SKA380
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High Speed Flight On A 747

Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:03 am

I was about to reply to the post about high speed fligths on a 747, but somehow it got deleted.. So here's my story..

I went with Lufthansa from Manila to Bangkok, and they were a bit over 7 hours delayed from Manila..
First of all, they used 20(!!!) minutes to turn the aircraft around in Manila (from when they parked at the gate, to we were starting the engines already pushed back) I didn't think this was possible with a 744.

Then, when we approached Bangkok (we were still on cruise altitude, and were placed right over the dot that indicated BKK on the zoomed in map), i heard the captain say over the speakers "dear passengers, plz fasten your seatbelts, and hold on!" (LOL) Followed by a steep dive witch made me hang in my seatbelt.
On the way down the IFE indicated a groundspeed of 990 km/h! The entire aircraft was shaking and making noises i've never heard on any aircrafts.. I fly longhaul on a regular basis, and i love flying. But this is the only time i've ever been nervous..
Needless to say, when we arrived at the gate we were practically chased out..
Talk about German efficiency on its best!

Definitely my most memorable flight ever..

Has anyone experienced anything similar?

Leif
 
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RE: High Speed Flight On A 747

Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:14 pm

Quoting SKA380 (Thread starter):
I was about to reply to the post about high speed fligths on a 747, but somehow it got deleted..

SKA380, if you were looking for this thread Has Any Body Flown On A 747 At Full Speed? (by 747400sp Aug 7 2005 in Aviation Polls & Prefs) it is (now) in Forum Polls&Prefs.
I think it was moved to there ...

Quoting SKA380 (Thread starter):
indicated a groundspeed of 990 km/h!

Can you remember what the head-/tailwind was ?

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RE: High Speed Flight On A 747

Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:39 pm

fast flights can be fun, i think i've had three i can remember, one, on a UA 744 from Ord to Nrt, landed 40 mins early, another, an AA 763 from chicago to Paris, we hit a substantial tail wind enroute and landed an hour early and the most memorable one on an AA A300 from JFK to London, we made it across the pond in 5h45 mins. i nicknamed that plane "Smokin 73" i seem to recall on the last one, the A300, we were hitting ground speeds of over 700 mph at times, with a 100 mph tail wind. fun times.
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RE: High Speed Flight On A 747

Mon Aug 08, 2005 6:55 pm

Quoting SKA380 (Thread starter):
I went with Lufthansa from Manila to Bangkok, and they were a bit over 7 hours delayed from Manila..
First of all, they used 20(!!!) minutes to turn the aircraft around in Manila (from when they parked at the gate, to we were starting the engines already pushed back) I didn't think this was possible with a 744.

I suppose that's possible if there were not that many passengers leaving at that point and LH had loaded the containers properly, which unfortunately isn't all that common! If they just need a couple of tins off then it can be done pretty quickly (assuming no cargo either). Presumably the flight was tankering enough fuel as well.

Quoting SKA380 (Thread starter):
The entire aircraft was shaking and making noises i've never heard on any aircrafts..

Ages ago, I was on an IB 722 which did an incredibly fast descent over London into LHR. Now that was a ride! Presumably ATC found your flight a quick slot into the arrivals pattern to help out with the delay rather than shoving it into a stack.

It's nothing out of the ordinary but when a pilot starts 'flying' the aircraft rather than a normal smooth computerised kind of approach, then some of the noises and effects that used to be common in aviation come into play.

Many airports also have noise abatement approaches whoch necessitate a steeper descent at the later part of the approach, and those can be fun too. Again it's nothing unusual. The speed brakes can be a little bit noisy as well when used to dump lift and reduce height.
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RE: High Speed Flight On A 747

Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:13 pm

In 1993, I was flying a Balkan T154 from Oslo Gardermoen to Varna. The flight crew told us that we will soon start descending. I was standing up putting something onto the overhead shelves (no overhead lockers) when suddenly the floor dropped under me and I was "flying" in the air. Ten minutes later, we were on the ground. That was my fastest descent ever.
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RE: High Speed Flight On A 747

Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:53 pm

Quoting HT (Reply 1):
Quoting SKA380 (Thread starter):
indicated a groundspeed of 990 km/h!

Can you remember what the head-/tailwind was ?

I have no idea. All i know we were practically doing a free fall drop (or so it felt)

The pax were indeed chaced out when they arrived at gate in Manila also, but still.. 20 minutes??

Leif
 
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RE: High Speed Flight On A 747

Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:03 pm

I once crossed from JFK-LHR in 5:30 and a friend of mine believes he did it in 5:10 (seatbelt signs on throughout flight...). It all depends on the tailwind I guess
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RE: High Speed Flight On A 747

Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:58 pm

Had a similar situation on a ORD-AMS flight on a 747 - we made the trip in 6 hours obviously with a stong tail wind. we even had our departure from ORD delayed by 40 minutes so we wouldn't arrive at AMS too early before night quotas ended.
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RE: High Speed Flight On A 747

Mon Aug 08, 2005 9:25 pm

Quoting SKA380 (Thread starter):
On the way down the IFE indicated a groundspeed of 990 km/h!

Due to tail wind, no doubt. I've flown from JFK to AMS with a ground speed of +1300 km/h.
 
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RE: High Speed Flight On A 747

Mon Aug 08, 2005 9:29 pm

Been in several 744 several times when the ground speen exceeded 1200km/h. Thats quite high speed I think.  Smile Must be strong tail winds as well I presume.
 
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RE: High Speed Flight On A 747

Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:32 pm

I once flew JFK-LHR in under 4 hours


oh wait, that was on the concorde.....hehe
 
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RE: High Speed Flight On A 747

Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:35 pm

When I flew from ATL-CPT on SAA non stop we arrived One hour and thirty minutes early which was VERY VERY welcomed.
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RE: High Speed Flight On A 747

Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:52 pm

Occasionally our BOS-LHR flight will come in at a whisker under 5 hours. this is only when being operated by a B744, and generally in spring or fall when the jetstream is at its strongest. This is the only US-UK flight I can think of that can cut the 5 hour barrier. The fastest I can actually find is 4h 52m - pretty quick!. You would need tailwinds in excess of 100mph for most of the crossing but it does happen.

Some other quick ones if anyones interested.

LAS-LGW: 8h 29m
JFK-LHR: 5h 6m
MIA-LHR: 7h 4m
LHR-HKG: 10h 19m

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RE: High Speed Flight On A 747

Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:55 am

the PTV on VS15 in MArch that i flew indicated a ground speed of 742mph...we were booking. (MCO-LGW)
 
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RE: High Speed Flight On A 747

Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:50 am

Quoting Philaboy (Reply 10):
I once flew JFK-LHR in under 4 hours

oh wait, that was on the concorde.....hehe

I really awaited that someone would bring up THAT statement in this thread  biggrin 

Anybody done that route faster yet ?
Any F-4 or SR-71 jockeys out there ?

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RE: High Speed Flight On A 747

Tue Aug 09, 2005 2:37 am

Quoting Vunz (Reply 8):
On the way down the IFE indicated a groundspeed of 990 km/h!

I have also flown more than 1200 km/h in a 747..

and last year I flew an SKA330 from Washington Dulles to CPH.. it actually reached 1133 km/h at one point!
Thats pretty well done for that aircraft I think
 
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RE: High Speed Flight On A 747

Tue Aug 09, 2005 4:25 am

Quoting HT (Reply 14):
Anybody done that route faster yet ?

Ask the Astronauts!!
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RE: High Speed Flight On A 747

Tue Aug 09, 2005 4:31 am

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 3):
Ages ago, I was on an IB 722 which did an incredibly fast descent over London into LHR. Now that was a ride! Presumably ATC found your flight a quick slot into the arrivals pattern to help out with the delay rather than shoving it into a stack.

Back in the 80's I was on a C-130 over Treasure Island in SF Bay that was on a normal downwind pattern to land at the now-closed NAS Alameda. All of a sudden, the pilot announced that we needed to land quickly, because of another a/c that declared an emergency. We immediately banked hard left, quickly descended, and landed safely. It was almost better than an amusement park thrill ride.....
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RE: High Speed Flight On A 747

Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:00 am

A few years ago I flew from antigua to LGW on a 767-300 and we made landfall in a little over 4.5 hours. There were 150mph tailwinds for most of the flight the aircraft was flown at high power and it was very bumpy all the way. Unfortunately Gatwick was closed because of snow and we had to hold for about 2 hours before we could land. Even then it was a quick trip.
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RE: High Speed Flight On A 747

Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:19 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 17):
Back in the 80's I was on a C-130 over Treasure Island in SF Bay that was on a normal downwind pattern to land at the now-closed NAS Alameda. All of a sudden, the pilot announced that we needed to land quickly, because of another a/c that declared an emergency. We immediately banked hard left, quickly descended, and landed safely. It was almost better than an amusement park thrill ride.....

Ah yes... C130 combat landings... Nothing like them.

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RE: High Speed Flight On A 747

Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:32 am

I remember back in 1988 while on a flight from PPT-LAX, I was on a UTA DC-10 and we had a medical emergency enroute after a passenger had a heart attack in the first class cabin. The captain informed us that he was gonna make a run at it full throttle because we were closer to LAX rather than a diversion to HNL. Our flight was scheduled to land at 10:30 pm and we actually arrived at 8:15.
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RE: High Speed Flight On A 747

Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:07 am

The first time I ever had to work the lower lobe galley on the DC10, we did LAX-MIA in 3hr 31min. Helluva tailwind. Barely got the carts back in time!
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