Pe@rson
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BD's Performance From LHR To INV, ABZ, GLA, Etc.

Fri Aug 05, 2005 11:27 pm

While BD seems to have an irregular strategy, how are its flights performing from LHR to INV, ABZ, GLA, EDI, MAN, AMS, BRU and CDG?
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RE: BD's Performance From LHR To INV, ABZ, GLA, Etc.

Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:25 am

Ask in a few weeks once a few more regular business customers of theirs have experienced the new 'chaos class' on the CDG, BRU, AMS and GLA routes.
 
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RE: BD's Performance From LHR To INV, ABZ, GLA, Etc.

Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:28 am

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 1):
'chaos class'

Having flown BD and EasyJet this week, the latter is much better.
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RE: BD's Performance From LHR To INV, ABZ, GLA, Etc.

Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:52 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
While BD seems to have an irregular strategy

I should say so, many fingers in many different pies. But it would be interesting to find out how their core bread and butter is doing.
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RE: BD's Performance From LHR To INV, ABZ, GLA, Etc.

Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:55 am

Ooops: I forgot LBA, BHD, DUB and MME.  Wink
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RE: BD's Performance From LHR To INV, ABZ, GLA, Etc.

Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:56 am

I should think the travellers used to flying up to Glasgow or over to Paris and having a civilised cup of tea and bisuit or two are rather miffed at having found the correct change for their tea, the hostess only gets as far back as row 5.
 
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RE: BD's Performance From LHR To INV, ABZ, GLA, Etc.

Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:57 am

Think GLA is one of their most profitable routes. Always has been.
 
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RE: BD's Performance From LHR To INV, ABZ, GLA, Etc.

Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:58 am

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 5):
having a civilised cup of tea and bisuit or two

I wonder whether the people (or the businesses who are paying) you refer to would pay more for such things or whether they'd prefer a lower price.
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RE: BD's Performance From LHR To INV, ABZ, GLA, Etc.

Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:17 am

Cannot speak for now, but up until end '01 LHR-AMS was the most profitable route on the network with 8 A321's every day, 7 on Sat & Sun and from about 14:00 on Thursday until 19:00 every single departure ex AMS was in max business class configuration of 138C/29Y. Sadly, 9/11 and the tragic events thereof, and the reverberation of the unwillingness to travel by air for a while after, took care of those loads. This obviously hasn't helped BD in their last few years of, dare I say "crisis", or is that a bit dramatic?
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RE: BD's Performance From LHR To INV, ABZ, GLA, Etc.

Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:33 am

Pearson - BD are losing money hand over fist at heathrow at present - hence these knee jerk reactions there to survive.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 7):
I wonder whether the people (or the businesses who are paying) you refer to would pay more for such things or whether they'd prefer a lower price.

The business community want reliability, frequency and punctuality.

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 8):
"crisis",

BD failed to keep an eye on their key revenue centre and area of strategic importance - Heathrow, and instead focused on ancillary services.

Because of this they are now in deep trouble. They now have four marginal businesses, Heathrow, Long Haul, Regional and Baby - all struggling, directionless and confused. As every one of these business play second or third fiddle to someone better at doing that, the company is virtually worthless from a strategic value - with one exception heathrow slots

IMHO BD have failed at heathrow - They should sell heathrow slots, use the proceeds to buy back the LH /SK shareholdings and invest in aircraft. They should also close long haul and focus on Baby operations from the regions. Regional should be sold to BA / BE / Eastern / CityJet / Aer Arann / loganair. You then have a debt free, focused, smaller orginisation that can grow.
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RE: BD's Performance From LHR To INV, ABZ, GLA, Etc.

Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:37 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 7):
I wonder whether the people (or the businesses who are paying) you refer to would pay more for such things or whether they'd prefer a lower price.

It's still a little early to say. Thing is BMI kept this change very quiet from it's corporates. Indeed, my corporate route deals were only amended to remove the C discounts yesterda - 3 days after the change took effect.

BMI have also NOT made any inventory changes to ticketed PNRs. Normally the carrier removes C class, the HX the segment in the GDS and rebook as Y. Not BMI - not a mention thus far.

Maybe JGPH1A could confirm that from 1A's perspective.

I would imagine that for the majority, they will accept the change. However there are some high spending corporations who like their frills. These are the customers BMI needed to keep - and the customers BMI are most likely to lose.

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RE: BD's Performance From LHR To INV, ABZ, GLA, Etc.

Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:40 am

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 10):
BMI have also NOT made any inventory changes to ticketed PNRs. Normally the carrier removes C class, the HX the segment in the GDS and rebook as Y. Not BMI - not a mention thus far.

Resulting in the passenger paying additional front of curtain taxation also!
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RE: BD's Performance From LHR To INV, ABZ, GLA, Etc.

Sat Aug 06, 2005 2:08 am

Speaking purely on loads and not yields, the bmi LHR-MAN flights I have been on over the past few months have all been completely full, and that's been on a mix of 319/320/321's.

As for LBA, only been on that a couple of times this year, each time the early morning departure on either a Saturday or Sunday to LHR with the last flight back the same day. Usually been a 320, but got a F100 on one flight just before it was retired!  Smile Loads on my flights have usually been around 75% both ways, though remember these are lower demand weekend flights and that the early morning dep from LBA usually runs at £115.00 before tax one-way and I suspect bmi don't panic too much!
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