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Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Sat Aug 06, 2005 3:20 am

 
7e72004
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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Sat Aug 06, 2005 4:41 am

What other major cities has SBN had and lost in the past?
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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Sat Aug 06, 2005 5:05 am

IND, STL, PIT?

I think American Eagle also used to serve ORD. Maybe someone else can shed some light on this...
 
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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Sat Aug 06, 2005 5:17 am

UFS (United Feeder Service) used to run SBN-ORD as United Express with their ATP aircraft. Circa mid 90's I would say.
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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Sat Aug 06, 2005 5:19 am

What about Florida cities or washington DC?
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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Sat Aug 06, 2005 10:01 am

That picture in the article was taken at the Sunset viewing area, hope they got permission from whoever took it!  whistleblower 

G4 continues to add routes to Sin city. How about a couple of new planes! I want to see a brand new 738 coming in to IFP with G4 colors. Not very likely though  ashamed 
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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:21 pm

when chicago express pulled out, we lost MDW and IND. when USAir Exp pulled out, we lost PIT. when Eagle pulled out, we lost ORD. when American Connection pulled out, we lost STL. you could say over the past 4 years or so, SBN has taken quite the beating.

currently, we serve ORD via UAL, DTW & MSP via NWA, CVG & ATL via DAL, CLE via Continental, and now LAS with Allegiant.

it's nice to see an airline step IN to south bend instead of out! they claim that depending on the market demands, there is a possibility of flights to orlando as well.
 
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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Sat Aug 06, 2005 8:59 pm

Quoting Crjonbeez (Reply 6):
it's nice to see an airline step IN to south bend instead of out! they claim that depending on the market demands, there is a possibility of flights to orlando as well.

Thats pretty much of a possibility for most of our cities. Market demand is good, why not try Orlando as well? I hope SBN works well for us.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 5):
G4 continues to add routes to Sin city. How about a couple of new planes! I want to see a brand new 738 coming in to IFP with G4 colors. Not very likely though

Thats the spirit! Never give up hope but continue to be realistic!

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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:31 pm

Rick...

Any word on any new cities up coming? Talk on USAFlying is that YNG is expected soon,
 
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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:37 pm

Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 8):
Any word on any new cities up coming? Talk on USAFlying is that YNG is expected soon,

I haven't heard that one. SPS is starting 9/16. And we're starting SFB-SGF sometime in the next month or so. I fully expect to hear expansion out of SFB to destinations in the Northeast in the near future.

Stay tuned everybody,


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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:20 am

Quoting Crjonbeez (Reply 6):
USAir Exp pulled out, we lost PIT.


That loss was the beginning of my anti-US sentiments, long before the rest of the total raping that PIT took from them. Those ERJ's were hard to get seats on even, and they definitely weren't cheap, makes you wonder how you lose money on an expensive fare route, when you're the only airline going that far east with that kind of a NE Network, and you're flying full planes every day. Oh wait, you're US, you could screw up anything and in your haste to leave the Midwest/Great Lakes region AND PIT, you didn't care what flights got cut.

SBN is a nice little airport, and convenient as anything, the shame about it is their lack of advertising and whatnot. Most people even in Porter County think "It's too expensive" and don't even try to fly from SBN, when the extra $50 you might spend makes up for the extra tolls/gas/parking it takes to get to ORD/MDW. Taking the South Shore train is too convenient too, the problem is that the SS misses the decent sized cities of Merrillville, Valparaiso (and university center in this case) and LaPorte while hitting places like Chesterton and Michigan City.

PS: You've also landed a CoEx ERJ to CLE in the near future mixed in with your B1900s.
 
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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:38 am

With G4's emphasis on flights from LAS to mid and smaller sized markets I
would think places in the south that are underserved like GSO and TYS
would make good additions on their LAS routes. Would their MD-80's have
long enough range in both directions to and from the above mentioned
cities?
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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:44 am

Atcrick, how are those promises coming?
 
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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Sun Aug 07, 2005 3:16 am

717-200,

Unfortuately the MD-83 does not have the range to do GSO-LAS or TYS-LAS unless their only about half full.

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 12):
Atcrick, how are those promises coming?

I'm workin on it!!!! Those marketing people can be really stubborn but I think I'm wearing them down!!
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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Sun Aug 07, 2005 5:57 am

The deal has been completed on 5 former JetsGo aircraft. There is a lot of work to be done on them but they will be entering service this year most likely.
 
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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Sun Aug 07, 2005 6:25 am

Quoting Jeb94 (Reply 14):
The deal has been completed on 5 former JetsGo aircraft

Good afternoon Jeb. My understanding is that 3 out of the 5 were in good shape but the other two had some serious issues. Including FOD damage on one. But Boeing said its all 5 or none and we worked out some kind of a deal. Hopefully they will be in better shape that the on going saga of 873GA.

Rgds,

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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Sun Aug 07, 2005 7:39 am

Quoting Atcrick (Reply 3):
UFS (United Feeder Service) used to run SBN-ORD as United Express with their ATP aircraft. Circa mid 90's I would say.

I flew on an ATP ORD-SBN up through 2000
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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Sun Aug 07, 2005 9:34 am

I have not been to SBN in several years...but is the C "concourse" still just a cement floor and shed type structure?
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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:00 am

Quoting ATCRick (Reply 13):
I'm workin on it!!!! Those marketing people can be really stubborn but I think I'm wearing them down!!

do you really talk with them?
 
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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:20 am

Quoting ATCRick (Reply 7):
Thats the spirit! Never give up hope but continue to be realistic!

Being a SCY and G4 fan you have to!

Hey ATCRick,

Does G4 have any plans on getting some scheduled flights into IFP?
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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:38 am

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 17):
I have not been to SBN in several years...but is the C "concourse" still just a cement floor and shed type structure?

No
 
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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:20 pm

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 12):
Atcrick, how are those promises coming?

CID-SFB please ATCRick!!  

[Edited 2005-08-07 07:21:57]
 
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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:27 pm

forget about cid-sfb...what about cos-sfb or a tag on to the fnl flight?????
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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:05 pm

Quoting Cidflyer (Reply 21):
CID-SFB please ATCRick!!

I haven't forgotten about you either! I think you are a front runner for service.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 19):
Hey ATCRick,

Does G4 have any plans on getting some scheduled flights into IFP?

Not that I have heard of. IFP is a tough market when it comes to scheduled service. I'm not sure the demand is there.

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 22):
forget about cid-sfb...what about cos-sfb or a tag on to the fnl flight?????

FNL-SFB would never make it non-stop. Short runway and high altitude. Even COS would be tough, especially in the Summer. BTW, good to hear from you again.

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 18):
do you really talk with them?

Some times. But being a small company it's not tough to "hear" things.

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 16):
I flew on an ATP ORD-SBN up through 2000

Really? I thought UFS folded long before 2000. Thanx for the info.
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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:35 am

Quoting ATCRick (Reply 23):
Really? I thought UFS folded long before 2000. Thanx for the info.

I went back and checked, it was February 1999, so close to 2000  Smile
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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:49 am

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 24):
I went back and checked, it was February 1999, so close to 2000

Do you happen to know off hand when UFS folded? Anybody?
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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:32 am

Quoting ATCRick (Reply 23):
Not that I have heard of. IFP is a tough market when it comes to scheduled service. I'm not sure the demand is there.

It is only there in the winter months. SCY adds so many flights in the winter. Still think they could fill a MD-80 from certain cities. Who knows.
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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:58 am

Maybe its something we'll look into after we put our own station people in IFP. Right now our contract ground handlers down there are nothing but trouble.
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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:23 pm

Quoting ATCRick (Reply 27):
Maybe its something we'll look into after we put our own station people in IFP. Right now our contract ground handlers down there are nothing but trouble.

I can imagine. I think SCY has their own people there. That seems to be the way to go. Get me on the payroll I will unload your planes! Big grin
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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:02 am

Quoting ATCRick (Reply 23):
Quoting Cidflyer (Reply 21):
CID-SFB please ATCRick!!

I haven't forgotten about you either! I think you are a front runner for service.

they already have LAS , get back in line  Smile

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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:07 am

Thru the 70's and into 1980 SBN had 4 UA 737's daily to ORD as well as 3 to CLE and a 727-100 to DEN. After UA closed the CLE hub, ZW served SBN (as well as FWA) with DH7 to ORD. UA continued the DEN service and actually made it 2 flights daily for a while, some with 727-100, some times 722A's. In the beginning it was still FWA-SBN-DEN. Later UA coupled SBN with PIA (IIRC) and TOL and FWA were paired up for the DEN flights.

So SBN has had longer range service, just years ago. Hope this helps.
 
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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:11 am

thanks for the info TAN FLYR...kind of weird to think SBN had service like that..but i guess that was the case with a lot of small airports prior to and right after deregulation.
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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:36 am

Quoting Crjonbeez (Reply 6):
when chicago express pulled out, we lost MDW and IND. when USAir Exp pulled out, we lost PIT. when Eagle pulled out, we lost ORD. when American Connection pulled out, we lost STL. you could say over the past 4 years or so, SBN has taken quite the beating.

There was also SBN-IND on US, at least until 1997 or 98. Do you know when they stopped that?
 
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RE: Allegiant Begins SBN To LAS Today

Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:56 pm

Quoting ATCRick (Reply 23):
Really? I thought UFS folded long before 2000.

I believe the last UFS ATP flights were in Feb 2000. The DOT pulled UFS' certificate in March of 2000.

I got to fly on a few flights ORD-CAK-YNG in the late 90s.
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