SHUPirate1
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Q1 2005 Breakeven Loadfactors:

Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:08 pm

American Trans Air 217.2%
Independence 123.1%
Continental 106.2%
Northwest 94.2%
Alaska 90.8%
Midwest 89.2%
Delta 88.9%
United 86.9%
US Airways 84.2%
Hawaiian 82.5%
Spirit 81.9%
American 80.4%
jetBlue 79.6%
Frontier 79.5%
Aloha 76.8%
Horizon 76.3%
Air Wisconsin 74.2%
America West 72.7%
airTran 72.6%
Atlantic Southeast 70.3%
Skywest 66.5%
Continental Micronesia 63.3%
Comair 63.2%
ExpressJet 63.0%
Mesaba 62.9%
Southwest 60.4%
Trans States 59.1%
Mesa 58.9%
Executive 56.5%
American Eagle 55.8%
North American 47.6%

Note: all numbers taken verbatim from DOT documents...
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RE: Q1 2005 Breakeven Loadfactors:

Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:20 pm

Looks like ATA will have to start selling tickets for "seats" in the baggage hold. Wink
 
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RE: Q1 2005 Breakeven Loadfactors:

Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:31 pm

wow, i can't believe american's is so low, and United has the 3rd lowest of the legacies...
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artsyman
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RE: Q1 2005 Breakeven Loadfactors:

Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:40 pm

Continental 106.2% is not an accurate figure at all. The official numbers for Q1 for Continental were:

January - 87%
February - 89%
March - 84%

2Q - Continental far exceeded the breakeven load factor by almost 10%, and seem to be a trend continuing this Q too.
 
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RE: Q1 2005 Breakeven Loadfactors:

Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:41 pm

So I guess Continental must have done something to bring down breakeven in Q2 otherwise I don't see them making that profit.
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SHUPirate1
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RE: Q1 2005 Breakeven Loadfactors:

Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:52 pm

artsyman-I got that figure DIRECTLY from DOT documents, verbatim...

http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/finance/fin20051.pdf

http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/finance/nat0503p.pdf

The top one is for carriers that made more than $1,000,000,000 in revenue, and the bottom is for carriers that made between $100,000,000 and $999,999,999 in revenue.
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SHUPirate1
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RE: Q1 2005 Breakeven Loadfactors:

Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:00 pm

But yes, that 106.2% breakeven loadfactor doesn't stand up to my own auditing skills, much like North American's -15.1%...83.5% is the number I calculated out, and is a more likely breakeven loadfactor for Continental.
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artsyman
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RE: Q1 2005 Breakeven Loadfactors:

Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:30 pm

I am sure there must be some merit to the DOT numbers, but they are not an accurate reflection at all of what is happening on the ground. If they were, then you'd have seen UAL make money, and CO lose a ridiculously large amount, yet almost the opposite happened in reality.

Maybe it is based on domestic only or something like that.

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RE: Q1 2005 Breakeven Loadfactors:

Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:40 pm

Those numbers in the report can be a bit misleading. For instance look at ATA's numbers for other quarters and you will see they are drastically different. Look further and why are the expenses for the quarter almost double the same quarter in the previos year. The answer is found in their SEC filing for the quarter which shows a reorganization expense of $318,483,000 for the quarter. That will throw numbers way off for the quarter.

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