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British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:04 pm

I just saw these good news at mbl.is (Icelandic newspaper online)

British Airways have reported to start it's scheduled flight between London
Gatwick and Keflavik in march 2006.

There will be 5 flights a week starting from the sunday, 26th of march, then on
mondays, wednesdays, fridays, saturdays and sundays and the fares will costs from 200 £.

According to report from BA departure will be from LGW at 07:30 (GMT) and
arrival in Iceland KEF at 09:40 (GMT).

Departure from KEF 10:30 and arrival at London Gatwick at 2:35pm.

Also according to report this new schedule will give Icelanders opportunitie
to connect to the BA network around the world and travel to other 151 BA's destinations in 72 countries.
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:10 pm

Quoting Boegas (Thread starter):
According to report from BA departure will be from LGW at 07:30 (GMT) and arrival in Iceland KEF at 09:40 (GMT).

Departure from KEF 10:30 and arrival at London Gatwick at 2:35pm.

I'm assuming that not all of these times are GMT otherwise it's 2 hours 10 minutes to KEF and 4 hours 5 minutes from KEF.  confused 
 
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:15 pm

BA announced in its Q1 results today that it is launching four new European destinations next year. If Iceland is one, what are the other three?
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:27 pm

that´s interesting because flight-time to Iceland from LHR is 2 hrs 45 min.
But Icelandair gives it whole 3 hrs, but from push-back at KEF until you walk from the plane at LHR, is almost 3 hrs... so..

But London is 1+ GMT during summer, right?
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:29 pm

I would think BA's entry onto Keflavik would perhaps be unwarranted, particualry in Winter. FI already have services from LHR & GLA and in recent years we have had Iceland Express from STN.

Although Iceland has become popular for short breaks and there is some business traffic and Icelanders coming for cheaper shopping than at home, I dont think BA will find it easy to fill their flights. Whats the equipment ? As its from LGW, will it be the 734?
 
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:33 pm

acccording to www.ba.com it's a 737-300

the other new destination ex LGW are Tirana, Izmir and Varna from Spring and Grenoble from this winter
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:36 pm

I was hoping they use 757 for KEF? (or the 777 would be the dream carrier  Smile
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:40 pm

This new service will allow Icelanders to connect to BA's European network out of Gatwick. If Icelanders want to connect to BA's worldwide network, they'd be a lot better off flying with Iceair into Heathrow.
 
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:46 pm

I know. Heathrow have more outgoing BA destinations. But for some reason most Icelanders choose Copenhagen to transfer on long-haul routes, don't ask me why.

But isn't cheaper to travel with BA in one package all the way
(from KEF-LGWand LHR-NRT) instead to take Icelandair to LHR and then make another booking with BA?
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:47 pm

Where on ba.com does it announce these new flights? Nothing in Press Releases.
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:50 pm

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 9):
Nothing in Press Releases.

yes if you to the very bottom of the latest pressrelease about profits. It's mentioned under notes to editors
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:13 pm

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 4):
I dont think BA will find it easy to fill their flights

What makes you say that ? IcelandExpress and Icelandair both do very well from London, so why shouldnt BA ?
 
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:20 pm

no no no, BA will definitely fill their seats onboard. Last weekend I was searching for flights to London, bouth at Icelandair.is and IcelandExpress and there were no seats, everything full-booked.

FI use 757-300 to LHR and usually the plane is full packed and also the IcelandExpress jet, so we really need more seats.
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:20 pm

I am surprised by BA going to Iceland, no particular reason, it just seems out of character for BA to enter a lower-fare route......didnt BA low fare subsidiary GO fly the Iceland route for a couple of summers?
 
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:35 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 13):
I am surprised by BA going to Iceland, no particular reason, it just seems out of character for BA to enter a lower-fare route......didnt BA low fare subsidiary GO fly the Iceland route for a couple of summers

KEF is not a low fare route. The fares are the higher end of the spectrum. Fares for next year are £260 in Euro Traveller for the dates I have selected in ba.com.

The competition on LON to KEF is virtually non existent so airlines can more or less charge what they want.

GO did also fly the route but they deemed it wasted to much time for one particular aircraft. Not very efficient for a loco to have sector lengths of 3+ hours.
 
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:39 pm

Precisely, it's not a low fare route - though the pricing isn't raping the consumer. I went there a few months ago on Icelandair, and the airfare was hardly low fare, but hardly Economy for Business Class prices either.

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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:45 pm

I think the Go Fly STN-KEF route ended because of some disagreement about airport charges, I also think it may have been an overnighter.
 
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:50 pm

I think three carriers will be excess capacity outside the Summer season.
 
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Fri Aug 05, 2005 10:34 pm

I think it doesn't matter if it's summer or winter.... London - Keflavik is always overbooked. Almost 1 Icelander of 20 is "I´m going to London" within every month or "I just came from London", so.... season doesn't matter for this route.
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Fri Aug 05, 2005 10:37 pm

Quoting Richardw (Reply 16):
I also think it may have been an overnighter.

I seem to recall that too.

I think that BA would have been better to have began its flights before Iceland Express started, but hey.
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Fri Aug 05, 2005 11:09 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 13):
I am surprised by BA going to Iceland, no particular reason, it just seems out of character for BA to enter a lower-fare route......didnt BA low fare subsidiary GO fly the Iceland route for a couple of summers?

Go did serve KEF but only in summer due to the high cost of de-icing fluid.

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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Fri Aug 05, 2005 11:14 pm

BA have announced 4 new LGW routes for next Summer:

http://www.britishairways.com/travel...ic/en_gb?source=CF_flightops_en_gb

British Airways has announced the launch of new routes from Gatwick to Tirana (Albania), Izmir (Turkey), Reykjavik (Iceland) and Varna (Bulgaria).
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Fri Aug 05, 2005 11:30 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 13):
I am surprised by BA going to Iceland, no particular reason, it just seems out of character for BA to enter a lower-fare route......didnt BA low fare subsidiary GO fly the Iceland route for a couple of summers

The fares aren;t that cheap considering other flights ineurope around the same duration.

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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:35 am

The schedule offers an appealing (and unique) mid-morning departure to Europe from KEF.
 
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Sat Aug 06, 2005 2:53 am

Quoting Justinpower (Reply 23):
The schedule offers an appealing (and unique) mid-morning departure to Europe from KEF.

GLA has a well timed departure - 11.15 IIRC. No use from London though!
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Sat Aug 06, 2005 4:20 am

Hmm it could also be a great way for Americans to get to Europe! A new gateway... Icelandair lets say via BOS then BA from KEF to LGW and so on if need be. I would definetly try it..something different
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Sat Aug 06, 2005 4:41 am

Quoting Egmcman (Reply 20):
Go did serve KEF but only in summer due to the high cost of de-icing fluid.

egmcman

Will BA be charging a de-icing surcharge to boost there profit margins???

Do airlines pay tax on surcharges, or is it pure profit?
 
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Sat Aug 06, 2005 7:16 am

Quoting MIASkies (Reply 25):
Hmm it could also be a great way for Americans to get to Europe! A new gateway... Icelandair lets say via BOS then BA from KEF to LGW and so on if need be. I would definetly try it..something different

Icelandair already operates a hub in KEF for US<->Europe traffic. A very successful operation, and they allow free stopovers in Iceland.
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Sat Aug 06, 2005 7:20 am

Was so surprised, yet very happy when i read that in the BA NEWS at work today.

Good luck to em i say. Its goin to be tough. But what other British Carrier Fls there (other than tour)????
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Sat Aug 06, 2005 7:37 am

I'm suprised that BA, FR or U2 dont already operate there.

I know beer is expensive there - but why do no LCC's already ply this route I wonder?

Perhaps this explains why Iceland are buying into U2?
 
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Sat Aug 06, 2005 8:22 am

Quoting Boegas (Reply 8):
I know. Heathrow have more outgoing BA destinations. But for some reason most Icelanders choose Copenhagen to transfer on long-haul routes, don't ask me why.

Copenhagen ~= Scandanavian ~= Iceland

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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Sat Aug 06, 2005 10:41 am

Quoting MIASkies (Reply 25):
Hmm it could also be a great way for Americans to get to Europe! A new gateway... Icelandair lets say via BOS then BA from KEF to LGW and so on if need be. I would definetly try it..something different

I don't know about others, but that's too many stops for me. I'll stick to my non-stop NW MSP-AMS/LGW service. I can basically connect to almost anywhere in Europe from AMS.
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:21 pm

Stopover in Iceland is only for up to 72 hours.
 
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Sat Aug 06, 2005 2:46 pm

Would be interesting to get a hold of the financial analysis on this route. Does anyone agree that on the surface this seems a bit excessive? Could this be over capacity by BA? This will signifigantly reduce load factors on Icelandair flight out of LHR.
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Sat Aug 06, 2005 3:58 pm

Quoting AC777300 (Reply 33):
Would be interesting to get a hold of the financial analysis on this route. Does anyone agree that on the surface this seems a bit excessive? Could this be over capacity by BA? This will signifigantly reduce load factors on Icelandair flight out of LHR.

If Iceland Express can operate twice daily into Stanstead fro similar fares to what BA are chagring, why can;t BA operate a 5 times weekly service successfully as afull service carrier?
 
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Sat Aug 06, 2005 4:46 pm

Quoting Boegas (Reply 8):

hmm, maybe historical reasons, Iceland has been a part of Denmark, many people are going to Denmark for work or study, in the past I have known a few, great and smart people from Iceland living in Copenhagen. Some became close friends. Is the Danish language still the second language learned in the public school?
BTW Icelandair is codesharing with SAS on the KEF-CPH route and maybe beyond? It is at least working the other way, KEF-BOS has a SAS flight number and you earn SAS Eurobonus on it.

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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Sat Aug 06, 2005 5:40 pm

Hardly a "new" route - more a reinstatement. BEA/BA used to operate LHR-Iceland (with Vanguards at one point, later with Tridents?) Nice to see that the route has recovered enough, economically, for BA to consider it worth their while again. Well done to the longer standing operators for showing it could be done.  praise 
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Sat Aug 06, 2005 7:47 pm

Quoting Copenhagenboy (Reply 35):
Is the Danish language still the second language learned in the public school?

English is the 2nd language learned on Icelandic schools nowadays. Danish is the 3rd language but has lost its importance a lot. Nowadays people prefer to speak English above Danish. The Danish language skills have diminished a lot, you can see this in business in Iceland where even in business contacts with Danes, English as a language is used!
 
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:02 pm

This is great news. It's about time Icelandair ended its chokehole, anti-competitive monopoly on KEF. Maybe some of those prices will start coming down.

Now I want to see CO 738s/757s in KEF too...
 
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RE: British Airways Starting Flights To Iceland

Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:48 pm

Re reply 38, - IMHO, and in mild defence of Icelandair, I don't think you can accuse them of doing anything uncompetitive to keep other carriers off any routes into Keflavik, Sure, their prices dropped when Iceland Express came along, but that's how markets work. The point is that a near empty rock in the North Atlantic is not an obvious source of megaprofits for any carrier, and since Pan Am stopped its weekly run 30 or so years ago there hasn't been enough gravy to tempt anyone back and keep them until now. Why now? Well Iceland is booming and Icelandic companies are buying up the high streets of the UK and Scandinavia, and suddenly (partly because of Icelandair's ad budget) Iceland is finding itself with a profile in these markets, with a new market for biz class etc etc. Good for them I say and good for BA. If CO want to join in all the better, but I can't see it somehow.

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