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Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Sun Aug 07, 2005 9:24 pm

Truth is, Air Madrid is having very hard days lately with their flights. After a flight to LIM last week was delayed for more than 24 hours, they have still not been able to recover from it and every day have a flight with a huge delay. At least, they are trying to do this without canceling any flight, but they are in the news every day and things just keep getting worse:

(In Spanish): http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2005/08/07/sociedad/1123416182.html

Passengers boarded the plane already with a huge delay and then were told that it was not ready to go because toilets were out of order. Some passengers refused to leave the plane and the police had to go there.

Air Madrid should lease an additional plane for a few days to get its flights on schedule again.
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Sun Aug 07, 2005 9:43 pm

This sound like the beginning of the end to me......
 
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Sun Aug 07, 2005 9:52 pm

Quoting Legacy135 (Reply 1):
This sound like the beginning of the end to me......

Nah not yet. This has been a typical thing with Air Madrid since they started operations and they're still around...and don't know how, but they are still around and their flights are sold out.
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:31 pm

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 2):
Nah not yet. This has been a typical thing with Air Madrid since they started operations and they're still around...and don't know how, but they are still around and their flights are sold out.

it sounds not to good for them...why to passengers still book NM to bog and lim when there are other cheap alternatives in place A7 for example or often iberia and avianca too...
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Sun Aug 07, 2005 11:34 pm

Quoting Avianca (Reply 3):
why to passengers still book NM to bog and lim when there are other cheap

NM =Mount Cook Airlines [New Zealand] ?
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Sun Aug 07, 2005 11:39 pm

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 4):
NM =Mount Cook Airlines [New Zealand] ?

AirMadird has the 2-Letter Code NM, maybe Mount Cook the same or its a airliners.net foult.
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:36 am

Hmmm this is very bad publicity for them. I was thinking about flying with them to South America, but this sounds very bad. No way I will book a ticket with them. In a way I do not feel really comfortable to fly a low cost carrier transatlantic...
 
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:42 am

NM is BAD. Those A330s are a can of sardines, you have to buy the most expensive food ever, i mean, a 25 euro crap sandwich, that what some Cayos a la Madrileña cost in Pajares Salinas!. If you want to fly cheap, fly Air Plus Comet which is cheaper, but always on schedule, nice seats and free food. Also, its a 747-200.
 
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:51 am

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 7):
If you want to fly cheap, fly Air Plus Comet which is cheaper, but always on schedule, nice seats and free food. Also, its a 747-200.



Quoting Avianca (Reply 3):
why to passengers still book NM to bog and lim when there are other cheap alternatives in place A7 for example or often iberia and avianca too...

yes as mentioned before....

my wife used AirPlus (A7) 2 month ago, and the service + food was very good + the free bagage is 40kgs the double as with other carriers (I think NM has 30kgs).

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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:37 am

AirMadrid had an awful start in Colombia, and it was widely disseminated to the point of building a bad image...

...No wonder why this past high-season, when IB and AV registered very satisfactory occupation to MAD, AirMadrid's planes were going less than half-full out of Colombia.



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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:41 am

Hey! Do any of you guys know if NM had any trouble in its inaugural flight to TLC? I just booked a friend of mine TLC-MAD-TLC in September. She saved around $500 USD when I booked her with NM instead of AM or IB.
Anyone knows about the loads of NM to TLC?
 
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:52 am

Bad reputation kills an airline, and even worst if they don't have any thing to offer, such as service, baggage allowance, and food.

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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:56 am

Guys, give Air Madrid a break. It is still a rather new company and fighting with several problems. The alternatives to Latin (South America) are not too exciting either, whether low cost (Santa Barbara Airlines) or regular (Iberia, Avianca). Maybe Lan Ecuador and Air Plus Comet (old planes) are better, I have no experience with them. But, people want to pay little for transportation and expect first class service all along. This doesn't work. If you want to fly cheap, you may have to live with some problems. Otherwise, take a first class company (there are not too many either to Latin America) and pay a fortune. Bon voyage!
 
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:12 am

Quoting Swisswings (Reply 12):
, whether low cost (Santa Barbara Airlines)

Santa Barbara is not Low Cost...maybe "low fare"

Quoting Swisswings (Reply 12):
Air Plus Comet (old planes)

Santa Barbaras planes are even older !

Quoting Swisswings (Reply 12):
Guys, give Air Madrid a break.

Yes, please ! Setting up an airline these days is not easy. Especially against the stron competition of Iberia.
 
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:15 am

Chiguire: You may be right that Santa Barbara is low fare (that's the only thing I can see when looking at their fares) but I cannot judge their cost structure. Still, their cost strucutre may be well below IB, even Air Madrid or eventually AV.
When speaking about old planes, I was comparing AirPlusComet with AV, not Santa Barbara. Yes, Santa Barbara has very old planes indeed...Sorry for the lack of clarity.
 
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:16 am

Quoting Swisswings (Reply 12):
Guys, give Air Madrid a break. It is still a rather new company and fighting with several problems. The alternatives to Latin (South America) are not too exciting either, whether low cost (Santa Barbara Airlines) or regular (Iberia, Avianca). Maybe Lan Ecuador and Air Plus Comet (old planes) are better, I have no experience with them. But, people want to pay little for transportation and expect first class service all along. This doesn't work. If you want to fly cheap, you may have to live with some problems. Otherwise, take a first class company (there are not too many either to Latin America) and pay a fortune. Bon voyage!

I totaly agree. All people in my company are pricesensitive. They want to fly for less money (when the company is not paying for their trips). My friend gave me her credit card when I told her she was saving $500 USD against the other airlines nonstop to Europe. She´s never been to Europe and wants too for her first time. But she doesn´t want to spend a lot of money. So I am booking her EasyJet to Paris from Madrid, then RyanAir to Rome from Paris and then Air Comet to Madrid from Rome and back to Mexico with Air Madrid. She is amazed about the cost of all her flights. So, Air Madrid is a good alternative for people that want to fly for less money and don´t care if they get a meal for free.
 
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:29 am

Quoting Airplane (Reply 11):
groundhog here, I haven't seen you around in ages

Studying a lot and taking time to enjoy the city now that we're on fair. But I've still been around lately in other threads.

Quoting Swisswings (Reply 12):
But, people want to pay little for transportation and expect first class service all along.

That's true, but also many people pay cheap fares and expect at least to be on time and no more. In that sense, AirMadrid has no excuses; they may be new, but I have the feeling that they've also tried to hug a very big idea having very short arms, and that's called irresponsibility.

They don't deserve to be given a break, because they've been extremely irresposible and I can speak for many situations they've had here in Colombia.




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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:46 am

Southamerica: People may expect on-time performance, whether flying low-fare or on an expensive ticket. That is understandable, but reality often looks different. On-time performance in today's world is, as you may know, a problem in the airline industry across the world. If you call an airline that has on-time performance problems irresponsible, I cannot agree with your assessment. There are other items that are more important (safety, for example) and not respecting these may be irresponsible. In your logic, you unfortunately have to add some of the airlines of your own country (e.g. Avianca) to your list of irresponsible carriers. Many others would have to be added too...e.g. Swiss International, to be fair.
 
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:48 am

I'm not defending Air Madrid, but they fly from SJO to MAD for $500 in coach and $1,500 in Business. Their flights are crowed from here.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 7):
Those A330s are a can of sardines, you have to buy the most expensive food ever, i mean, a 25 euro crap sandwich, that what some Cayos a la Madrileña cost in Pajares Salinas!.

Yes. Is too expensive.
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:49 am

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 16):
They don't deserve to be given a break, because they've been extremely irresposible and I can speak for many situations they've had here in Colombia.

do you have any more information for me....sounds intresting.


I think the only way AirMadrid is intresting is when a one-way ticket is required and all others airlines have too high fares what often happened.


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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:58 am

Quoting Swisswings (Reply 17):
On-time performance in today's world is, as you may know, a problem in the airline industry across the world.

It depends on how you look at on-time performance.

Avianca ans Swiss can make you wait for 2-3 hours, and, reportedly [at least AV] more than 90% of the times it's because of weather.

The slight difference with AirMadrid is that delays, as stated above, can easily last up to 24 ridiculous hours, and often include a de-tour around the country in order for you finally catch your flight; let's not forget how AirMadrid had to take many stranded passengers from Bogota to Cartagena several times because of "plane availability". See what I mean?



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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:04 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 19):
I think the only way AirMadrid is interesting is when a one-way ticket is required and all others airlines have too high fares what often happened.

This is true. AirMadird is only a cheap alternative for one way fares. In all other cases they are selling their tickets for plus/minus the same price as their competitors. I looked up quickly on the pages of the several airlines flying the MAD-BOG route, for a fictive flight departing around 30. 09. 2005 with 7 days stay in BOG. The tariffs are as follows:

LCC's

AirMadrid Economy € 499.-- Preferente € 1299.--
Air Plus Comet Economy € 495.82 Business € 1245.--

Full Service Airlines:

Avianca Economy € 509.-- Ejecutiva € 1295.--
Iberia Economy € 603.-- Business € 3723.--

All tariffs are based on the lowest available in the respective class, taxes not included.

It is very obvious, they sell all for about the same price, expect the IB C Class which seems to be a non discountable IATA fare.

My choice here is clear: Avianca, la Aerolinea del Continente Americano, offering the best deal in business class compared to the price and having lovely crews.
 
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:06 am

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 20):
Avianca ans Swiss can make you wait for 2-3 hours, and, reportedly [at least AV] more than 90% of the times it's because of weather.

the years when AV had problems with delays are long gone ....

I can remember in the 90s when every AV flight was at least 5 hours delayed...

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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:52 am

Swisswings: Stop being such an apologist for what is obviously a poorly managed airline. 24 hour delays are inexcusable, no matter what the carrier.

Pax demands in these cases are by no means unreasonable.
 
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:17 am

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 2):
and don't know how, but they are still around and their flights are sold out.

Sometimes because of their 30%-40% off rates against AVs or IBs..

Quoting Avianca (Reply 5):
AirMadird has the 2-Letter Code NM, maybe Mount Cook the same or its a airliners.net foult.

Apparently NM was used by Mount Cook but it is currently assigned to Air Madrid. Is Mount Cook out of business?

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 7):
Pajares Salinas!.

A.K.A. Expensive restaurant in Bogota  Smile

Quoting Swisswings (Reply 12):
or regular (Iberia, Avianca).

Regular in terms of "usual" - "normal"? Or in terms of "Mediocre", please explain...

Quoting Swisswings (Reply 12):
(there are not too many either to Latin America)

Yeah* only all the airlines have Business class (..sighs..)

Quoting Swisswings (Reply 12):
whether low cost (Santa Barbara Airlines)

What??

Quoting Swisswings (Reply 17):
On-time performance in today's world is, as you may know, a problem in the airline industry across the world.

Yes, but that is one thing, another is lack of efficiency and organization...

Quoting Swisswings (Reply 17):
In your logic, you unfortunately have to add some of the airlines of your own country (e.g. Avianca) to your list of irresponsible carriers

Irresponsible? Are you talking about the AV before chapter 11th? Because AV is anything but irresponsible; I used to tell people that were going to use AV for the first time: "You might have a 1 hour delay, food might not be first class, but you can be sure that safety is not an issue". Nowadays even the short delays and food are improving.
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:41 pm

Quoting Fermarta (Thread starter):
Air Madrid should lease an additional plane for a few days to get its flights on schedule again.

May be some of you can help me with this...Doesn�t NM have an agreement with other IATA carriers whereas NM can endorse their tickets to other airlines in case of this kind of situations ? ( Even being a low cost )

Many times when an airline cannot board their passangers because of any reason, they just transfer them to other airline. O.K. this is not for free, but better this than causing all the mess and the bad publicity along with it.

By the way, Air Plus Comet has had similar problems, the last one in Zanzibar with a charter flight.

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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:41 pm

When booking at a company such as Air Madrid for such long-haul sectors, you should now you take a risk for 100€ of fare difference.

Still, I'm quite confident for them. Bookings are very high and the MAD-Latin America market is very lucrative.
I've heard from some Belgian pilots who flew there that life/working athmosphere is NOT easy at all at Air Madrid. Not enough F/As, rostering problems,... and when you are not Spanish life can become hell. A Belgian pilot has been blamed because he "dared" making a speech in english before the spanish one !!!


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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:44 pm

Quoting SQ773 (Reply 25):
Doesn�t NM have an agreement with other IATA carriers whereas NM can endorse their tickets to other airlines in case of this kind of situations ? ( Even being a low cost )

At least with Iberia, no, they don't. They codeshare with UX in the Ecuador flights. I don't know if the agreement includes endorsements only for these routes or for all of them. Anyway, the other airlines doesn't have many seats available these days.

NM just keep announcing new flights. They just said that from October they will fly from Barcelona to Latin America and from 2006 from Seville and Malaga to China.
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Mon Aug 08, 2005 6:51 pm

Quoting Fermarta (Reply 27):

NM just keep announcing new flights. They just said that from October they will fly from Barcelona to Latin America and from 2006 from Seville and Malaga to China.

Flights from Seville and Malaga to China sounds strange! Will it be two flights a month?
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:19 am

Today appear on a respected Colombian newspaper, this article about the riots:

http://www.portafolio.com.co/port_se...B-NOTA_INTERIOR_PORTA-2177246.html

(In Spanish)
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:17 am

Those delays seem to be pretty normal on Air Madrid. I found a comment on www.airlinequality.com Here it is


Air Madrid - by Christine Caine

28 June 2005

We booked a holiday with Soltours from Madrid to Puerto Plata, Dominican Republic, the flight was with Aiir Madrid, but when we arrived at the ticket desk we were told very casually that there was a 7 hour delay! We were offered to meet at 4pm in a cafe for something to eat...this turned out to be a small sandwich and a soft drink! Then we waited again without any information whatsoever until finally we were boarded. We were then kept on the plane a further hour whilst waiting for a slot to leave. Now we are in the Dominican Rep. There has been a notice on the info board for 3 days saying there will be delays on our return. How can they possibly know this unless they don't have enough planes to fly everyone home! This has been a disgusting and tedious HOLIDAY! We are supposed to leave today at 3 but have now been told that we must leave the rooms then but suspected to leave for the airport at 8pm for a flight at 12pm POSSIBLY. This is simply just not good enough. My opinion is that they over booked, sold seats they didn't have and we have to suffer the consequences. Ask me and my fellow 200 odd passengers would we fly with Air Madrid again, well it is obviously a resounding No!



After all I know so far, I will definitely not fly AirMadrid for the moment.
 
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Wed Aug 10, 2005 5:00 am

Southamerica (Reply 20): On-time performance means departing (arriving) the gate within I think 15 minutes of the scheduled departure time.
In that respect, on-time performance is an industry problem.
For sure, for the customer a 20 minutes wait is often not a problem, while a 24 hours wait can jeopardize much of your planning.

Ricariza (Reply 24).
By regular I referred to the non low-cost carriers. There is a number of mediocre airlines to Latin America but that was not what I was referring to.
For your other comments, please refer to my last post as you are misreading my comments. I was using Southamerica's definition of irresponsibility.
 
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Wed Aug 10, 2005 5:15 am

Do they really charge 25 euros for a sandwhich?  Wow!
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Wed Aug 10, 2005 5:39 am

Quoting Swisswings (Reply 31):
In that respect, on-time performance is an industry problem.

I believe we'll have to agree to disagree then, because I simply cannot understand how can somebody actually consider to give an airline "a break", when they've made you wait for 24 vulgar hours under blue skies. But hey, what else could the passengers expect from an airline who is looking to eagerly serve three dozens of destinations scattered between Tijuana and Ushuaia with less than a handfull of planes.

The official definition of on-time performance has very little importance here; it's almost always seen as a tacit obligation anyway, and it's one of the few common expectancies between the travellers who choose the full-frills airline and the ones who go for the low-cost carrier; and, at least for me, USD100 less will never hide the responsability that the airline has of taking you from point A to B efficiently and safe.



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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Wed Aug 10, 2005 5:46 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 32):
Do they really charge 25 euros for a sandwhich?

not really, but its expensive check airmadrid.com
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Wed Aug 10, 2005 5:49 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 32):
Do they really charge 25 euros for a sandwhich?

In their defense its a really good sandwich  Big grin Big grin
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Wed Aug 10, 2005 5:58 am

Quoting Fermarta (Thread starter):
Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Why do you say "riot"? Yesterday's International Herald Tribune said "Refused to leave the aircraft". "Riot" is a very long stretch...

Could it be a stunt to attract more readers to your thread?

Anyway, everything I've heard about Air Madrid is bad, so we'll just have to wait and see wether people can endure extremely crappy service and unreliability, just as long the tickets cost marginally less...?

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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:05 am

I've just seen on their homepage, that on the A340 they obvioulsy offer a first class, called "Primera" and "Grande Class". They sell those tickets for more than 3'000 Euros. I am really doubting that with delays they showed in the past and such rather high prices, they can sell this product. They might be cheap in Economy - although not that much if you compare with my previous post comparing prices - but they are definitely not in biz and first. Their business class as well looks a little like a joke to me. Their cabin lay out is 2 - 3 - 2 seats and not that much legroom either.
 
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:16 pm

Quoting Doona (Reply 36):
Why do you say "riot"?

I work at MAD Airport and what it is happening here these days with Air Madrid is a riot, i.e. a violent disturbance. The Herald Tribune is probably translating from a press release. Of course, you can always choose whom to believe...

Quoting Doona (Reply 36):
Could it be a stunt to attract more readers to your thread?

...and it seems you already have.

Un saludo.
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Thu Aug 11, 2005 1:10 am

Quoting Swisswings (Reply 31):
Ricariza (Reply 24).
By regular I referred to the non low-cost carriers. There is a number of mediocre airlines to Latin America but that was not what I was referring to.
For your other comments, please refer to my last post as you are misreading my comments. I was using Southamerica's definition of irresponsibility

You are right, I misunderstood it. I just read your post again and it is clear to me that what you are actually saying is "There are other items that are more important (safety, for example) and not respecting these may be irresponsible". My bad, sorry.
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:11 am

A couple of days ago, there was a problem with Air Madrid passengers bound for SJO and PTY, the check-in counter personnel just stopped working and didn't check them in, even if they had arrived on-time for the check-in.
The Spanish Guardia Civil @ MAD had to be called to calm the angry passengers.
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Thu Aug 11, 2005 5:09 am

Ricariza: No hay problema.
 
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:07 am

Any pictures of their C and F class seats ?
Thanks
 
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:28 am

There is only little information on www.airmadrid.com about the seats. But as they got the A340 ex Air France, I could imagine that they left the interior, this could be an explanation why they do have first class on this aircraft.
Anyhow, for the moment it rather looks that you will spend more time in those chairs in the departure hall than on the plane if you choose Air Madrid Big grin Big grin
 
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:22 pm

Quoting Fermarta (Reply 38):
Quoting Doona (Reply 36):
Could it be a stunt to attract more readers to your thread?

...and it seems you already have.

Hehe, you got me there!  whiteflag 

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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:01 pm

I had posted on some of these delays about a week ago. The 3 flights a week into SJO/PTY suffered something like 16, 12, and 5 hours' delay (the 12 and 5 hour delays were on the Thrusday flight, the 16-hour delay on the sunday flight, which ended up leaving monday morning).

Does anyone know the reason for the delay in LIM?
 
latinaviation
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Sat Aug 13, 2005 12:05 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 32):
Aug 9 2005 22:15:04 UTC+2 and read 1103 times:


Do they really charge 25 euros for a sandwhich?

According to their site it is 15 euro for a hot meal. See
http://www.airmadrid.com/restaurante1.do
 
ilgrancapo
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Sat Aug 13, 2005 12:09 am

Quoting Flyfirst (Reply 42):
Any pictures of their C and F class seats ?

No pictures but 2-2-2 configured seats in Business Class
 
Aisak
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RE: Air Madrid Passengers Riot At MAD

Sat Aug 13, 2005 8:00 am

about the "riot", delays, cancelations and posible fines...
EFE - News agency

AENA ha decidido enviar a Aviación Civil toda la información que obra en su poder relativa a los incidentes protagonizados en los últimos días por la compañía Air Madrid en diversos vuelos con origen y destino en el Aeropuerto de Madrid-Barajas.


Con esta medida, la Dirección General de Aviación Civil podría incoar expediente disciplinario a esta compañía del que podría derivarse medidas sancionadoras y, en su caso, la retirada de los "slots", informó a Efe AENA.

La compañía Air Madrid ha sufrido retrasos en sus vuelos en los últimos días por los que cientos de viajeros han presentado reclamaciones y han protagonizaron diversas protestas en Barajas, aunque hoy anunció que en un plazo de "entre 12 y 24 horas" se estabilizará su programación.

meaning for the no-spanish speakers:
The public airport manager AENA every information regarding last Air Madrid incidents around several in-outbound flights at Barajas airport.
The meassures to take from Civil Aviation Dept. could be fining the airline and, occasionally, removing its slots.