA gives them lots of troubles and SIA also has a lot of surplus 777's,so SIA might be able to lease some 777's out.
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Tue May 02, 2000 5:19 pm

What's wrong with 9V-SQA?

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RE: Ansett - Set To Fly The B777.

Tue May 02, 2000 5:21 pm

This will also affect what Air New Zealand intends to do in my view. They do not appear to be going for the 777 at the moment but that could change. Air New Zealand has always been Boeing and personally I cant see them going for Airbus. But Singapore may have other ideas for both Ansett and Air New Zealand so we shall have to wait and see.
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RE: Ansett - Set To Fly The B777.

Thu May 04, 2000 3:51 pm

All I can say is that AN getting 777s is possible, but take a pinch of salt with everything you hear - people have been speculating for years.

To have 777s on MEL-SYD services would represent a sizeable jump in capacity - too much IMHO. There is no forseeable growth nor demand at the moment to facilitate such a move. MEL-SYD, while a high capacity route, is ruled by frequency. 777s represent a very large jump over 762 capacity.

It may be nice to have 777s, but remember that they may not make economic sense on MEL-SYD. The aircraft at the moment, which makes most sense for AN Domestic routes (widebody), ironically is the 767, 200 or 300.

Airbus doesn't have a suitable alternative (332 is too heavy and too big - not optimal for short hop routes. plus it brings operational problems at YSSY; gates)


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RE: Ansett - Set To Fly The B777.

Thu May 04, 2000 4:16 pm

Oh, the things you read!!!

The Ansett brand is much stronger in a much bigger market than that operated by NZ. Survey have even shown that most people would prefer to fly AN over QF to LAX if they had the opportunity.

As for the B777's?????

Flights between SYD-MEL would cost a packet with B777's. Even the B767-300 is quite expensive compared to narrowbody aircraft. Also, there are not many opportunities in Asia at the moment for expansion either (landing rights and lack of growth).

I think this article may be a piece of very creative writing.


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