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Why No IAH-BUR Nonstop?

Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:45 am

Im sorry that I had to kick off my first post w/ a stupid question

I was just wondering why there is no nonstop service to Burbank from Houston. I would assume it would due well w/ O&D. I hate traveling to LAX during the holiday season. My only easy alternative is connecting in DFW w/ AA. It's not fair that DFW gets a nonstops to BUR and not IAH  Sad

sorry if this has been discussed.

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RE: Why No IAH-BUR Nonstop?

Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:58 am

Good question.

I'm not sure when the last time Continental served Burbank. Could be during its Denver Stapleton hub days.

I would think the carrier could fill a couple B737s or even several Continental Express Embraers between Houston and Burbank.
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RE: Why No IAH-BUR Nonstop?

Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:14 am

I guess they figured with LAX, ONT and SNA, they pretty much got the area covered...

BTW, does a CO codeshare partner (NW, DL, etc.) serve BUR? From where?
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RE: Why No IAH-BUR Nonstop?

Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:22 am

Not a dumb question at all. Two or three times daily 73G service would be very viable on Continental. Only rarely would it hit weight restrictions as the 73G is the perfect a/c to operate out of BUR. The problem for Continental at BUR is that the ticket counter lobby is now full and it would have to share a gate with another airline. Your best bet is to lobby Southwest for a non-stop to Hobby  Wink
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RE: Why No IAH-BUR Nonstop?

Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:22 am

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 2):



Quoting Homer71 (Reply 2):
BTW, does a CO codeshare partner (NW, DL, etc.) serve BUR? From where?

I think you would have to connect in SLC for DL, and I dont think NW serves
BUR

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RE: Why No IAH-BUR Nonstop?

Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:29 am

Burbank doesn't have much room, and CO would need to have many flights daily. They could easily fill them, but don't seem to want to. Maybe they don't want to open another western station that only serves IAH but not EWR or CLE? And with BUR limitations, serving CLE and EWR would be too much of a hassle.

I would much prefer they flew into BUR, as it is closer/easier than LAX for me, too.
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RE: Why No IAH-BUR Nonstop?

Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:30 am

No Northwest in Burbank, however Delta has a presence with CRJs to SLC and a single daily B757 to Atlanta.
At one time Delta was one of the larger operators at Burbank following its takeover of Western.
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RE: Why No IAH-BUR Nonstop?

Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:40 am

Could the 752s from CO make it to EWR and CLE fully loaded under all conditions? I know the 757 is ideal for this, but is the runway too short and weather/wind potentially too unfavorable?

Of course, the idea of filling 752s to CLE is pretty crazy, but I suppose 1 or 2 a day to EWR could work, and be more reliable than B6. It would also make having the station make more economic sense, with 2x EWR and 4x IAH a day.
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RE: Why No IAH-BUR Nonstop?

Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:48 am

I remember one of the times i flew out of BUR, i think Xmas of 98, It was an AA M80 via DFW, we had to unload fuel so we can take off and stop in PHX to refuel. yadda yadda yadda i missed my AA flight to IAH, but the good news was i got to ride ATR72 to Hobby. It was a cool expierence, 1st time on a prop.

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RE: Why No IAH-BUR Nonstop?

Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:01 pm

well, the 73G has better performance on a 1500 mile flight than an MD80, as it wouldn't need a full load of fuel, but the MD80 would be much closer to MTOW.
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RE: Why No IAH-BUR Nonstop?

Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:15 pm

DL flies a daily 757 ATL-BUR, I wanted to fly that one, but never got around to it. Kept going to LAX instead.

But I think the real issue why CO does not fly IAH-BUR is because WN has such a good position @ BUR. WN would be flying BUR-HOU if the market dictated a need for the flight. CO and COEX also already flies to LAX, SNA, and ONT. That is actually pretty good coverage of Southern California for an airline of CO's size.

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RE: Why No IAH-BUR Nonstop?

Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:35 pm

Quoting B4real (Reply 10):
WN would be flying BUR-HOU if the market dictated a need for the flight.

But it isn't about Houston traffic, but BUR-IAH would be about connections beyond IAH on CO, including to central and south america. WN can't provide that through HOU. WN can provide connections through LAS though, which they do.

But I think you are right, and that if anything CO would increase frequency at LAX before adding BUR. After all, CO's LAX frequency is below the pre911 frequency, and with smaller planes. There was a time when CO ran IAH-LAX hourly, and more than 6 flights a day to EWR. Rather than adding 3-4 BUR frequencies, they have room for 3-4 more LAX frequencies. Rather than add BUR-EWR, they could add a 9:30am or 1:30pm LAX-EWR.
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RE: Why No IAH-BUR Nonstop?

Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:47 pm

Kind off topic but can anyone explain to me why WN is starting BUR to MDW on saturdays this september? Kind of random isn't it? BUR to Houston would have made more sense to me.
 
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RE: Why No IAH-BUR Nonstop?

Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:42 am

BUR to MDW makes total sense, now that the transcon service is picking up out of there. UA doesn't even have a nonstop to ORD from BUR. I think a chicago route would be great. Brings to mind when UA operated a twice daily nonstop BUR-ORD with a 767-200 back in 86/87. Deffinately CO would be a great addition especially if they did BUR-EWR and BUR/IAH with 757 service.
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RE: Why No IAH-BUR Nonstop?

Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:46 am

Quoting Thelowfarehero (Reply 13):
Deffinately CO would be a great addition especially if they did BUR-EWR and BUR/IAH with 757 service.

But that's such a big plane to fill. And 24F or 16BF seats to boot. 73G would be more likely, but I still think they'd expand more at LAX, even though personally I'd love BUR service.
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RE: Why No IAH-BUR Nonstop?

Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:03 am

If CO started service to BUR from IAH it would undoubtedly go to an XR with perhaps a 735 on some days. Ultimately it would probably go to 73G--I doubt a 757 would go on the route before IAH-LAX recieves a round of increases. They don't even use a 757 on the IAH-SNA route--besides 752s are becoming more precious as they introduce them on international flights.
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RE: Why No IAH-BUR Nonstop?

Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:56 am

Well, I wouldn't mind an ERJ to BUR. I travel to L.A.(Santa Clarita) twice a year, and BUR is a lot closer to Santa Clarita than any other L.A. airport. I would prefer CO b/c I've racked up quite a few miles on them. Oh well, I guess I'm just gonna have suck it up and stick to LAX. Thanx for all the responses.

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RE: Why No IAH-BUR Nonstop?

Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:10 am

Quoting Omad420 (Thread starter):
I hate traveling to LAX during the holiday season.

Why?

Quoting Omad420 (Thread starter):
It's not fair that DFW gets a nonstops to BUR and not IAH

Not fair? AA has a MUCH bigger Los Angeles area presence that CO and is a larger carrier anyway. It makes sense that AA would have more service at BUR

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 2):
BTW, does a CO codeshare partner (NW, DL, etc.) serve BUR? From where?

NW doesn't fly to BUR

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
Could the 752s from CO make it to EWR and CLE fully loaded under all conditions?

Beyond Easily

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
I know the 757 is ideal for this, but is the runway too short and weather/wind potentially too unfavorable?

First, the runway is not too short. The 752 has better runway performance than ANY 737 and longer pure range to boot. DL flies their 752 to ATL from BUR as it is, which means CLE would be a breeze. EWR within the range of a 73G or 738 from BUR (as well as a weight-restricted A320) so a 752 will make it without breaking a sweat

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 12):
Kind of random isn't it?

Not really. WN often tests markets with Saturday only flights first.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):
But that's such a big plane to fill. And 24F or 16BF seats to boot.

BUR can fill F seats easily

Quoting Omad420 (Reply 16):
I travel to L.A.(Santa Clarita) twice a year, and BUR is a lot closer to Santa Clarita than any other L.A. airport.

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RE: Why No IAH-BUR Nonstop?

Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:32 am

A little off the beaten path, but I was just wondering if B6 might be thinking of expanding service to FLL and IAD from BUR once the EMB 120's come online and free up the a320's from the short haul east coast routes.
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RE: Why No IAH-BUR Nonstop?

Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:35 am

From what I hear, IAH-BUR is in CO's plans, with initial service operated by COEX with ER145s....dont look for the EWR-BUR service anytime soon, and forget about CLE-BUR.
 
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RE: Why No IAH-BUR Nonstop?

Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:45 am

CLE-BUR i really dont see happening whatsoever. Highly doubt CLE has that kind of market here. Would be great to add CO. My office overlooks rwy 8. Great view too! I do miss seing those AQ bids of paradise though.
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RE: Why No IAH-BUR Nonstop?

Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:00 am

Hi everyone - new member, first post.

I am a controller at BUR, and would love to see more options out of there. I have always wondered why WN has not started some longer flights. Admittedly there is limited space at the terminal (thanks to the idiot NIMBYs), but with DL and B6 going to ATL and JFK, I was wondering if the others were considering adding some distance and choices for direct flights.

We have several controllers that would love to see B6 to FLL, but we all know it's probably a pipe dream.

Anyone out there "in the know" about any new plans for BUR, I'd love to know. Thanks.

Off topic, but they are supposed to start construction on a new taxiway abeam the terminal with high speeds early next year. That should greatly help with GA aircraft exiting runway 8, since they won't have to 180 or go into the terminal area.
 
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RE: Why No IAH-BUR Nonstop?

Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:01 am

Like i said earlier, when i go to L.A. i actually go to Santa Clarita, I went last Thanksgiving, and it took almost 3 hours to get from LAX to my cousins in Santa Clarita,( I know all you L.A. natives are used to the traffic) BUR is just a hell of a lot closer, more convenient and less B.S.
I would connect in DEN, DFW, PHX or LAS, but I'd rather stay w/ CO and rack up some miles, Plus connecting sucks if your vacation is only 5 days. Thats why I will stick to LAX until Express Jet starts service one day. I just think IAH-BUR is long overdue.

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RE: Why No IAH-BUR Nonstop?

Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:09 am

Quoting Thelowfarehero (Reply 18):

A little off the beaten path, but I was just wondering if B6 might be thinking of expanding service to FLL and IAD from BUR once the EMB 120's come online and free up the a320's from the short haul east coast routes.

I thought B6 was getting EMB-190's ?

Does WN service BUR-HOU?
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RE: Why No IAH-BUR Nonstop?

Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:23 am

Quoting Omad420 (Reply 22):
I would connect in DEN, DFW, PHX or LAS, but I'd rather stay w/ CO and rack up some miles

I did not mean connect, I meant just fly to LAS and drive from there. It is not that far from Santa Clarita

Quoting Omad420 (Reply 22):
Thats why I will stick to LAX until Express Jet starts service one day. I just think IAH-BUR is long overdue.

If CO did start service, the loads, yields and Burbank heat would likely call for a 737

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 23):
Quoting Thelowfarehero (Reply 18):

A little off the beaten path, but I was just wondering if B6 might be thinking of expanding service to FLL and IAD from BUR once the EMB 120's come online and free up the a320's from the short haul east coast routes.

I thought B6 was getting EMB-190's ?

They are getting E190s, and they don't have the range to make BUR from FLL or IAD

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 23):
Does WN service BUR-HOU?

No
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RE: Why No IAH-BUR Nonstop?

Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:23 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 19):
initial service operated by COEX with ER145s

yeah, I want to fly in an ER145 over 3 hours with no IFE, no place to put a reasonable carry on, etc. Flying them from IAH-SRQ is tedious enough.

especially since those planes are notoriously hot while on the ground. ER145 in the 100 degree burbank day.

COEX/CO really need some E175s...
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RE: Why No IAH-BUR Nonstop?

Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:48 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 24):
Quoting MD90fan (Reply 23):
Does WN service BUR-HOU?

No

No non-stops, but connections thru Las Vegas or PHX.

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RE: Why No IAH-BUR Nonstop?

Tue Aug 09, 2005 11:30 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 24):
I did not mean connect, I meant just fly to LAS and drive from there. It is not that far from Santa Clarita

Are you kidding me? I'm better off flying through ONT, SNA and maybe even SAN. It's like a four hour drive not counting traffic if I flew though LAS. It defeats the purpose of avoiding LAX, but I agree w/ you guys saying it should be a 73G service. I just read somewhere on this site that its a proposed ERJ service. I think it would be cool of CO or Express Jet got E170's. Then they would probably get rid of those 735's.

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