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AC Parent Records C$168 M Q2 Net (US$134 M)

Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:44 pm

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/August2005/04/c7041.html

Note Jazz regional sub to be IPO'd

July load factor was 83.6%
 
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RE: AC Parent Records C$168 M Q2 Net (US$134 M)

Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:45 pm

Profit or Loss? Big grin

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RE: AC Parent Records C$168 M Q2 Net (US$134 M)

Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:32 pm

Great results considering the rising costs of fuel. Should keep getting better - new planes, growing passenger loads, and the start of a fuel hedge program.

Good work AC.
 
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RE: AC Parent Records C$168 M Q2 Net (US$134 M)

Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:40 pm

This represents an operating profit of 7.2%. These results are surprisingly good. Albeit for only 1 quarter of course.

With an 84% load factor, there is not much upward revenue potential though. Hence, AC must continue to reduce costs drastically. Anything that can be done to reduce the still-too-high labour costs should be pursued. AC remains relatively inefficient wrt unit costs.
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RE: AC Parent Records C$168 M Q2 Net (US$134 M)

Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:50 pm

Wow, AC should have an operating profit this year! It has been a while in coming.

Now all they need is a new order of Widebodies.

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RE: AC Parent Records C$168 M Q2 Net (US$134 M)

Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:56 pm

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 3):
With an 84% load factor, there is not much upward revenue potential though. Hence, AC must continue to reduce costs drastically

Agreed with all things being equal that revenue potential could be squeezed, but with the new E-Jets coming online, AC will be growing capacity which should help increase revenue potential going forward.

As AC turns over their workforce, their salary costs should reduce as new hires into the company will either be on the bottom of the pay scale or be on a "B" pay scale.
 
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RE: AC Parent Records C$168 M Q2 Net (US$134 M)

Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:24 am

Is this a profit which includes the sale of aeroplan or is this without the aeroplan money?
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RE: AC Parent Records C$168 M Q2 Net (US$134 M)

Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:55 am

Some comments relating to the 777/787 order. Milton still wants these airplanes. However, he stated that there is no way we'll see a 777 flying in ACs colours in 2006. The May/June deliveries were reallocated to a "european carrier" I presume AF.

Also, in reponse to a question "Is Airbus still in the running for this contract?" Milton mentioned that relating to the 777/787 is not a matter of if, but a matter of when. Looks like they're waiting for the CIRB issue to be resolved.

[Edited 2005-08-04 18:22:50]
 
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RE: AC Parent Records C$168 M Q2 Net (US$134 M)

Fri Aug 05, 2005 1:43 am

Quoting Yeggerman (Reply 6):
Is this a profit which includes the sale of aeroplan or is this without the aeroplan money?

$116mil profit excluding non-recurring items such as sale of Aeroplan.
 
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RE: AC Parent Records C$168 M Q2 Net (US$134 M)

Fri Aug 05, 2005 2:07 am

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 3):
With an 84% load factor, there is not much upward revenue potential though. Hence, AC must continue to reduce costs drastically. Anything that can be done to reduce the still-too-high labour costs should be pursued. AC remains relatively inefficient wrt unit costs.

Agreed. Fuel costs will also be a factor, but if AC can hedge a portion of it, it will help. Over the last couple of years airlines have been hoping that fuel will come down, but it doesn't look like it anymore.
 
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RE: AC Parent Records C$168 M Q2 Net (US$134 M)

Fri Aug 05, 2005 2:27 am

On the call...
They discussed that they lost two 777 slots. They were hopeful to reach an agreement with pilots. Long haul fleet plans: AC isn't looking for used aircraft yet. As rents remain high, AC is hoping that high fuel prices may burst the bubble. AC expects a bankruptcy by other carriers between now an next summer will lead to a bunch of aircraft on the market. AC will wait, hoping for AC lease rates to fall. Expect to see more "North America configured" 763ers and 762ers flying intercontinentally with Air Canada Club class.
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RE: AC Parent Records C$168 M Q2 Net (US$134 M)

Fri Aug 05, 2005 2:58 am

Quoting Cslusarc (Reply 10):
On the call...
They discussed that they lost two 777 slots. They were hopeful to reach an agreement with pilots. Long haul fleet plans: AC isn't looking for used aircraft yet. As rents remain high, AC is hoping that high fuel prices may burst the bubble. AC expects a bankruptcy by other carriers between now an next summer will lead to a bunch of aircraft on the market. AC will wait, hoping for AC lease rates to fall. Expect to see more "North America configured" 763ers and 762ers flying intercontinentally with Air Canada Club clas

According to the ILFC website, Air Canada, is to lease a used A340-300 for a period of 5 years. It seems that the Airbus A340 still has some more years of live in Air Canada's fleet.

http://ilfc.com/press/2005%20Air%20Canada2.htm

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RE: AC Parent Records C$168 M Q2 Net (US$134 M)

Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:18 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 11):
According to the ILFC website, Air Canada, is to lease a used A340-300 for a period of 5 years. It seems that the Airbus A340 still has some more years of live in Air Canada's fleet.

This aircraft was being planned to join the fleet even before the 777/787 order. Along with 3 767-300s and 2 767-200.

The A340 is now flying in the Star Alliance scheme at C-FDRO
 
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RE: AC Parent Records C$168 M Q2 Net (US$134 M)

Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:48 am

Does anybody know what Jazz's operating figures are? Did they make a profit as well?
 
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RE: AC Parent Records C$168 M Q2 Net (US$134 M)

Fri Aug 05, 2005 4:44 am

Wings, AC was discussing additional fleet additions for 2006. I'm thinking that AC wants 2-3 more A343s or A345s (or even A346s) for next summer in addition to perhaps more 767-300ERs.
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RE: AC Parent Records C$168 M Q2 Net (US$134 M)

Fri Aug 05, 2005 5:46 am

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 3):
This represents an operating profit of 7.2%. These results are surprisingly good. Albeit for only 1 quarter of course.

Oh my lord! Yyz717 actually said someing non-degrading about AC!...Somebody get a doctor! something must be wrong!
 
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RE: AC Parent Records C$168 M Q2 Net (US$134 M)

Fri Aug 05, 2005 10:54 pm

Quoting Cslusarc (Reply 14):
I'm thinking that AC wants 2-3 more A343s or A345s (or even A346s)

Wasn't the 346 order cancelled? This is a new aircraft and doesn't AC needs its pilots to accept large new aircraft?

[Edited 2005-08-05 15:55:23]
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RE: AC Parent Records C$168 M Q2 Net (US$134 M)

Fri Aug 05, 2005 11:35 pm

Good news for AC. Now the trick is to do it again and again and again.

Any idea when AC plans to refit the interiors of the older 767s. I fly YOW - LHR frequently and the 767s I've been on recently have interiors that are simply falling apart. Things peeling, rattling, torn fabric, non functioning seats etc. Reminds me a bit of Air Afrique back in the day!! (more so when I'm lucky enough to get a mainly Francophone cabin crew fully equipped with attitude)  biggrin 

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RE: AC Parent Records C$168 M Q2 Net (US$134 M)

Fri Aug 05, 2005 11:43 pm

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 16):
Wasn't the 346 order cancelled? This is a new aircraft and doesn't AC needs its pilots to accept large new aircraft?

The 340 pay and rules are already set in the contract, so ACE can add as many as it wants.
 
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RE: AC Parent Records C$168 M Q2 Net (US$134 M)

Fri Aug 05, 2005 11:45 pm

Quoting YOWza (Reply 17):
Any idea when AC plans to refit the interiors of the older 767s. I fly YOW - LHR frequently and the 767s I've been on recently have interiors that are simply falling apart.

As announced already, refurbishment of the 767 will commence in Oct/Nov of this year. I believe they will start with the 767-300's then the -200's.
 
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RE: AC Parent Records C$168 M Q2 Net (US$134 M)

Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:29 am

Quoting Accargo (Reply 19):
I believe they will start with the 767-300's then the -200's.

I believe the official AC news release specified only the 767-300 were to be refitted with 777-type cabins....
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RE: AC Parent Records C$168 M Q2 Net (US$134 M)

Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:36 am

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 20):
I believe the official AC news release specified only the 767-300 were to be refitted with 777-type cabins....

All acft are to be fitted with the new interiors (new carpet, seat fabric, AVOD) The 767-300 will also get the new J ("lie-flat") seats for overseas operations. The entire 767 fleet will be re-fitted as per our internal info.

I am not sure what exactly you mean with 777-type cabins, but the -200's are going to get an interior overhaul to bring them up to date.
 
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RE: AC Parent Records C$168 M Q2 Net (US$134 M)

Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:50 am

AC 767-300s cabins were to be upgraded to the 777 cabin design - overhead baggage compartments, ceiling, ie...identical to a 777 cabin.
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RE: AC Parent Records C$168 M Q2 Net (US$134 M)

Sun Aug 07, 2005 3:27 am

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 4):
Wow, AC should have an operating profit this year! It has been a while in coming.

This 3rd quarter is going to be tight, especially with all the cancelled flights and $60 crude. Oil should start to gradually fall after Labour Day though not by much and AC should be able to manage a sizeable profit for the year--their first since 2002.
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