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Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:27 pm

supposedly flight 1195 there was some sort of ruckus, any UA people have the story?
 
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:02 pm

considering you can't physically open a door in a pressurized cabin during flight without mechanical assistance, all it could have been was a "ruckus" anyway. no real danger, no?
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:51 pm

Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
ou can't physically open a door in a pressurized cabin during flight without mechanical assistance

I know that and you know that. However, I'm willing to bet at least 80% of the people on that plane have no idea and probably some people got very disturbed by the fact that someone attempted to open the door.
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:56 pm

well my dad was in a helicopter over new york when a freaked out pax did open the emergency door. it fell off and hit a taxi on the roof. the copter landed safely, and the poor freaked out man was arrested. even then, the pax on the copter weren't in any danger unless they took off their belts.

but that was only at a few hundred feet after taking off and in an unpressurized cabin.
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:02 pm

Do you know why she was trying to open the door. Scared of flying maybe.
 
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:17 pm

I bet she got in a huff with a FA and said "That's it I'm getting off"  irked 

Seriously though, I was on a Loganair Saab 340 from Shetland to Edinburgh 5 years ago when a male passenger stood up grasping his chest and started grabbing for an over wing exit. We were near Orkney at the time at around 15k feet, some passengers grabbed him in panic then thought he was having a heart attack. The stewardess asked if a doctor was on the plane, as I was a first aider, (they teach you well in the Air Force), I got him in the back seat row, calmed him down and found out he was having an anxiety attack. We made an emergency diversion to Kirkwall in the Orkneys just in case, but that's another story.
 
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:17 pm

Maybe a Suicide attempt?

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):

I know that without Mechanical assistance you cannot open an a/c door in flight.

The B747 has hand operated doors but the B767 and DC-10 have electronic operated doors. If there weren't any bolts holding the B767 and DC-10 doors from opening in flight would that mean that they could open as they have mechanical assistance?

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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:54 pm

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 6):
Maybe a Suicide attempt?

Wonder why would she would want to take the whole flight down too. If you want to kill yourself don't do it and if you do don't other with you.
 
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:01 pm

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 7):

Well, there have been pilots that have taken a whole B767 down to commit suicide.

I think it was an Egypt Air or El Al B767 over Atlantic.

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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:19 pm

Every now and again I hear these stories of people trying to open the doors, and it's often because they are seriously too stupid and think that it is a bathroom.
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:27 pm

Quoting BigPhilNYC (Reply 9):

haha,

Come on, how many people think a door with a window showing the clouds go by is a Bathroom?

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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:43 pm

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 8):
I think it was an Egypt Air or El Al B767 over Atlantic.

It was an Egyptair 767 a few years ago, not El Al.
 
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:56 pm

Any link.
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:40 pm

Bi Polar party of one please ?

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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:42 pm

Quoting FlyGuyClt (Reply 13):
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:50 pm

Here's the story from MSNBC:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8820856
 
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:56 pm

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 6):
If there weren't any bolts holding the B767 and DC-10 doors from opening in flight would that mean that they could open as they have mechanical assistance?

No, as far as I know, they are still "plug" type doors.
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Fri Aug 05, 2005 2:51 am

CNN reported the story this morning and it is in their web site.
They said that "....She failed but did manage to turn the handle far enough that a warning light went on in the cockpit" .
However they never mentioned that it would be impossible to actually open the door leaving many people thinking, I am sure, that it is possible to open a door in flight. I didn't think that turning the handle was even possible. Is it? I thought that the handles were secured once that the doors were secured by the crew befor take off.
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Fri Aug 05, 2005 2:52 am

They were at 4,000 feet, so this was very dangerous.
 
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Fri Aug 05, 2005 2:57 am

4000 feet doesn't create too much of a pressure differential...
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:04 am

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 4):
Do you know why she was trying to open the door. Scared of flying maybe.

Maybe she thought she spotted a squirrel at 30,000 feet and wanted it to come in out of the cold.  Smile
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:16 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
you can't physically open a door in a pressurized cabin during flight without mechanical assistance

By the way, how did that D.L. Somebody-or-other open the door on that 727 back in the 70s (the guy who jumped out with all that cash)?
 
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:20 am

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 21):
By the way, how did that D.L. Somebody-or-other open the door on that 727 back in the 70s (the guy who jumped out with all that cash)?

Don't remember the make of jet but it was one where the back door opened out with stairs. There is a system in place now to keep anyone from opening it in flight.
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:27 am

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 21):
By the way, how did that D.L. Somebody-or-other open the door on that 727 back in the 70s (the guy who jumped out with all that cash)?

Yep, he knew what he was doing. The only door you can open in flight like that is the rear stair on the 727 DC9, etc. It is not a plug style door, but a "drawbridge" style and would actually want to open very much given a chance.

Even at 4000 feet, with the already pressurized cabin and the vacuum effect of traveling at 200+ mph, opening the plug style door manually would have been very close to impossible for a woman, and even then, it probably wouldn't have posed much danger to the pax, as they were all strapped in and non-pressurized vehicles travel with open portals at 4000 feet all the time.
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:48 am

Yes, but the 727 airstairs are in an unpressurised area (the tail cone is not pressurized). The big door in the rear pressure bulkhead is a plug type door. You will never get it open without a hydraulic jack.

And for the 767 and DC-10 / MD-11, all the motor / counterweight mechanism does is to help to lift the door upwards. The door is a plug type door as well. On the MD-11 the lift motor will lift the appr. 200 kg door, but it will not be able to pull it in against 10 tons of air pressure.
On the 767 the door is simply lifted by a huge spring, which balances the weight of the door.

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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Fri Aug 05, 2005 4:58 am

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 21):
By the way, how did that D.L. Somebody-or-other open the door on that 727 back in the 70s (the guy who jumped out with all that cash)?

That would be D.B. Cooper. After that there was an adjustment made to the airstairs to prevent them from being opened in flight. The part was dubbed "the Cooper latch."
 
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Fri Aug 05, 2005 5:38 am

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 21):
By the way, how did that D.L. Somebody-or-other open the door on that 727 back in the 70s (the guy who jumped out with all that cash)?

That would be D.B. Cooper, NW 727, jumped out over Oregon after the plane left Seattle with the Ca$h he demanded. I do not believe that any pax. were on board, it is my understanding that they were released in SEA when the money was exchanged.

The money and presumable body of D.B. Cooper has never been recovered.
 
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Fri Aug 05, 2005 5:45 am

Well, I have a story that relates to this. My dad told me awhile back that they were taxing for take-off when a warning light came on that an overwing exit was opened. Apparently, an elderly man was sitting in the exit row and after the F/A asked if he was willing to help in case of an emerceny, he decided to test out the door and see if he can do it. Unfortunately, you can't just put the the exit door back on, so they had to cancel the flight.

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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Fri Aug 05, 2005 5:51 am

Aren't the doors like locked or something? Like before takeoff the captain is like "flight attendants arm doors for takeoff"? Or are they talking about the slides or something like that?
 
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Fri Aug 05, 2005 5:56 am

Quote: Meryl getline:

Flight attendants have to "arm" doors for departure — which means they attach each door to an escape slide.

If an emergency occurs while the plane is still on the ground and a door is opened, the slide automatically deploys


Never mind...

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/colum...e/2004-11-01-ask-the-captain_x.htm

...but still- doors should be locked or something! People in general are stupid... and kids on planes walk around all the time trying to open the doors. What's the safety procaution against this?
 
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Fri Aug 05, 2005 6:06 am

Quoting UAalltheway (Reply 28):
Or are they talking about the slides or something like that?

I thought they were referring to the slides but I could be wrong!

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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Fri Aug 05, 2005 6:35 am

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 27):
Well, I have a story that relates to this. My dad told me awhile back that they were taxing for take-off when a warning light came on that an overwing exit was opened. Apparently, an elderly man was sitting in the exit row and after the F/A asked if he was willing to help in case of an emerceny, he decided to test out the door and see if he can do it. Unfortunately, you can't just put the the exit door back on, so they had to cancel the flight.

There was a case of a New York Air MD-80 that took off out of LGA. The Aft Galley Service door was armed (just a girt bar) and showed closed to the flight deck, but that was not the case. The door did not open but the flight did return to LGA, it was later determined that the caterer had not closed the door completely!

Also, the DC-9 doors were notorious (from what I remember) we would see light clearly through the Main Cabin Door, and only after we started to gain altitude and pressurize did it actually seal.....really Scared the newbies!
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Fri Aug 05, 2005 6:43 am

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 27):
Unfortunately, you can't just put the the exit door back on,

I seem to remember a photo a couple of months ago of two pilots standing on a Mad Dog wing looking for ice. You could see the emergency exit door sitting on the armrests of seats in the EE row. I honestly don't know, but why would they get on the wing thru the door if they couldn't just close it after they were done on the wing???

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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:59 am

A more entertaining aspect to this flap is the behavior of the surrounding passengers. You've got two options: (1) get up and grab her, and drag her away from the door. (2) make sure your seat belt is VERY tightly fastened and wait for the decompression (the "problem" will be the first body sucked out the door -- problem solved). As I understand the initial reports, the folks around her wisely selected Option #2. Naturally the media interpret this as cowardice.
 
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:12 am

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 7):
Wonder why would she would want to take the whole flight down too. If you want to kill yourself don't do it and if you do don't other with you.

I believe that this is the same thinking the guys in the FBI and NTSB had when they tried to crack the case of Egypt Air B767 crash. Sometimes people are doing things that make no sense.


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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:21 am

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 10):
Quoting BigPhilNYC (Reply 9):


haha,

Come on, how many people think a door with a window showing the clouds go by is a Bathroom?

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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Fri Aug 05, 2005 10:31 am

HA! BigPhilNYC, you are so funny. Thinking the door is bathroom with window? Laughing!! You funny!! Anyway, I enjoy your comment !

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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Fri Aug 05, 2005 11:35 am

Maybe she was told to go outside to smoke that cigarette...  hissyfit 
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:38 pm

Quoting Tgocean (Reply 33):
make sure your seat belt is VERY tightly fastened

For sure! There was a National Airlines DC-10 in 1973 where a passenger was blown out of the plane after an uncontained engine failure. He had his seatbelt fastened loosely & went out the window. The real kicker is that the engine failed because the captain & FE were conducting an impromptu experiment, trying to determine how the autothrottle worked (they pulled all the breakers for the N1 tachs).
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:57 pm

Quoting Navairjax (Reply 25):
The part was dubbed "the Cooper latch."

FWIW, I think it's actually called the Cooper "vane".
 
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:56 am

I tell you what got me about this is that the flight attendant only tried to "persuade" the lady from attempting to open the door. Now, I understand that the cabin is pressurized and that nothing would really happen without a ton of force, but if I was a person sitting on that plane and someone tried to open the door...pressurization or not, their ass is getting nailed to the deck! I was in the ready room this morning at work talking with some other guys about it, since we all saw the news report yesterday, and everyone agreed that she would have been tackled down and restrained without question.

Maybe the flight attendant didn't have the authority to restrain her or something, but you better believe I would as a passenger! Oh well, at least nothing bad came out of it. Cheers!  Big grin
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RE: Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?

Sat Aug 06, 2005 2:07 am

Quoting UAalltheway (Reply 29):
...but still- doors should be locked or something! People in general are stupid... and kids on planes walk around all the time trying to open the doors. What's the safety procaution against this?

The pressure differential does that, the weight against the door is enormous in flight.

On the ground, you need the doors to be easy to open. The last thing you need is a door to be jammed with a stuck lock (in the deadbolt sense of the word) when the plane catches fire and the plane needs to be evacuated.

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