RICARIZA
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Remembering Aces - Colombia

Sun Aug 07, 2005 5:23 am

Dear friends,
Today I checked the forums, the archive, I googled it, yahooed, check the AV bulletins, tried the old web sites :Aces.aero y acescolombia.com.co and nothing.. practically nothing about that wonderful airline that brought so many improvements to the Colombian Airline industry. Her name is rememberd just as the company who merged with Avianca and then fell into bankruptcy.



I need your help to create a webpage to "Remember Aces". Her history, milestones, anecdotes and stories, her great service, her innovation in programs or anything that you guys want to add. Please anything will be welcomed, I haven't been able to find good info on the web and that make me very sad..

I hope you share this feeling with me.



This is the ONLY info I have found about our ACES on the web:

ACES - Aerolineas Centrales de Colombia - was formed in August 1971 with regional scheduled services starting in February 1972 from Medellin. First services were with Saunders-ST-27, modified Herons, flying to Bogota. By 1976 further domestic services to smaller destinations were also being flown and DHC-6 Twin Otters were purchased for this operation.
1981 saw the introduction of jets: Boeing 727-100s. They allowed for longer routes to be flown.
In 1987 the modified Herons were replaced by Fokker F-27s.
1991 saw a complete fleet change put into action to support the now wide domestic route network. The Fokker Friendships were replaced with modern ATR 42 twins and the aging series 100 Boeing 727s were replaced with newer series 200Advanced types, with further 727s being leased in the mid 1990s.
ACES Colombia took on freight services from the mid 1990s when the airline won postal contracts. Toward the end of the 1990s Airbus A320 jets were leased to replace the now aging 727s and a new livery was introduced with them.
During 2002 a merger with Avianca took place: Alianza Summa became the new name for AVIANCA, SAM, & Aces (Colombia) with the aim to cooperate, to fight foreign competion and declining traffic. Summa, made up by ACES, Avianca and the smaller SAM, was owned 50-50 by Colombia's National Coffee Federation and magnate Julio Mario Santo Domingo. The group was formed in an agreement between the federation, which owned ACES, and Santo Domingo, who controlled Avianca and SAM.
09Jun03: Colombia's Aces airline is returning 8 short-range 47-seat ATR-42 propeller aircraft to leasing companies under parent group Alianza Summa's broad reorganization plan, Summa announced.
ACES' fleet had shriveled to 5 planes from 17 by the time operations were suspended. The airline lost $9 million in the first four months of the year, taking its liabilities to $76 million at the end of April 2003.
I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
 
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Sun Aug 07, 2005 5:47 am

I remember travelling with them nearly 20years ago from mde to adz with a B727 and 14 years ago eoh capurgana on the DHC-6... it was great..
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Sun Aug 07, 2005 6:46 am

Yeah. I used their twin otters, ATR-42s, Boeing 727s and Airbus 320s. I can't forget when they launched the flights to MIA on the 727s and the entire plane was business class, what a treat was that... I guess I have one of their menus stored on my parent's house in Bogota.s
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Sun Aug 07, 2005 6:52 am

oh and i forgot, I used once the Fairchild F27....from eoh to quibdó (I think)...
I will search my sorces, maybe I will find some informations for you...
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Sun Aug 07, 2005 6:58 am

I allways asked myself, why it was sold to AV and the Alianza Summa was formed. Can someone please explain me that period in Colombian aviation ?
 
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Sun Aug 07, 2005 7:05 am

I flew with them to UIB, Nuquí, Capurganá and BOG with their ATR-42s, Twin Otters and A320s (never made it to the 727), it's a pity they're no longer here.

I was at MDE when the last flight landed, and also the day after that when the name Aces was being covered in the A320 (at that time the first MD-80 for West Caribbean was arriving). It was a pretty sad situation I had to witness.
I was at EOH when the last ATR flight arrived and made an intentional missed approach and then got the water salute

Now there have passed almost two years since they're gone, some of their Pilots are with Air Deccan, some with smaller Colombian Airlines, one (Marta Pabón) is with Air Arabia, lots unemployed. Same thing with the employees...

I can only remember now the long file of Twin Otters in the early morning at EOH and the way they returned one after the other the same way they departed and how happy I was when I witnessed that thing (I'm happy watching any plane anyways, but that sort of formation we saw everyday at EOH was something special)...

*sigh*
I think you might be interested on visiting this page:

http://www.acesodeshaces.com/

[Edited 2005-08-07 00:11:51]
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Sun Aug 07, 2005 7:11 am

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 5):
some of their Pilots are with Air Deccan

how they find the link to India?
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Sun Aug 07, 2005 7:13 am

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 4):
I allways asked myself, why it was sold to AV and the Alianza Summa was formed. Can someone please explain me that period in Colombian aviation?

Ever since the Alianza Summa was created and finalised, I can assure there have been enough talks to feed a whole soap opera.

To make a long story short, ACES basically had its own list of serious financial problems which drove them to join Avianca in the alliance. ACES' problems back then were no better than those of Avianca, with the slight difference that ACES knew how to manage its public image the right way, and did not let customer service be affected by this negative situations.

When the disaster Summa came to an end, it was decided that the Avianca brand, which was much more solid and had way more tradition and international recognition, was going to be kept, and ACES got shut-down.



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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Sun Aug 07, 2005 7:23 am

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 4):
I allways asked myself, why it was sold to AV and the Alianza Summa was formed. Can someone please explain me that period in Colombian aviation ?

Aces wasn't sold to Avianca, both of them were on the verge of disappearance and had some sort or merger in order to survive, but things didn't go as planed and even though I don't think Avianca was "guilty" for Aces disappearance, VX had the worst part, first having to discontinue the The ATR-42 use (it was on July the 6th 2003 if I'm not mistaken) and then going bankrupt altogether (on August the 23rd 2003 if I'm not mistaken again). At that the Alianza Summa didn't offer the promised excellent service, in fact there was a general disorder and lots of things were really a mess. Lots of jobs were lost, first on Aces reduction, then on its complete Bankruptcy and then on Avianca's process.
In general it's remembered as a dark time for Colombian Aviation. In the end it didn't help Avianca that much (except for wiping out their strongest competitor), as they had to undergo the C-11 as we all know.

There are several opinions regarding it, some say Avianca killed Aces, some say Aces was already dead, some say some things should have been done some way, some say that things had to be done the other way.

This is of course a very small summary of all the things that happened in that period, and I think some members will be glad to expand what I've said here and give us more facts.
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Sun Aug 07, 2005 7:29 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 6):
how they find the link to India?

I don't know exactly but I read somewhere that one Aces Pilot found a job with them (don't know how) and the people at Air Deccan were impressed with his (or her?) performance and attitude towards his (or her?) job. So they sent a representative to Colombia to interview some other Aces Pilots which were of course unemployed because of the bankruptcy, the interviews were satisfactory and more Aces Pilots went to Air Deccan, where they are nowadays.

Don't quote me on that, I don't really remember but I think it happened some way like that.

[Edited 2005-08-07 00:37:36]
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Sun Aug 07, 2005 7:40 am

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 5):
*sigh*
I think you might be interested on visiting this page:

http://www.acesodeshaces.com/

ohhh man.. THANKS! Thats the kind of page I wanted to find.. that's it, that is the kind page I was planning to create..
Don't laugh but I have watery eyes listening to the ACES music...

Maybe I do it anyway.. we'll see... in the meantime I am thinking in buying a domain name something like foryouaces.com or rememberaces.com something like that and I will link them to this website http://www.acesodeshaces.com/.

Thanks again...
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Sun Aug 07, 2005 7:40 am

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 9):
I don't know exactly but I read somewhere that one Aces Pilot found a job with them (don't know how) and the people at Air Deccan were impressed with his (or her?) performance and attitude towards his (or her?) job. So they sent a representative to Colombia to interview some other Aces Pilots which were of course unemployed because of the bankruptcy, the interviews were satisfactory and more Aces Pilots went to Air Deccan, where they are nowadays.

wow, this poor guys should have even more problems to find some nice arepas or empanadas in india than i am in germany  Smile
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Sun Aug 07, 2005 7:49 am

Why are good things slowly going from this world?
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Sun Aug 07, 2005 7:57 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 12):
Why are good things slowly going from this world?

I know.. is sad... i am so sad listening to the Aces music. I remember that they use to play it very soft on the planes while you were boarding.. damn!

BTW 757MDE did you buy the book? If so, is it good?
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Sun Aug 07, 2005 8:16 am

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 10):
ohhh man.. THANKS! Thats the kind of page I wanted to find.. that's it, that is the kind page I was planning to create..
Don't laugh but I have watery eyes listening to the ACES music...

You're welcome dude!
I'm not laughing, I had the very same reaction when I first visited that page.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 11):
wow, this poor guys should have even more problems to find some nice arepas or empanadas in india than i am in germany Smile

I bet he is!
But the love for Aviation is stronger.
I read some chronicle somewhere as well, some Aces Pilot said adapting to life in Bangalore was hard, but not as hard he'd have thought, that India somehow suffers from the same bad press that we suffer here in Colombia, and that life there is way nicer than he thought. He said that he of course misses Colombia lots, but Airplanes come first!


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Some on Aces history taken from the Tampa Cargo 30th anniversary magazine:
*(Tampa Cargo, Aces, and SAM were founded by the same man, Luis H. Coulson "El Abuelo", in the Tampa Cargo history they also say some things about Aces, SAM, and their respective foundations)*


Said by Jorge Coulson, Luis H. Coulson's son and first Aces manager (with translation by me, sorry for any eventual errors!):

"... by those years two Aviation companies existed in Medellín: Cessnyca and Aerotaxi.
In 1970 a brother-in-law of mine had had problems in Aviation with Cessnyca and didn't want to work anymore. So he proposed me to buy some planes and begin a new Aviation company, the same way my dad had done some years ago. Then, the four of us (Hernán Zuluaga, Fabio Ortega, my father and me) joined forces and every one invested 5000 pesos each. I had a really clear idea on how a company that was to compete on short haul transport with the two existing companies should be. We made factibility studies, sought for different kinds of Planes and founded Aces, Aerolíneas Centrales de Colombia in 1971. We got to find 13 interested partners; We had 62% and the other partners had the remaining percentage.

Aces was an Anonymous Society since the beginning, its founders were:
Jorge Coulson and company, Ricardo Coulson representing our father Luis H. Coulson, Industria Colombo-Alemana de Machetes, Industria Colombiana de Camisas, José de Jesús Restrepo, Destilados Agrícolas, Fernando Cadavid, Colombit S.A de Manizales, Rodrigo Toro S., Gustavo Castro, Arango Rudd and company, Fabio Ortega Castaño, Germán Buitrago Montes, Aldo Serani, Josué Montoya A., Christian Puerta, Felipe Henker, Maria Vargas, Guillermo Henríquez Gallo and Jairo Castillo R.

We wanted to search for more direct routes to shorten distances between Airports.
We explored to possible new routes to start in Colombia and the worldwide possibilities in the short-range Airplanes market. The plane we wanted was the Twin Otter, but it was so expensive we couldn't buy it and found another option: The Saunders. I travelled to Canada with the advice of expert Pilots, with lots of experience in order to make a real test of flight in the plane and I liked it. We made the deal and the Pilot who adviced me bought the first one to Colombia himself. So, Aces began they comercial operations on February the 22nd 1972.

In the same year, Aerotaxi stopped operations and so did Cessnyca some time after the first because they couldn't compete because they had little Airplanes like Cessnas and we had bigger and faster Airplanes, we had a big advantage over them already.

I remember with lots of love being the first manager at Aces. My responsability was to bring it into operation and when it was settled, up and running I gave it to the new manager and we sold our percentage in 1975. By those times, I was in a whole new great project: TAMPA, our new Colombian Freighter Airline.
..."
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Sun Aug 07, 2005 8:19 am

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 13):
BTW 757MDE did you buy the book? If so, is it good?

I haven't bought it, but it must have interesting contents. AFAIK the guy that wrote it knows what he's talking about.
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Sun Aug 07, 2005 8:28 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 6):
Quoting 757MDE (Reply 5):
some of their Pilots are with Air Deccan
how they find the link to India?

757MDE, Avianca etc;

Here some nice info on Ex ACES employees:


Gulf News: Colombian is first woman pilot to join UAE airline.
16 June 2005 Gulf News - English - 16 June 2005


Martha Pabon, a Colombian, is the first female pilot to be employed by a UAE-based airline, said an official of Air Arabia, a Sharjah-based budget airline.

"Air Arabia welcomed on-board the first female pilot to fly for a UAE airline. With over a decade of flying experience, 29-year-old Flight Officer Martha Pabon has totalled almost 5,000 hours of flying time," an airline statement said.

"I am really excited about being the first woman pilot here. Air Arabia shows their pioneering spirit in all levels this is just one example. I am really proud and grateful that Air Arabia gave me this opportunity and look forward to working with more woman pilots here," she told Gulf News.

This is Pabon's first assignment in the Middle East. She earlier worked for ACES Airlines in Colombia.

"For some of the pilots I flew with since June 12 [her first flight in the UAE was on June 12, Sharjah Doha-Sharjah], it was the first time they flew with a woman pilot so it was an interesting experience for them too. Airport staff were surprised when they found out that I am a pilot, but they all congratulated me," Pabon said.

"Before I came to the UAE, I was a little worried about the cultural differences, but everyone respects others and this is a pretty multi-cultural society so I am really happy.

"I know I will grow as a professional in Air Arabia. And being in the UAE and knowing and learning about so many different people and cultures I will grow as a person too."




By the way my only flights with ACES where on the BOG-MZL-BOG route on one of their ATR-42's. What a nice time it was!

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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Sun Aug 07, 2005 9:51 pm

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 14):
He said that he of course misses Colombia lots, but Airplanes come first!

I respect that, but in my case, my first passion is Colombia itself.

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 14):
Some on Aces history taken from the Tampa Cargo 30th anniversary magazine:
*(Tampa Cargo, Aces, and SAM were founded by the same man, Luis H. Coulson "El Abuelo", in the Tampa Cargo history they also say some things about Aces, SAM, and their respective foundations)*


Said by Jorge Coulson, Luis H. Coulson's son and first Aces manager (with translation by me, sorry for any eventual errors!):

Very interesting, thanks a lot..!
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:36 am

Oh, Aces.

My first flight was on VX. Of course i dont remember but it was BOG-MZL-BOG on Twin Otter to visit the Manizales branch of my family in 1990.

Then, in October 2002, with Alianza Summa just created, i flew BOG-AXM-BOG on ATR-42 for an exposition my dog (Bullmastiff) had in Panaca.

The last flight i mtook was in July 11 of 2003, BOG-FLL-BOG, an A320. That was the last full month of operation for the airline. We went to Ft. Lauderdale for vacation in a friends house who lent it to us. (we dont like MIA)

Then, August 26 of 2003, the Aces fleet was grounded in BOG and MDE and went back to Europe some days later. It is now flying for Wizzair.

BTW; The site is very extremist. It´s obvious it is from resented VX employees.
 
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:04 am

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 18):
BTW; The site is very extremist. It´s obvious it is from resented VX employees

Yep.. I am planning to do a simple and objective page, a tribute to ACES and her wonderful service. A page to remember one of the best chapters of Colombian aviation.
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:23 am

Hey.


I agree with all you guys, aces was(for me at least) the best of the best although I flew with them 4 times but those were very special and unforgettable times for me.

They had the best onboard service, the most polite and professional cabin crew, the cleanest airplanes, modern fleet, lots of destinations etc. That's what i mean the best o the best!!!

a low end for high airline.

FLY HIGH ACES !!! "por el respeto"


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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:28 am

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 17):
I respect that, but in my case, my first passion is Colombia itself.

I love this country but in my case, I'd act the same way the Aces Pilot did, be it in India or anywhere else.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 18):
BTW; The site is very extremist. It´s obvious it is from resented VX employees.

Could be, but just put yourself on their butts... they didn't do that because of sake of doing it!
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:11 am

Speaking about female pilots,
I remember a female captain for the Aces A320. I often rented cars in Miami for the crew, including her. She was such a nice person, and her crew always spoke nothing but great things about her.

Funny thing, one time the whole crew rented from me a minivan to go shopping, and they all got lost in the Dolphin Mall in Miami, they were so late and upset. I drove them back to the hotel so they can put on their uniforms. I waited for them by the lobby, and it was 45 minutes prior to schedule departure. They came down rushing with their uniforms almost half way on and the clothes and the shopping not packed yet. It was hilarious how desperate they were.
Of course no one showered or combed their hairs, it was like 98 degrees that day and everyone was sweating like hell.

On the ride to the airport everyone was blaming it on each other. LOL !
We arrived at the airport 15 minutes prior to departure.

I guess it all turned out ok.
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:31 am

Quoting Airplane (Reply 22):
Speaking about female pilots,

I am not sure if she was the same that took me a couple of time to MIA. The best landings that I ever had.

Quoting Airplane (Reply 22):
It was hilarious how desperate they were.

Of course they were, they were ACES crew, they had "Respect" for the travelers. (When I quote/unquote the word Respect, is because it was the slogan of Aces and not on the typical Ironic sense)

Quoting MATURRO727 (Reply 20):
FLY HIGH ACES !!! "por el respeto"
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:37 am

Quoting Airplane (Reply 22):
Speaking about female pilots,

I once had a female Twin Otter captain take me from Capurgan� to Medell�n - Olaya Herrera. It was back in 1993 but I remember it like yesterday, she was so friggin cute!
I remember we entered the Aburr� Valley (where Medell�n is) and there was this strong rain so the landing was really hard (landings when the runway is wet have to be hard)...
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:42 am

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 24):
(landings when the runway is wet have to be hard)...

Are you sure? ..........  Wink
 
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:56 am

Quoting Legacy135 (Reply 25):
Are you sure? .......... Wink

I am! believe me!
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:38 am

After reading the book in my humble opinion it is very biased; and since I lived through the tragedy of Alianza Summa as an AV 757/767 pilot and having lived under Juan Emilio Posada's disastrous leadership of the now defunct Alianza Summa which almost sank AV and MM into the ground too.

It was very sad to see the disappearance of Aces; and the 4800 jobs that where lost at AV, MM and VX.

Enclosed you will find all the complete fleet of aircraft that Aces had in its operational history including the forgotten Cessna, DC9 and the Fokker's 27/28 which nobody has mentioned above.

Registration Aircraft Type
HK-1720 Cessna A185F 185-02620
HK-1299 DH-114 Heron 2D (Saunders ST-27) 14050 ex C-FFZR

HK-1286 DH-114 Heron 2D (Saunders ST-27) 14058 ex C-FYBM

HK-1287 DH-114 Heron 2D (Saunders ST-27) 14059 ex C-FYAP

HK-1800 DH-114 Heron 2D (Saunders ST-27) 14118 ex XA-BEN

HK-1910 DHC-6-300 497 w/o 1/23/85 Quibdo

HK-1980 DHC-6-300 510 to V2-LFL

HK-2050 DHC-6-300 562 to Aerovuelos

HK-2215 DHC-6-300 608 to N784DL

HK-2216 DHC-6-300 609 w/o 12/18/81 San Antero

HK-2381 DHC-6-300 644

HK-2444 DHC-6-300 683 to N7020G

HK-2445 DHC-6-300 684 to C-GIEB

HK-2536 DHC-6-300 713 w/o 11/29/82 Quetame

HK-2547 DHC-6-300 717 to C-GIED

HK-2548 DHC-6-300 718 to C-GDIW

HK-2602 DHC-6-300 746 w/o 11/30/96 Medellin

HK-2603 DHC-6-300 749

HK-2669 DHC-6-300 760

HK-2670 DHC-6-300 767 to N2670X

HK-2758 DHC-6-300 770 w/o 2/18/91 Otu

HK-2759 DHC-6-300 771 to Aerotaca

HK-2760 DHC-6-300 777 to Aerotaca

HK-2761 DHC-6-300 780 w/o 4/27/86 Saravena

HK-2762 DHC-6-300 784 to C-FJFR

HK-2763 DHC-6-300 789 w/o 2/27/85
El Bagre

HK-3777 DHC-6-300 477 ex N7138K to
8P-MLK

HK-2151X B.727-2A1 21343 lsf Avianca
ret Avianca

HK-2541X B.727-25 18281 ex N8130N Medellin (Metroparque)

HK-2604X B.727-25 18287 ex N8136N to N4753B

HK-2705X B.727-25 18282 ex N8131N to N4556W

HK-2717X B.727-25 18252 ex N8101N to N8101N

HK-2774X B.727-25 18266 ex N8115N not taken up

HK-3168X B.727-95 18858 ex N834N to N834N

HK-3246X B.727-46 19280 ex HP-661 b/u Bogotá 01/96

HK-3384X B.727-46 18879 ex G-BAEF to G-BAEF

HK-3442X B.727-76 18742 ex PT-TCF to TC-ATU

HK-3483X B.727-27 19499 ex PT-TYK to OB-1542

HK-3651X B.727-77 18743 ex N143CA to HH-JEC

HK-3738X B.727-227 21997 ex N306AS b/u Miami Opa Locka

HK-3739X B.727-C3 20418 ex PP-CJE b/u Tucson 2/28/98

HK-3745 B.727-C3 20420 ex PP-CJG to LA Suramericanas wfu at BOG

HK-3845X B.727-260 22759 ex ET-AHK to N980AL

HK-3845X B.727-27 19534 ex XA-TYT to YV-845C

HK-3933X B.727-35 19165 ex XA-RAN to YV-838C

HK-3977X B.727-277 20548 ex N274WC to YV-17C Aeropostal, Alas de Venezuela

HK-3998X B.727-225 20620 ex N8858E b/u Miami Opa Locka

HK-4010X B.727-243 21267 ex N574PE b/u Miami Opa Locka

HK-4047X B.727-212 21458 ex N292AS to N292AS

HK- A320-232 496 ntu

HK- A320-232 530 ntu

N635VX A320-233 1635 ex F-WWDTto EI-DFT, HA-LPB Wizz Air

N834VX A320-233 1834 ex F-WWBFto F-WQTI, EI-DGC, HA-LPC Wizz Air

N892VX A320-233 1892 ex F-WWBU to F-WQTJ, EI-DFU, HA-LPE Wizz Air

N902VX A320-233 1902 ex F-WWDG to F-WQTK, EI-DGB, HA-LPD Wizz Air

VP-BVA A320-233 739 ex F-WWBX to Jetstar Asia

VP-BVB A320-233 743 ex F-WWIF to Jetstar Asia

VP-BVC A320-233 839 ex F-WWBE to EI-DFW, HA-LPA Wizz Air

VP-BVD A320-233 892 ex F-WWDF to Wizz Air

VP-BVF A320-233 1085 ntu

VP-BVG A320-233 1110 ntu

VP-BVH A320-233 1125 ntu

HK-3155X DC-9-14 45843 ex N8962 to N8962

HK-3126X F.28-1000 11085 ex LV-LOA to LV-LOA

HK-1981 FH-227B 529 ex N4220 to
F-GDAH

HK-3374X F-27J 69 ex SE-INA to N43675

HK-3375X/HK-3617X F-27F 68 ex SE-IPE to N276BT

HK-3126X F28-1000 11085 ex LV-LOA to LV-LOA

HK-3678X ATR-42-320 261 ex F-WWEI to West Caribbean AW

HK-3684X ATR-42-320 284 ex F-WWLJ to C-GZMV, CX-PUC Pluna

HK-3943X ATR-42-320 142 ex EI-BXS to HK-3943 West Caribbean AW

HK-4035X ATR-42-320 259 ex N99838 to N99838, N904X Federal Express

N316VX ATR-42-500 613 ex F-WWLT stored at Montreal Dorval CYUL

VP-BOD ATR-42-500 506 ex N15448 to F-WQNQ, PH-XLP Alsace Excel

VP-BOE ATR-42-500 504 ex F-WQLI to
F-WQNH, PH-XLO Alsace Excel

VP-BOF ATR-42-500 505 ex F-WQND damaged 10/11/20 BOG (hit 727 HK-3998X) b/u

VP-BOH ATR-42-320 406 ex F-WQHZ to VT-ADE Air Deccan

VP-BOI ATR-42-320 388 ex F-WQJP to F-WQNV, VT-ADA Air Deccan

VP-BOU ATR-42-500 612 ex F-WWLS stored at Montreal Dorval CYUL

VP-BVE ATR-42-500 510 ex F-WQNM Stored ???

VP-BNH ATR-42-320 296 ex VR-BNH to West Caribbean AW

VP-BOG ATR-42-320 333 ex VR-BOG to F-WQNJ, VT-ADC Air Deccan

Aircraft Type Additional Information
A319-132 4 ordered (5/02, 7/02, 9/02, 11/02) (originally ordered as A320), cancelled
A320-233 4 more o/o (5/02, 7/02, 9/02, 11/02) (swapped from A319)
DHC-8 2+ ordered ntu.


Regards:
AV757
 
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Mon Aug 08, 2005 9:35 am

Quoting AV757 (Reply 27):
Regards:
AV757

Thanks for the info AV757
I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
 
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:55 pm

Quoting AV757 (Reply 27):
Regards:
AV757

Where have you been MR. ??
welcome back,

JP
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:19 pm

What I remember about aces:

They used to fly from BAQ and CTG to CCS.

They flew charters into PUJ from BOG. A320s. I remember that the Bogota girl I had an "adventure" with in Punta Cana back in 2002 was flying ACES in a A320, I said good bye to her at the airport gate.
 
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:41 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 30):
They flew charters into PUJ from BOG

They werent charters.
 
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Tue Aug 09, 2005 4:25 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 30):
They used to fly from BAQ and CTG to CCS.

They flew charters into PUJ from BOG. A320s. I remember that the Bogota girl I had an "adventure" with in Punta Cana back in 2002 was flying ACES in a A320, I said good bye to her at the airport gate.

As RCS763AV said they were not charters, they were scheduled services with the 727s and then A320s, AV keeps that flight nowadays (but I think with reduced frequencies).

One of Aces' last moves regarding network expansion was the beginning of flights to Caracas, Lima and I think Quito... they didn't last long because of Summa and the rearrangement of routes and the bankruptcy later. I thought Caracas was a flight from Bogot�.... if it's true that Aces flew to CCS from BAQ and CTG then it's news to me.
As far as I know, the only Airlines flying to CCS from provinces were SAM from MDE and CTG, Santa B�rbara from BAQ and Aires from the northern coast cities as well.
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:42 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 30):
They flew charters into PUJ from BOG.



Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 31):
they werent charters

They did operate many charters to Punta Cana, especially sold under the company's own Planes Naranja, but most of the time the flights were regular.

Puerto Plata, Punta Cana, Santo Domingo and San Juan were all regulars by ACES, all with low frequencies, but just right for leisure routes.

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 32):
As RCS763AV said they were not charters, they were scheduled services with the 727s and then A320s, AV keeps that flight nowadays (but I think with reduced frequencies).

Yes, AV only flies BOG-PUJ once a week, but it's just what the route needs/deserves. The MD-83 would otherwise remain on the ground thanks to reduced weekend rotations.

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 32):
I thought Caracas was a flight from Bogot�

I also thought the same, I cannot recall ACES flying to Caracas from neither Barranquilla nor Cartagena unless it was many years ago. I can confirm that they did debut on the BOG-CCS market, with 2 daily frequencies.

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 32):
As far as I know, the only Airlines flying to CCS from provinces were SAM from MDE and CTG, Santa B�rbara from BAQ and Aires from the northern coast cities as well.

Add Avensa/Servivensa to the list.




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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:39 am

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 32):
Santa B�rbara from BAQ

Santa Barbara flew to MAR not CCS from BAQ.

VX never operated from the coast to CCS, they only did it from BOG.
 
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:33 pm

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 33):
Add Avensa/Servivensa to the list.

Yeah... how could I've forgotten those 727s in the MDE morning!
And also Rutaca which had a very strange operation from MDE to CCS and PMV (and maybe MAR? I don't really know) last year.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 34):
Santa Barbara flew to MAR not CCS from BAQ.

My mistake.
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RE: Remembering Aces - Colombia

Tue Aug 09, 2005 11:43 pm

It's a shame ACES is gone. I thought they had a bright future when they got their A320s...too bad.

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