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Sun Country Pilot May Not Face Charges

Fri Aug 05, 2005 2:52 am

 
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RE: Sun Country Pilot May Not Face Charges

Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:09 am

"I believe there is no profession in which you use more of your brain at a single time than when you are flying an aircraft," said Dr. Warren Jensen...

Apparently, Mr. Schuster must've missed that memo. In light of all that has happened in recent times with other airlines (no names mentioned), what on earth would possess a pilot to drink so soon before having to fly? I know it's a stressful job, but come on!! It's not like there's a huge market for pilots these days, so to jeopardize a highly-coveted position so unnecessarily just baffles me.

Granted, his level was only just over the legal limit, and one could speculate that he was called in when he was off-duty (as in, not on call). However, I would imagine that such instances are really rare - in that airline employees (especially those who fly) would have sufficient notice of an impending schedule they have to work so that they can curb the amount of liquor consumed, no?
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RE: Sun Country Pilot May Not Face Charges

Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:47 am

Quoting NASBWI (Reply 1):
what on earth would possess a pilot to drink so soon before having to fly?

Alcoholism is a disease; alcohol a drug.

People do stupid things – things they wouldn’t normally do – when drugs are thrown in the equation.
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RE: Sun Country Pilot May Not Face Charges

Fri Aug 05, 2005 4:31 am

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 2):
Alcoholism is a disease

We could go round and round about alcoholism's status as a disease or a very bad habit.

I'm a bleeding-heart liberal who has no tolerance alcoholism...in or out of the cockpit.

Lock him up and throw away the keys.
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RE: Sun Country Pilot May Not Face Charges

Fri Aug 05, 2005 4:40 am

We could go round and round about alcoholism's status as a disease or a very bad habit.

I'm a bleeding-heart liberal who has no tolerance alcoholism...in or out of the cockpit.



Hey Matt... I'm a recovering alcoholic. There's a lot of us out there. Trust me...it's not a bad habit. Do a little research and find out more before jumping to conclusions.

Bad habit? Just like epilepsy, cystic fibrosis, and muscular dystrophy are bad habits?

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MCOtoATL
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RE: Sun Country Pilot May Not Face Charges

Fri Aug 05, 2005 7:37 am

Bad habit? Just like epilepsy, cystic fibrosis, and muscular dystrophy are bad habits?

I don't think anyone suffering from the above-mentioned diseases would be able to get a pilot's license. Alcoholism may be a disease, but there is still no excuse for improper behavior.
 
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RE: Sun Country Pilot May Not Face Charges

Fri Aug 05, 2005 7:44 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 4):
Bad habit? Just like epilepsy, cystic fibrosis, and muscular dystrophy are bad habits?

Mark



Quoting MCOtoATL (Reply 5):
I don't think anyone suffering from the above-mentioned diseases would be able to get a pilot's license. Alcoholism may be a disease, but there is still no excuse for improper behavior.

Very true.. and also, the diseases you mentioned are all something you are born with, things that are beyond human self control to stop. With alcoholism, take the alcohol away, and problem solved. So not quite the same.
 
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RE: Sun Country Pilot May Not Face Charges

Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:31 am

Alcoholism is genetic. In other words, you're born with it. In some people it just sits there waiting for a chance to rear its ugly head. In my case, I never drank until I became a young adult. In retrospect, I was hooked with my first drink. I know many other alcoholics that said the same thing. One drink is too many and a hundred isn't enough.

Take the alcohol away and you end up with a dry drunk. The alcoholic will simply find a substitute for alcohol. That's why I (or anyone in recovery) can't use marijuana, opiates, etc. I'll be hooked on them in the blink of an eye.

Alcoholism is treatable. But the addict has to WANT to get better. That's why there are treatment programs and Alcoholics Anonymous. It requires vigilance and compliance. Let your guard down or become complacent and you're right back to square one.

You probably work with and know recovering alcoholics and don't even know it. That's because they're working their program and functioning in society as normal people. They'll simply decline your offer for a beer after work.

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RE: Sun Country Pilot May Not Face Charges

Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:54 am

First question, is he an alcholic or just drunk.

IMO an alchoholic must not touch drink, period. My understanding is that an alcholic is never cured, just in remission.

IMO, airlines should offer help to people with an alchohol problem. However, they must admit that they have a problem, and want to deal with it. If he either does not want to be cured, or can not stay sober, then he must not fly.

If he is just drunk, then it is a discipinary matter.

In both cases, if you have any doubts, call in sick. A sympathetic response by airlines would reduce the likelihood of pilots trying to hide a hangover. I also think that airlines need to consider staff on frequent stopovers, especially long haul. If you put people in a hotel whose only facility is an all night bar, some will drink too much.
 
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RE: Sun Country Pilot May Not Face Charges

Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:04 am

Exactly, David! That sums it up perfectly!

Not all drunks are alcoholics, but all alcoholics are (or were) drunks.

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