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Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:42 am

Ok I know there is a B747 full load of topics about the AF crash/accident/incident but I think we should call every media outlet around the world and tell them that we(www.airliners.net) exist. Why you ask, well the answer is simple: SO THE IDIOTS WILL GET THEIR NEWS CORRECT FIRST TIME ROUND! I'm sorry if that offends anybody but it's true that the media got most of their stories wrong because they didn't do their research, if they knew we were here then all they have to do is come here and within minutes they have all their info.
Remember when the first flight of the A380 took place and all the mistakes the media made.

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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:46 am

It won't help, they are hopeless Big grin
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:46 am

To its credit, the BBC got an aviation expert from Flight International on. I have seem him many times when new airliners are launched or accidents happen. His name is David something if memory serves me correctly.
 
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:49 am

You also have to remember that correct news, doesn't necessarily sell newspapers etc..... The media will always make certain aspects up to grab attention to their reports over anyone elses.

Nice thought though......
 
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:51 am

If they all got their news from here, they would have been horrified to hear all the passengers were reduced to burning debris because nobody could have survived that.
 
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:51 am

Quoting Grimey (Thread starter):
SO THE IDIOTS WILL GET THEIR NEWS CORRECT FIRST TIME ROUND!

I will give you a pass because you live in Europe... and you still have a somewhat respectable press.

Here in the US of A FACTS DON'T MATTER TO THE MEDIA!!! Did you notice in the AF thread how quickly our American "journalists" threw out the T-word (yes, that's right, terrorism) even though this was clearly an aviation accident.

Unless it has to do with Jennifer Annison, Bradd Pit, or abducted children of the wealthy, the US media would rather trump sensationalism and speculation to sell ad space than to actually spend a few minutes to check their facts.
 
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:52 am

B744F -
For once, I have to agree with you. I thought the crash appeared unsurvivable and held my skepticism until I heard the reports of all souls safe on the 11 PM news.


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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:53 am

Quoting Planesailing (Reply 2):
To its credit, the BBC got an aviation expert from Flight International on. I have seem him many times when new airliners are launched or accidents happen. His name is David something if memory serves me correctly.

Ok I have to agree with that I found the BBC much better then the rest.

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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:54 am

Quoting SRT75 (Reply 5):
Here in the US of A FACTS DON'T MATTER TO THE MEDIA!!! Did you notice in the AF thread how quickly our American "journalists" threw out the T-word (yes, that's right, terrorism) even though this was clearly an aviation accident.

The Canadian journalists questioned this at the press conference today. Soon all car accidents will be the cause of terrorists aswell!!
 
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:55 am

The problem was that there was no timeline. If you happened to see the burnt out cabin only before reading any stories, you could be forgiven for the mistake. Thankfully it was some minutes before the cabin went up.
 
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:00 am

You need to get a life, the media gets the story on air as soon as possible. No one cares if they mess a little something up. If they call the A340 a 737 or if they say that a plane only uses brakes to stop or if they say the damn thing came from the moon it doesn't matter. They were able to get the story out fast and for the most part got the point across. Do you think anyone cares that this was an A340-300? NO!
I also find it funny that you think that the media needs to come here for expert information. Do you think that you are an expert?!?!?! I can assure you that if any of the networks want an expert they can make a phone call and have someone on air that will know much more than what you can provide. A simple call to Airbus would have someone on camera within an hour, the same can be said for any other company....

Give me a break......
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:01 am

Um, honestly I don't find the information here about incidents like this any more informative.

Nobody here really has ANY idea what happened.

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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:02 am

While you're at it, tell Hollywood too! I'm tired of watching horrendous depictions of anything aviation related and the botching of simple facts.

Since when does anyone rely on the news anyhow?  Smile
 
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:07 am

On Sunday, a Fox News TV presenter kept referring to England as "London." He'd say stuff like, "Police have arrested a man in Manchester in northern London." He did this crap for half an hour. I finally called the Fox News newsroom and told them about it. I said, "Your on-air news guy needs a geography lesson," and explained why. I could hear the presenter speaking in the background. The woman on the phone paused to listen to him and he did twice again. Within a couple of minutes, the presenter started using the term "England" correctly...each time with emphasis.

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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:08 am

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 10):
Do you think that you are an expert?!?!?!

No I don't, but there are people on this website that are.

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 10):
A simple call to Airbus would have someone on camera within an hour, the same can be said for any other company....

yeh while they answer to the other news stations around the world. I just made a suggestion that the media should look here or other sites for information, I found out the reg number of that plane before Sky News could confirm it was and A340. As I mentioned in the tread starter; the media got things wrong on the first flight of the A380.

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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:11 am

I burst out laughing when cnn were talking to one person who had heard from a pax on the Plane

sorta went

"I heard from her, she was in first class"

"So she wasat the back of the plane then"

"Yea"

First class????? Since when has that EVER EVER EVER been at the back of a commercial airliner these days
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:14 am

Quoting Trekster (Reply 15):
burst out laughing when cnn were talking to one person who had heard from a pax on the Plane

sorta went

"I heard from her, she was in first class"

"So she wasat the back of the plane then"

"Yea"

First class????? Since when has that EVER EVER EVER been at the back of a commercial airliner these days

Obviously looking for sensationalism since the rear was on fire first. Also I'm pretty sure this 343 had no First at all.

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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:16 am

Quoting Aussieindc (Reply 9):
The problem was that there was no timeline. If you happened to see the burnt out cabin only before reading any stories, you could be forgiven for the mistake. Thankfully it was some minutes before the cabin went up.

Surely common sense would prevail. If it was in small peices in the middle of a random field, then I guess you would consider it a possible act of terrorism. BUT the plane was in a ravine at the edge of the airport boundary.

Most fires on aircraft are caused by malfunction of parts rather than the detonation of an incendary device.

Do either of these look like bombs?


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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:20 am

KSTP-TV from Minneapolis still shows a certain piece of stock footage of MSP. It shows a bunch of NW 727's and a couple of DC10-40's. Then a Vanguard 732 rolls by in the background.

Ummm... You'd think they could get someone out there to film some newer footage on a slow news day.

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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:20 am

Screw the media, they seem to make a point of grabbing the first yokel idiot for an opinion, anyway. If they wanna be wrong they can be wrong.
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:21 am

So slider, when someone is watching a movie and they show the outside of a 727 and the inside of a widebody it ruins the movie for you? Again you need to get a life, 99.99% of people don't care.... No one goes to the movies to see if the information on the aircraft used is correct...
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:32 am

Not every news organization is that sloppy with their reporting.

ABCNews, for example, has retained retired Alaska Airlines Captain John Nance, who lives here in the Seattle area, as their aviation expert. As an ex 737 and MD80 driver, he has lived aviation for more years than most of us have been around. He described in quite some detail the dangers involved in landing in extreme t-storm conditions (shear, water on runways, etc) and the dangers involved in doing so. He never speculated ONCE about what happened, he stated that it will be interesting to see what the pilots have to say and the information from the CVR/FDR will reveal to come to a real conclusion about what happened.

He also went on to compliment the Air France crew on an excellent job of getting everyone out without a fatality. It is rare to have an accident of this magnitude and not have fatalities, and it was through the efforts of the Air France crew and their procedures that they got everyone out and safely away from the aircraft.

I felt his comments were right on and that ABCNews did a very forthright job of reporting what happened, getting comments from people on board and from witnesses to the accident, as well as their aviation specialist providing the detail of the relative issues involved in landing in such conditions, and reassuring the public that one solid reason why the people survived was that the crew did their jobs in getting everyone out, and apparently, the passengers also knew what to do. It just reminds me of every flight I've ever taken, where the flight attendant gives the safety demonstration that noone pays attention to?

Just so you know, I do a safety check every time I board an aircraft: Where the two exits are, how many seatbacks from the front, how many seatbacks from the rear. I write it on a card and put it in my pocket. I also carry air tight safety goggles and a dusk mask. In a smoke filled cabin, the goggles let me see, the dusk mask buy me an extra minute or so to get out of the aircraft. You may think its overkill, but hey, I've been a couple of close calls, so forgive me if I'm a little bit overboard on my thinking about my personal safety.

Let's just hope that we don't have another "incident" anytime soon.

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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:37 am

Quoting Aussieindc (Reply 3):
You also have to remember that correct news, doesn't necessarily sell newspapers etc..... The media will always make certain aspects up to grab attention to their reports over anyone elses.

I agree with you completly. I think people would be much more interested if 747 carrying 600 people crashed, rather than a CRJ  Smile. The media really does have to do their homework, regarding many different topics.
 
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:39 am

Quoting Baw716 (Reply 21):
Let's just hope that we don't have another "incident" anytime soon.

Its the summer holiday season, and invariably there always seems to be several incidents at this time of year.
 
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:45 am

Quoting Planesailing (Reply 2):
To its credit, the BBC got an aviation expert from Flight International on. I have seem him many times when new airliners are launched or accidents happen. His name is David something if memory serves me correctly.

That's David Learmont. He used to be editor of Flight. I don't know if he still has that role, but yes, he's often on British TV when there's any aviation related news.
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:53 am

Quoting Planesailing (Reply 17):
Quoting Aussieindc (Reply 9):
The problem was that there was no timeline. If you happened to see the burnt out cabin only before reading any stories, you could be forgiven for the mistake. Thankfully it was some minutes before the cabin went up.

Surely common sense would prevail. If it was in small peices in the middle of a random field, then I guess you would consider it a possible act of terrorism. BUT the plane was in a ravine at the edge of the airport boundary.

Most fires on aircraft are caused by malfunction of parts rather than the detonation of an incendary device.

Do either of these look like bombs?

Was this in response to my comment? If so, I was talking about people thinking that there would have been fatalities, not about any bombs.... I'm sorry if I wasn't clear initially..... I should have used the quote system a little better!
 
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:56 am

Quoting Aussieindc (Reply 25):
Was this in response to my comment? If so, I was talking about people thinking that there would have been fatalities, not about any bombs.... I'm sorry if I wasn't clear initially..... I should have used the quote system a little better!

It was, as I believed you were replying to me about the questions of terrorist activities by the media.

I presume you were replying to:

Quote:
For once, I have to agree with you. I thought the crash appeared unsurvivable and held my skepticism until I heard the reports of all souls safe on the 11 PM news.
 
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:59 am

Quoting Planesailing (Reply 26):
I presume you were replying to:

Quote:
For once, I have to agree with you. I thought the crash appeared unsurvivable and held my skepticism until I heard the reports of all souls safe on the 11 PM news.

Correct... Apologies for leaving it open to interpretation. lesson learnt...
 
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:01 am

Quoting Aussieindc (Reply 27):
Correct... Apologies for leaving it open to interpretation. lesson learnt...

No need! If it was not for myself an another person jumping in, the thread would have lined up nicely and made sense!!
 
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:08 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 11):
Nobody here really has ANY idea what happened.

I know what happened. The landing distance calculations don't take into account the extra mass of dirt & grime that all Air France planes carry!
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:14 am

All I know is that I'm tired of hearing that every type of airliner is a "JumboJet" as we heard in LA yesterday from every news station. I'm actually quite surprised they eventually got the aircraft type right.

BTW, this is my first post!  Smile
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:20 am

Quoting Baw716 (Reply 21):
ABCNews, for example, has retained retired Alaska Airlines Captain John Nance, who lives here in the Seattle area, as their aviation expert

That would not be the same John J Nance who writes books that im addicted to would it?????

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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:24 am

It is pretty sad to see the mistakes that the emdi makes. But what's even sadder is that they may be making the same mistakes when covering the war in Iraq, politics, economics, etc... and we would never know (albeit someone would).
 
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:26 am

Trekster,
Yes, one and the same John Nance. He started writing books before he retired flying and now that he met the mandatory age a few years ago, he has been writing even more ever since. Nice guy.

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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:33 am

In split-second reporting, as others have maintained, factual accuracy really isn't a priority unfortunately. And to that end, for a time the subject line on the "primary" thread running on a.net yesterday about the accident was edited to specifically state that there were fatalaties even though, as we all know by now, there weren't. Media does it for viewers; a.net does it for hits. It's as simple as that.

On the other hand, however, I do know that media staff do peruse industry-specific forums to get the inside scoop on things, and due to the rising popularity of blogs and other public information posting methods, this is likely to simply increase. I'm convinced that the media comes to this very site to get a scoop on aviation, but it'll never be the first place they go if (and God forbid when) an incident like this happens again.

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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:25 am

I DID tell the media. After their travesty of a 5:30 newscast, I emailed WWMT (Channel 3, Kalamazoo, MI) and told them that it was NOT a 737 with 200 passengers on board (didn't bother to explain the hilarity of that...didn't figure anyone would care), but it was an A343.

On the 6:00 news, they said A343.
 
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:06 am

The Ellington AFB fighter jets (forgotten squadron number) were deployed to Iraq last night. A World MD-11 was chartered from EFD to take them to their destination, the news reporter called it a 757 and showed it taxiing away. More news channels and networks need aviation correspondents so they can get aircraft information correct when things such as the AF crash or a news story about aviation is aired.
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:39 am

I was driving to a friend's place in St Paul when the news of the crash broke (or rather when the local yokel DJ's felt like mentioning it). Anyways, it was the first that I heard of it and I was frustrated to say the least that an hour after it happened, that all of these dumb ass DJs had to say was that a '737' crashed into a ravine and there were no casualties. As they were giving out this piecemeal information there was the requisite mindless banter/chatter that idiotic DJs take a great deal of pride in nowadays (Man, I need to go to satellite Radio), I was screaming at the radio for an identification of the carrier and where it happened. Suffice it to say, none of the other local stations made any attempt to mention this breaking story. It was not until I arrived at my friend's place switched on CNN that I found out what actually happened.

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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:00 pm

This whole thread is based on the idea that anyone here would get it right immediately out of the gate. Shall we go back through history and count how many incorrect statments, predictions, and assumptions there have been here? How many time have people said that USAir would be in bankruptcy by XX date, or a merger or sale was a done deal. Lets not forget the Pinnicle crash and how many incorrect theories were floating around here about the cause of that. If you tell the media anything, tell them to run from airliners.net.
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:25 pm

The press coming here for information? With all the bashing going on if someone reports a little problem with an airline? Come on, give me a break!
 
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:47 pm

The Media should recruit persons covering Aviation related stories who are Familiar with Aviation or who have Experienced work in Aviation in the past.Else the reports get quite Amusing & everyone waits for the Official statement release to be sure.
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:00 pm

I really loved when ABC said A "Jumbo" had crashed on the start of the 6pm news. I wish they could just try to get some obvious facts correct and get people who know what they are talking on air right away so they don't look like idiots to the trained aviator.
 
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:07 pm

Quoting Grimey (Thread starter):
if they knew we were here then all they have to do is come here and within minutes they have all their info.
Remember when the first flight of the A380 took place and all the mistakes the media made

There's a lot of good information from respected people here but there is just as easily as much information from 14 year old airline enthusiasts here and I can't say that they would be of much help to the news. I don't find information here any more useful than what I hear on the news really.
 
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:22 pm

Quoting Aussieindc (Reply 3):
You also have to remember that correct news, doesn't necessarily sell newspapers etc..... The media will always make certain aspects up to grab attention to their reports over anyone elses.

Like for example What the Hell is a LH 737 doing at YYZ!??
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:25 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 40):
The Media should recruit persons covering Aviation related stories who are Familiar with Aviation or who have Experienced work in Aviation in the past.Else the reports get quite Amusing & everyone waits for the Official statement release to be sure.

Hey Mel... do you now have a bet on crazy capitalization in addition to the question marks (or lack thereof)?  Wink

Just wondering!
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:38 pm

i'm not here to flame or envoke flaming, i'm just here to give a behind the scenes aspect to some comments made. that's all. nothing i can personally do.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 18):
Ummm... You'd think they could get someone out there to film some newer footage on a slow news day.

one word: unions

Quoting TrappedInMKG (Reply 35):
I DID tell the media. After their travesty of a 5:30 newscast, I emailed WWMT (Channel 3, Kalamazoo, MI) and told them that it was NOT a 737 with 200 passengers on board (didn't bother to explain the hilarity of that...didn't figure anyone would care), but it was an A343.

if the news is out of town, then the station often has to rely on what comes across on the wires. that means an official, could have been airport official, or someone not in the media got it wrong. if they were across the field and they just saw one engine from a distance, they could say "737 crashed at Toronto airport." sometimes the first messages of breaking news are just nothing more than 6 or 7 words such as what i just wrote for you. that may be where the mistake came from.

Quoting Grimey (Thread starter):
but I think we should call every media outlet around the world and tell them that we(www.airliners.net) exist

no offense, but airliners.net is a message board and would not be quoted as an official source of fact provider.

Quoting Aussieindc (Reply 3):
The media will always make certain aspects up to grab attention to their reports over anyone elses.

hard to argue when cameras are being shoved in passengers faces and the passengers are the ones making most of the commentary.

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 10):
Do you think anyone cares that this was an A340-300? NO!

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Quoting Baw716 (Reply 21):
ABCNews

i like ABC news. i think they are one of the better news agencies out there.

Quoting PDXtriple7 (Reply 41):
I really loved when ABC said A "Jumbo" had crashed on the start of the 6pm news. I wish they could just try to get some obvious facts correct and get people who know what they are talking on air right away so they don't look like idiots to the trained aviator.

like what obvious facts? it was a jumbo jet.

and whom do you want them to get on the air? and how do you wish for them to instantly appear?
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:39 pm

Guys, let's give the media a break! yesterday they were not experts, but they did their info straight not too long after the accident happened. And it was because of the media that we were able to know more about the accident. They were the ones that showed the images and people that are experts on aviation (many of you guys) were able to, let's say, optimize the information. Without the media we would not have know anything for many more hours! Besides, we have to consider that most journalists have no idea about aviation, and therefore make mistakes that to us seem silly, but they try to do their best anyway. What I did not like about some media reports was the use of a.net pics unauthorised!
just my .02 here!
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:51 pm

Quoting Aussieindc (Reply 3):
The media will always make certain aspects up to grab attention to their reports over anyone elses.

yes....but I took a journalism class and facts are the #1 priority, unless your the national enquirer.

I agree that more channels should have aviation reporters...however I do not agree about getting the facts straight at first. CNN, FOX, ABC get their new from the wires, so whatever they get is what they report...as more information comes in, they can do a little more research though, I think. And to all who think its the news anchors fault...they're just reading a telepromter folks...they are reading what a writer who supposedly did his research wrote. One of the things I fear if/when I become a journalist. Do I read the cue card when I know its false or do I tell the truth.
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ikramerica
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:36 pm

Quoting FLAIRPORT (Reply 47):
CNN, FOX, ABC get their new from the wires, so whatever they get is what they report...

This is not journalism, and it is lazy. If you rehash what comes over the wire without ever checking validity you open yourself up to manipulation and errors.

They could have easily checked on what type of aircraft land at Toronto from LH and AF, and known the wire was wrong. Also, they could have checked flight times and known that it likely wasn't LH at all, and at least known enough from that 1-2 minutes of fact checking to see they need to call someone to verify the information!

Otherwise, why do all these networks exist? Why don't we just have one person with a great voice and a nice body reading what comes across the wire directly like a robot? Why do we have all these so called journalists with their so called education and ethics and integrity and all that other garbage that has rarely existed in the media?
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
 
baw716
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RE: Shall We Tell The Media?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:41 pm

Now, having said what I have said before, there is one other aspect of the media that must be addressed: from the airline side.

Having had responsibility for on site crash response for Alitalia in San Francisco (part of my duties as Area Manager), one of the critical actions that must be taken is how to deal with the press with regard to the accident.

The press can be very sensitive and some of them can be down right pigs. Ruthless to the core. Especially the ones who fake being a family member to interview family members as they await word of their family members fate. I remember this happening to one airline (who will remain nameless) who lost an aircraft in the late 1980s. Some members of the press were actually able to sneak into the holding area passing as family members until they were caught by the airline personnel and escorted out of the area and, as I recall, arrested by the airport police.

The press can run the gambit from telling factual information to making things up to sensationalize their story. Oh and everyone HAS to scoop the other. Someone has to get new information first, which is why there is this need to crawl under rocks and sneak around places they have no business being just to get a morsel of information about things ongoing.

Thankfully, we never had anykind of accident during my tenure at SFO, or at anytime on my route. We did have one AZ Express accident during my tenure; however no local SFO passengers were on the flight. We were able to confirm that before I started getting calls from the local area press at 9:01am.
Of course, I got to shove them off to my friend and colleague in the press office in NYC, she was 30 years able to deal with the press....she had them eating out of her hand and if they pissed her off, let's say they got their hat handed to them more than once.

In an incident, any incident, it is critical to keep the passengers and their families away from the press, period. Once they have been medically treated and cleared by the local authorities, arrangements made by the airline for accommodations and/or onward transportation and expenses and finally interviewed by the aviation authorities, then they are released to talk to whomever they like.

As a rule, we keep the press cordoned off in an area well away from where the action is taking place, so that we can brief them on a regular basis and take questions (if desired and appropriate) from them there. Under no circumstances do we allow them access to the passengers until the screening process by the authorities is complete and we have made arrangements for them and assigned a airline representative to be their liason until all logistical matters are settled (finalizing transportation, luggage and clothing replacement,etc).

Each airline has their own process which is quite clearly defined and kept up to date. To what degree they drill them is anyone's question; however I can tell you that between my station manager and I, we drilled the airport and the local sales staff at least twice per year on local accident procedures, including deployment of resources coordinated with the airport authorities. We actually got a commendation letter from the airport stating that we were the only airline at SFO that actually drilled emergency procedures more than once every two years. At twice per year, we knew everything backwards and forwards and as such we were able to know what the airport procedures were and they knew what our procedures were, so that when we had an occasional amber alert (aircraft landing with mechanical problem, or extreme medical emergency), everyone was coordinated to respond in an efficient and effective manner. Including, where and how to deal with the PRESS!!!!!

Just a few thoughts from the airline perspective. My colleagues at AF have done a great job managing the passenger process; unfortunately, it is impossible to control the press. Se le vie.

baw716
fmr Area Manager Northern California
Alitalia SFOUVAZ
1998-2002
David L. Lamb, fmr Area Mgr Alitalia SFO 1998-2002, fmr Regional Analyst SFO-UAL 1992-1998