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Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:34 pm

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Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:35 pm

I heard it was an ATR
 
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Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:37 pm

My Yahoo! SMS alert at 16:31 says: An Italian TV network says a TunisAir jet has gone down in the water off the coast of Sicilly.
 
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Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:38 pm

Italian reports say ATR with around 35 on board ditched 18 miles off Sicilian coast.
 
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Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:38 pm

Aircraft was actually an ATR42, operated by Tuninter; JP shows only one ATR42 (plus some '72s) operated by this carrier.

Aircraft appears to be TS-LBA, an ATR42-300, in operation since 1992.

Some confusion as to whether it ditched or crashed into the water.

35 on board; not clear whether that's the total or the pax no.
 
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Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:38 pm

Yes, a turboprop ATR 42, TUNISAIR (from BARI to DJERBA) tried an emergency landing at the Palermo airport, without succeeding. The crash has happened at 3.55 PM. It looks like there are survivors still swimming in the water waiting for rescue to come.

More to come.

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Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:39 pm

Quoting Backfire (Reply 1):
I heard it was an ATR

AFAIK, Tunisair doesn't operate ATRs.
 
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Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:41 pm

Flight TUNISAIR 1153. Two survivors went on the plane's wing. The others are still swimming in water. The plane was an ATR 72 not 42 as previously said.

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Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:41 pm

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 6):
AFAIK, Tunisair doesn't operate ATRs.

Must be Tuninter then. Or are there any other Tunisian ATR operators?

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Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:42 pm

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 6):
AFAIK, Tunisair doesn't operate ATRs.

It was probabily a charter flight. It is floating in water.

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Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:43 pm

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 6):
AFAIK, Tunisair doesn't operate ATRs.

I never said it was Tunisair, did I...?  Wink
 
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Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:45 pm

Five more passengers have reached the palne's wing right now.

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Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:46 pm

It's TUNINTER, TS-LBA. Was operating flight Bari (Italy) to Djerba (Tunisia).


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Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:46 pm

German news station n24 reports about an attempt for an emergency landing at Palermo, Italy before an water landing was carried out about 18 mls north of Palermo. They talk about an ATR-42, but... press... They say the flight was scheduled Bari-Djerba and called "Tunis Air 1153"
 
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Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:46 pm

Just to confirm that it is Tuninter which operate the ATR fleet

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Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:48 pm

2 passengers were seen swimming and trying to get on the wing.
The ATR is still floatng on the water and rescues arrived just now.
The pilot made a request for an emergency landing to Punta Raisi in Palermo.

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Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:49 pm

CNN just reported ATR 42 of Tunis Air crashed 19 miles north of Palermo. 35 souls on board. Water rescue is/will be starting soon.


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Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:50 pm

Lets hope for more survivors. Glad that a ditching/crash in sea is survivable. Hope no one perished. I suppose the warm temperature of the sea at this time of year will have added to the survivability of the accident.
 
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Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:51 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 12):
Of course, for the media, Tunis'Air / Tuninter is all the same ...

Can we leave the immature media-bashing out of this thread? A.net embarrassed itself enough this week by dealing out plenty of ill-informed comment of its own regarding the Air France accident. I'm fed up of hearing the same tired old complaints over media coverage, when A.net is stealing most of its information from journalists' reports.

Stick with the thread, please.  Yeah sure
 
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Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:57 pm

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 17):
Glad that a ditching/crash in sea is survivable.

I may be completely wrong... but doesn't ATR's high-wing design help quite a lot in a situation like this?
 
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Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:00 am

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 19):
I may be completely wrong... but doesn't ATR's high-wing design help quite a lot in a situation like this?

Not necessarily. Low-mounted wings can add to the buoyancy and stability of a ditched aircraft. Put a high-wing aircraft in water, it tips over.
 
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Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:03 am

News report about first italian coast guard boat has arrived on scene and already rescued the first eight pax (www.n24.de)
 
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Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:04 am

austrian tv says 35 people on board, at least 7 survivors reported.
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Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:06 am

Seems that nobody perished in the accident
 
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Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:09 am

Damn, what's going on lately? This is already the second crash within a few days. I hope that all (at least a lot) passengers survived.

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Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:11 am

"Seems that nobody perished in the accident"

Would be awsome news. Two major incidents in the past week without any loss of life. Amazing.
 
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Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:14 am

Quoting Backfire (Reply 20):
Low-mounted wings can add to the buoyancy and stability of a ditched aircraft.

What I meant was the actual landing on the water, where the low-mounted wings and especially engines might be an obstacle. But as I said, it's just a thought lacking any scietific backing.
 
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Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:14 am

cnn had a line saying 11 killed... wonder how they want to know that fast
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Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:28 am

Aghhhhhh... I was hoping that "everything happens in three's" would not materialize....

Hope everyone is OK!
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Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:42 am

Italian media say 24 people rescued
 
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Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:42 am

News say minimum 5 dead
 
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Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:43 am

Following a RAI message it was this aircraft

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Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:59 am

That's what the italian "Corriere" says:
http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/C...ache/2005/08_Agosto/06/aereo.shtml

Apparently already 5 pax died (as MUC-PIX said). The pilot announced "technical problems" and declared an emergency. He tried to reach the "Falcone e Borsellino" airport in Punta Raisi for the emergency landing but had to ditch, because he was "unable to reach the airport" (that's what he apparently told ATC, according to the Corriere article).

The plane is reported to be TS-LBB. According to the italian aviation authority, that plane had been ramp-checked 4 times in Italy before, without any problems. IMHO this information isn't relevant, because technical problems can happen despite perfect maintenance.

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RE: Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sun Aug 07, 2005 1:04 am

This is what appeared on Yahoo right few minutes ago:

ROME - A Tunisian jet carrying 35 passengers crashed into the Mediterranean Sea off Sicily on Saturday while trying to make an emergency landing because of engine trouble, officials said. An Italian news agency said at least nine people were killed.

Fire officials said at least 22 people survived, and some were seen clinging to the plane's wings. Coast guard and fire department officials said they could not immediately confirm the ANSA news agency report that nine bodies had been recovered.

The rescued people were in shock, fire official Giovanni Sacconi said.

SKY TG24 TV said some of the survivors were spotted clinging to the wings of the ATR-72 jet as they awaited rescue by coast guard boats.

The plane left Bari, Italy, on its way to Djerba, Tunisia. It was operated by Tuninter, an affiliate of Tunisair, the national airline of Tunisia. Tuninter said it had no immediate word on victims.

"The plane had engine problems and was trying to (emergency) land in Palermo and had to land in the sea," Nicoletta Tommessile, a spokeswoman for Italy's air safety agency, ENAV, told The Associated Press.

The plane contacted the Rome airport tower officials at 3:24 p.m. to report engine trouble and say it would have to land at Palermo's airport. Sixteen minutes later, the plane's crew told tower officials: "We're ditching in the sea," Tommessile said.

ENAV spokesman Alberto Pellegrino told SKY TG24 TV there were 35 passengers aboard.

The ATR-72 is a twin-propeller plane built in France. It has a two-person crew and seats up to 74 passengers. It made its maiden flight in 1988.
 
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RE: Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sun Aug 07, 2005 1:06 am

CNN is still reporting the aircraft as a Tunis Air, not Tuniter. So there still seems to be some confusion.
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RE: Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sun Aug 07, 2005 1:09 am

Quoting MKEdude (Reply 34):
CNN is still reporting the aircraft as a Tunis Air, not Tuniter. So there still seems to be some confusion.

Tunisair doesn't have any ATR's in the fleet.

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RE: Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sun Aug 07, 2005 1:15 am

 crying 

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RE: Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sun Aug 07, 2005 1:25 am

This is very sad. These people were probably on their way to a lovely holiday on the island of Djerba.
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RE: Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sun Aug 07, 2005 1:34 am

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RE: Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sun Aug 07, 2005 1:46 am

14 dead, 20 survived, 5 still missing.
35 pax + 4 crew

from n-tv
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RE: Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sun Aug 07, 2005 1:47 am

On the French T.V "LCI" they are now taking about 7 dead, 24 survivors and 4 missing among the PAX.

Backfire (Reply#18)

I would just like the Journalists to verify the information they are going to give to millions of people. I think it 's the minimum of deontology they should have instead of saying bullshit just because they want to rush to be the first ones to make an announcement.

Taking about a "twin-jet" for an ATR-42 or a "twin rear mounted engines jet" for an A343 (about AF in YYZ) is not very serious.
 
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RE: Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sun Aug 07, 2005 1:51 am

This is the official number at the moment given live from PMO airport on Italia1 evening news:

14 dead
20 survived
5 missing
 
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RE: Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:17 am

German second TV channel (ZDF) said right now at the 7.00pm news, possibly 19 passengers died at the crash.

That is so bad. Wonder what happened to the ATR72 since those a/c are pretty good.

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RE: Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:18 am

According to corriere.it who interviewed the pilot, the plane broke up in 3 pieces when ditching, because it went into the sea "nose first". Also, some passengers have burned skin, because there apparently was some kind of fire the airplane broke up.
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RE: Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:30 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 40):
I would just like the Journalists to verify the information they are going to give to millions of people. I think it 's the minimum of deontology they should have instead of saying bullshit just because they want to rush to be the first ones to make an announcement.

I understand the point, FlySSC - but as a journalist I can tell you that you're living in Cloud Cuckoo Land.

You cannot always verify information before you report. Even the sources closest to the action don't always know what's going on - so information relayed to journalists is often inaccurate.

Reputable journalists don't make up reports (and anyone who believes they do is an idiot, in my opinion). But early information, even from official sources, is fluid and subject to change. Therefore news reports are subject to change.

There's only one way to verify data - see it with your own eyes. But that's not possible. So you have to rely on credible sources. The problem is that even credible sources aren't always right. Which puts you in a dilemma - at what point do you decide to believe what you're being told?

Imagine you're a journalist and the CAA tells you that the aircraft involved in a crash is a jet. Do you report that it's a jet? How do you know? You've only the CAA's word. What if it turns out that it's actually a turboprop? How long do you wait to report? And how many sources will you listen to before you believe somebody? What if those sources are all just reading the same incorrect information? Whose fault is it then if your news report is wrong?

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RE: Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicil

Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:48 am

Backfire, you say:

Quoting Backfire (Reply 44):
You cannot always verify information before you report. Even the sources closest to the action don't always know what's going on - so information relayed to journalists is often inaccurate.

I am very sorry, but the job a a journalist (can be called reporter too...) is to report accurate information that has been verified.
What you describe is not journalism. But you have an excuse: there is a longtime journalist have almost completely disappeared from your country (but this discussion is for the non-av forum)
I hope they will retreive the missing persons quickly and alive.
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RE: Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:52 am

I heard the news by 16:00 on German TVs N24 and N-TV but unfortunately i wasn't able to announce it on A.Net.

The aircraft was an ATR72 (TS-LBB or TS-LBC) of TunInter operating a TunisAir flight TU1153 from Bari/BRI to Djerba/DJE/DTTJ. The route had to go through Palermo, Trapani, Monastir then direct to destination, but about an hour after the departure, the PF informed Roma Control that he has a technical problem and asked to make an emergency landing in PMO. The pilot was unable to land and 16 minutes after its MayDay, he announced that he decided to go into the sea. The flight was due to land at Djerba at 17:00 and the same aircraft was due to depart to Cagliari at 17:30 as TU1144.

All the 34 passengers were Italian vacationers and the crew was made of 2 Tunisian pilots and 3 F/As. The five crew memebers are said to be among the survivors !!!

Press agencies and TVs announced at first that it was an AT4 and i was too much surprised because just this midday i was driving on the highway adjacent to Tunis airport and saw TunInter's unique ATR42 landing at Rwy29 !!!

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RE: Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:53 am

Hasn't been a good week for French-built aircraft - first an A340 slip and slides in Toronto, and now this...
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RE: Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:58 am

From an originally announced ATR-42 TS-LBA, It is now confirmed that the plane involved in the accident is an ATR-72 TS-LBB ...

Backfire,

I know that beeing a journalist, or a reporter is not an easy job.
I am particularly angry after the good looking man (or woman) in his Armani or Hugo Boss suit who just reads carefuly his T.V screen and say so seriously all those stupid things the same way he would a cooking receipt ...
I am sory but I don't call it "information" and I can't call those people "journalists".
 
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RE: Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly

Sun Aug 07, 2005 3:38 am

Quoting Backfire (Reply 44):
I understand the point, FlySSC - but as a journalist I can tell you that you're living in Cloud Cuckoo Land.

I am not trying to inpune all broadcast journalism, but you must admit in a lot of newsrooms in the world, especially here in the States, that trumping your competitor to be on the air first, sometimes takes precendent over all accuracy. Now, responsibility also goes to a source, such as the aviation authority, or an airline, or manufacturer. You should ask them, "You say it is a jet. Can you confirm that? What kind of jet?" And if they can't be certain, all you need to say on the air is, "We can tell you that a "_______ Airlines" aircraft (or airliner) went down.....What kind of plane we will tell you when we can confirm that." As you are an aviation enthusiast yourself, you have to slap your forehead when you sometimes see sheer ignorance by the media on aviation topics. A lot of them can discern the term Cessna 377 from Boeing 757, or jet from propjet. It's all the same to them. I have tremendous respect for a lot of what broadcast journalists do. Just some reporters don't get trained well enough or have a corporate type worried about the bottom line, over their shoulders. It's sad, but true.
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