Avioneto
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Aeromexico Incident July 31th @ Mmmx

Fri Aug 05, 2005 10:11 am

Last Sunday I was arriving from ORD to MEX and while taxi to my assigned gate I saw firefighters in action over an Aeromexico 762 engine (XA-TNS), and when I got out my MX A320 I run over the gate 23 where the 762 was parked and I took this picture linked below, is not a good one because all surrounding security personnel just jumped over me when I took my camera over the window. After some days my friend Ricardo M. told me that it was a problem with a fuel pump which started licking fuel over the apron and no fire was reported. Seems AM have to start thinking on 762 replacements... don't u think?

http://img14.imgspot.com/u/05/211/23/762amx.jpg

[Edited 2005-08-05 03:14:30]

[Edited 2005-08-05 03:16:40]
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RE: Aeromexico Incident July 31th @ Mmmx

Fri Aug 05, 2005 10:49 am

"Seems AM have to start thinking on 762 replacements... don't u think?"


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RE: Aeromexico Incident July 31th @ Mmmx

Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:16 pm

Quoting Juventus (Reply 1):
"Seems AM have to start thinking on 762 replacements... don't u think?"

Totally agree!!!!
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RE: Aeromexico Incident July 31th @ Mmmx

Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:22 pm

Actually I was quoting Avioneto, but what the hell, we all three agree.
 
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RE: Aeromexico Incident July 31th @ Mmmx

Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:31 pm

O sorry. But I had to say that I toatally agreed with you.  Smile
 
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RE: Aeromexico Incident July 31th @ Mmmx

Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:42 pm

Oh My God!!! "I almost somewhat vaguely agree with some of what you are vaguely are saying?!?!?!? We should look at that very fuzzy picture and concur that because there are vehicles parked around that plane for whatever reason AM should spend at least millions upon millions of dollars to replace this junk plane that is a flying deathtrap and a biohazard at the same time. The photo says it all. Let's all just jump to lame conclusions.
 
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RE: Aeromexico Incident July 31th @ Mmmx

Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:48 pm

Quoting Notdownnlocked (Reply 5):
Oh My God!!! "I almost somewhat vaguely agree with some of what you are vaguely are saying?!?!?!? We should look at that very fuzzy picture and concur that because there are vehicles parked around that plane for whatever reason AM should spend at least millions upon millions of dollars to replace this junk plane that is a flying deathtrap and a biohazard at the same time. The photo says it all. Let's all just jump to lame conclusions

Wo WO dude. I know the 767-200 is an amazing aircraft but its getting pretty old now. I don't want to start anything here.

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RE: Aeromexico Incident July 31th @ Mmmx

Fri Aug 05, 2005 1:05 pm

Well Star you agreed that because of the fuzzy picture you witnessed and the unsubstantiated opinions of others that this plane needed to be replaced. There are no other ways this plane could be repaired if in fact there was a problem. It's a good thing those that are tasked with repairing and making these decisions don't just rely on a photo and opinions of a few here. Just lay out tens of millions here and there and all would be well. Do you trade in your car because it needs gas or has a flat tire?
 
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RE: Aeromexico Incident July 31th @ Mmmx

Fri Aug 05, 2005 10:29 pm

Notdownlocked. We agree that AM needs to replace its fleet, the fuzzy picture its irrelevant. These are AM's 767 routes and their competition on the same route:

1- MAD AM 767 Iberia, A340-600, A340-300
2- CDG AM 767 AF 747-400, B777
3- GRU AM 767 Varig B777
4- SCL AM 767-200 LAN 767-300 sometimes

If Aeromexico was to open new routes to Europe, their aging 767s would have to compete against the European 747-400s (BA, KLM, LH). I didn't even look at the pic. when I first reply to this topic.
 
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RE: Aeromexico Incident July 31th @ Mmmx

Sat Aug 06, 2005 9:57 am

Quoting Juventus (Reply 3):
Actually I was quoting Avioneto, but what the hell, we all three agree.

You´re no.3

Quoting STARalliance24 (Reply 4):
O sorry. But I had to say that I toatally agreed with you.

Number 4

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RE: Aeromexico Incident July 31th @ Mmmx

Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:25 am

AM REALLY needs to replace it´s 767-200.. Everytime I am in MEX, i notice that that the AM flights going to Europe or South America are delay because of technical problems.. and sometimes it has happened to me, when I fly them..

Also they are being over used.. Someone (who knows better about this than me) please make a comparition of the number of AM 767 flights Vs Number of aircraft.. I just don´t know how can they make all those 767 weekly flights possible, with that number of aircrafts.. (5 I guees)

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RE: Aeromexico Incident July 31th @ Mmmx

Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:41 pm

How old are these B767?
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RE: Aeromexico Incident July 31th @ Mmmx

Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:14 pm

I was working that day at the airport and was at gate 19 when the incident happened. What I heard from my supervisor was that it was a problem with the -fueling truck- and not one of AMX's alleged flying death traps.

From what I gather from my humble observations the past 2 months, AM's 767 flights to europe aren't particularly delayed more often than other airline's long haul flights. Sometimes AF is late, sometimes LH is late, sometimes KL or RG is late..

Replacement for the 762s is probably not coming anytime soon.. it's more than obvious now that the 763 is a poor performer out of MEX. The 777s are already coming, but they can't replace all 762 flights.. the 777 is too big of a plane for flights to SCL for example.
 
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RE: Aeromexico Incident July 31th @ Mmmx

Tue Aug 09, 2005 11:03 am

Let me reiterate my previous question...

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 11):
How old are these B767?
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RE: Aeromexico Incident July 31th @ Mmmx

Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:26 am

AMX 762 are 1990's (XA-TNS,XA-TOJ,XA-JBC,XA-RVZ)
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RE: Aeromexico Incident July 31th @ Mmmx

Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:31 am

Quoting Avioneto (Reply 14):
AMX 762 are 1990's (XA-TNS,XA-TOJ,XA-JBC,XA-RVZ)

At last.

THANKS Avioneto!
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RE: Aeromexico Incident July 31th @ Mmmx

Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:39 am

And here we have one more from last Sunday, August 14th @ MMMX.

Aircraft was arriving to its gate when suddenly a slide in the front dropped just like that!




BTW - The July 31st was a mx issue! A very serious mx issue I must say. Thank god incident was at ground! Fortunately nothing happen minutes before landing or during the flight of its previous flight that day.

It's a fact! B762s at AM's fleet are done! Specially TOJ,TNS,RVZ,JBC as they had several previous operators.


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RE: Aeromexico Incident July 31th @ Mmmx

Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:59 am

Couldn´t we expect a 1990 aircraft to last a bit longer if properly maintained?

I have flown them several times to CDG, no problems though!!

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RE: Aeromexico Incident July 31th @ Mmmx

Thu Aug 18, 2005 6:10 am

Quoting Henpol747 (Reply 17):
Couldn´t we expect a 1990 aircraft to last a bit longer if properly maintained?

Thing is/problem is that those B762s have been everywhere! And mx has been very irregular! Those planes were previously flown by 4 different operators, and every airline has different mx procedures, etc! But AM suffers a lot with them. For instance, the rest of their frames (MD80s/B737s/B757s) have been delivered to them or they've been operated by one or the most two carriers!!! But not 4!!! Anyways, I've also flown AM's B762s and I have no complain!! But AM better take their precautions!!


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RE: Aeromexico Incident July 31th @ Mmmx

Sat Aug 20, 2005 10:35 am

Quoting Avioneto (Thread starter):
...it was a problem with a fuel pump which started licking fuel over the apron

Did it taste good at least?

Just being silly,
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RE: Aeromexico Incident July 31th @ Mmmx

Sat Aug 20, 2005 7:03 pm


Sure looks busy.
Fuel pump from Engine or Hydrant.
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RE: Aeromexico Incident July 31th @ Mmmx

Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:29 am

Opsss somebody forgot to dis-arm the front slide...or got too nervous with the fuel problem...
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