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Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:25 pm

Are there or have there ever been arrangements between airlines whereby they share aircraft? Say airline A flies from its home base to airline B's home base, then during airline A's "down time", airline B makes use of the aircraft to serve another city? While wet leases come to mind, any other partnerships where this has been taken to a higher level? Would countries have issues with such arrangements when giving out licenses?
 
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:28 pm

I seem to remember there was some sort of agreement between BA & US many years ago. US aircraft painted in BA colors with US crew flying BA routes (LHR). Anyone confirm?
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:37 pm

Back in the 1980s, AA and AS had a 727 interchange that linked Texas with Alaska using very unique 727s -- they were painted in AA's standard silver with red/white/blue cheatline on one side, and AS' white with the eskimo on the other. They flew on the routing IAH-DFW-SEA-ANC-FAI, with AA crews flying the plane IAH-DFW-SEA, and AS crews then taking over for SEA-ANC-FAI.
 
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:39 pm

It's called an "interchange" here, and the only ones that readily come to mind were Braniff (v1.0) and Alaska, and later, American and Alaska. It was an Alaska 727-200, and Braniff/American flew it DFW-SEA, and an Alaska crew would take it SEA-ANC...
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:47 pm

Back in the DC10 era NZ and BA had an agreement. NZ would fly a DC10 from AKL-LAX with NZ crew and BA would fly the DC10 from LAX-LHR with BA crews
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:48 pm

Aircraft interchanges were pretty common in the US especially in the early 1970s. Such interchanges allowed airlines to often service markets which they did not hold CAB authority to serve on their own.

Then there are also seasonal leases. Transavia Holland and Air Florida for many years used to regularly exchange B737-200s during their respective high seasons. Air Florida aircraft would head for Europe in the summer, while Transavia 737s would come over to the US in the winter.
Sun Country also in recent years has exchanged 737-800s with Transavia.
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:48 pm

In the 80s QF and NZ shared flights from WLG to SYD, MEL and BNE. The aircraft had both NZ and QF titles on it
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:54 pm

What about the short period that Air France operated some sub-sonic Concorde flights for Braniff on US domestic routes? If I recall correctly, there were Braniff crews on those flights, and the flights were mostly JFK-DFW.
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:57 pm

Quoting TUNisia (Reply 1):
I seem to remember there was some sort of agreement between BA & US many years ago. US aircraft painted in BA colors with US crew flying BA routes (LHR). Anyone confirm?

i would say that was 1993 when US airways and BA had the alliance

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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:09 pm

Quoting TUNisia (Reply 1):
I seem to remember there was some sort of agreement between BA & US many years ago. US aircraft painted in BA colors with US crew flying BA routes (LHR). Anyone confirm?

Yes, BA and US did this with 767's and 747's out of PIT

And I know US did not have 747's but some of the crew on the 747's worked for US but wore BA uniforms IIRC, not sure of all the details but I know a few people that worked these flights and non-revved on them several times.



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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:12 pm

If im not right F9 Jetexpress and QX share the same RJs sometimes. . QX is the sole owner.
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:00 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 5):
Aircraft interchanges were pretty common in the US especially in the early 1970s

But were more common in the 1950s through 1970s.
By the 1970s many airlines were getting their own route authorities eliminating the need for such cooperations.

Back when the CAB carved up the country; dictating where airlines could and could not fly; interchanges were the only way an airline could expand into new territories, that was until they were awarded their own flights.

Delta/PanAm from London to Atlanta and New Orleans via Washington D.C..
Eastern/Braniff had a 10-stop monster from Atlanta to Denver.
Hughers AirWest/Frontier from SoCal to Denver.
Alaska/American to DFW/IAH and ORD/DCA from ANC via SEA.
Alaska/Continental to DEN/MCI from ANC via SEA.
United/Braniff SEA to DAL/HOU via PDX, BOI and SLC.
United/Continental SEA to ICT and TUL.
Plus the 3-way ABC, American, Braniff, Contiental, southern transcontinental route.
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:40 pm

If we go back in history a bit, around 1939 - 49, QF & BAs precessors used to pool aircraft between SYD & LON. QF put in one third of them and BA two thirds. Aircraft operated right thru from SYD to LON & return. QF crewed aircraft SYD-SIN & BA SIN-LON.

QF also do cruse charters all over Europe using B744s that would otherwise sit at LHR all day, are these on QFs own account or in some way done in conjuction with BA? as I dont think QF have traffic right to all the places they have been reported.

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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:47 pm

with the A380's commin in would it be possible to have one airline operating with their format upstairs and another downstairs for example:
Qantas up stairs and NZ downstairs offering both their layouts??? i think its possible. and could work well if it was implemented correctley
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:54 pm

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 13):
Qantas up stairs and NZ downstairs offering both their layouts??? i think its possible. and could work well if it was implemented correctley

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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:23 pm

wasn't one of the early concordes painted with 2 aircraft titles on either side?

might have been BOAC/BA and either SQ or Gulf Air...

Can anyone confirm?
 
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:29 pm

"Qantas up stairs and NZ downstairs offering both their layouts??? i think its possible. and could work well if it was implemented correctley"

So if QF doesn't treat you right, you just pop downstairs!  laughing 

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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:06 pm

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 12):

QF also do cruse charters all over Europe using B744s that would otherwise sit at LHR all day, are these on QFs own account or in some way done in conjuction with BA? as I dont think QF have traffic right to all the places they have been reported.

Charters do not need traffic rights in the same way that scheduled services do. All that is needed is permission from the CAA for the foreign airline to operate the service on behalf of the chartering company, which is nothing like as complex as a scheduled service application.
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Mon Aug 08, 2005 9:02 pm

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 17):

I was not thinking of UK traffic rights, I presume that was worked out a
l-o-n-g time ago, after 70 years of service the UK & Oz should have it worked out! I was thinking more of rights into European countries that QF has never served. I belive that they have done charters to BCN for example. Spain has never been on QFs radar, even in the days of 10 day/22 stop trips.

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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Mon Aug 08, 2005 9:17 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 5):
Then there are also seasonal leases. Transavia Holland and Air Florida for many years used to regularly exchange B737-200s during their respective high seasons. Air Florida aircraft would head for Europe in the summer, while Transavia 737s would come over to the US in the winter.
Sun Country also in recent years has exchanged 737-800s with Transavia.

There's olso such an agreement between Transavia and South African at the moment.
 
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:59 pm

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If memory serves me right CO had a DC-10 painted up with the left hand side as VIASA. It came into BHX just the once (which confused the spotters no end). I think they had a split livery with AZ on another DC-10 as well.
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:09 am

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 13):
Qantas up stairs and NZ downstairs offering both their layouts??? i think its possible. and could work well if it was implemented correctley

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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Tue Aug 09, 2005 2:01 am

Air Canada Shared an L1011 with Eastern Airlines on a seasonal basis.


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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:07 am

Quoting Squirrel83 (Reply 10):
If im not right F9 Jetexpress and QX share the same RJs sometimes. . QX is the sole owner.

That's different. In that case, the only real difference is the livery on the aircraft. Horizon flies under contract for Frontier Airlines using the Frontier JetExpress titles on their aircraft...however dispatch rotations and such may place an aircraft in Frontier titles on another Horizon route, and a Horizon plane on a JetExpress route. In any event, the only difference is the aircraft.
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:33 am

Condor and Lufthansa, formerly Hapag-Lloyd and SAT/Germania, AirBerlin and NIKI, and recently Tuninter leased an A320 to be shared with Tunisair.
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:34 am

Didn't KLM and Viasa share a DC-10 with KLM livery on one side and VIASA on the other one time long ago?

Also, Alliance Airlines operates an F100 with Alliance c/s at the left side and Norfolk Jet Express at the other.

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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:45 am

"If memory serves me right CO had a DC-10 painted up with the left hand side as VIASA."

"Didn't KLM and Viasa share a DC-10 with KLM livery on one side and VIASA on the other one time long ago? "

Yeps, KLM and Viasa shared a DC-10. A few years later, NW had a DC-10 which had KLM's livery on it.
 
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Tue Aug 09, 2005 4:20 am

Khalfia and Air Algeria have done a fair shair of sharing aircraft like the A340-300.
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Tue Aug 09, 2005 4:41 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 2):
Back in the 1980s, AA and AS had a 727 interchange that linked Texas with Alaska using very unique 727s -- they were painted in AA's standard silver with red/white/blue cheatline on one side, and AS' white with the eskimo on the other. They flew on the routing IAH-DFW-SEA-ANC-FAI, with AA crews flying the plane IAH-DFW-SEA, and AS crews then taking over for SEA-ANC-FAI.

I used to see those planes in ANC all the time, and it was very odd.
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Tue Aug 09, 2005 4:59 am

Quoting Mainliner (Reply 7):
What about the short period that Air France operated some sub-sonic Concorde flights for Braniff on US domestic routes? If I recall correctly, there were Braniff crews on those flights, and the flights were mostly JFK-DFW.

It was IAD-DFW, and the interchange involved both BA and AF. A US (the country, not the airline) registration decal had to be slapped on the plane for the domestic portion of the flight. Here are some more details:

http://concordesst.com/history/events/braniff.html
 
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:17 am

Doesn't look like anyone mentioned the WA-CO (Western+Continental) interchange.

Customers could board an aircraft in Houston, fly with a CO crew to Denver, remain on board, then depart again with a WA crew to Calgary.

Believe they also did (somewhere CO flew)-Seattle-Anchorage. First leg CO, second WA...
 
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:48 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 4):
Back in the DC10 era NZ and BA had an agreement. NZ would fly a DC10 from AKL-LAX with NZ crew and BA would fly the DC10 from LAX-LHR with BA crews


I flew that one in '78. Was a Air New Zealand DC-10 operating with a BA crew LAX-LHR-LAX.
 
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:56 am

Pan Am had interchange agreements with Delta and Northwest at one point probably in the 60s, and only in the winter when traffic was lighter The Delta flight (a DC8) would operate Atlanta to Dulles, and then become a Pan Am flight to Boston and Paris. It was my only chance to see a Delta plane before their merger with Northeast. The Northwest flight (B707) originated in Minneapolis, then became a Pan Am flight at Detroit and on to Boston and London. I am not sure if the flights were operated with the Delta and Northwest equipment every day, or whether they alternated with Pan Am equipment.
 
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:23 am

When both TWA and Eastern Airlines first got their L-1011’s, in the early 70’s, they tried to share some of their 1011’s during the year.

Eastern had a heavier winter load factor and needed more capacity because of their extensive Florida network and TWA’s network was light during the winter so they leased some airplanes to EA during the winter season. EA then leased some of their 1011’s to TWA during the summer tourist season. This arrangement lasted only 1 or 2 years.

I think the pilot unions objected because EA was operating TWA planes and vice versa. The airplanes paint was not changed when they went over the other airline
 
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:48 am

Regarding BA/US partnership, US did paint one of their B767-200 into BA colours. Remembered seeing a few pics on A-net, so here you go!  Smile


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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:49 am

Skyservice and My Travel often swap aircrafts every season, widebodies usually come to 5G in the summer and narrowbodies in the winter...I know MP and Miami Air do it also but only in Florida...
 
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:08 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 2):
AA and AS had a 727 interchange that linked Texas with Alaska using very unique 727s -- they were painted in AA's standard silver with red/white/blue cheatline on one side, and AS' white with the eskimo on the other.

I flew AA/AS interchange service numerous times. It was the crew that were "interchanged", the aircraft were always AA aircraft..on both sides. Never saw a plane painted with two liveries on this service.
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:37 am

I think people are confusing leasing vs. interchange. Alot of airlines did interchanges when the airlines were regulated. It was a way for them to "extend" their route networks without going through the goverment redtape. Seasonal leasing was also popular to supply the seasonal routes with enough seats. Back to the question at hand, I don't ever recall a "generic" aircraft being flown by 2 seperate airlines at the same time....i.e. offschedule, etc.
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:22 pm

This kind of obvious but just flew into DEL yesterday on VS and it was the Virgin Nigeria aircraft (G-VBUS). It's really just a paint job, the aircraft is VS on the inside. Those green engines were interesting however.
 
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:27 pm

TACA and CUBANA share specially in flights to Montreal.
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:35 pm

Quoting N9801F (Reply 30):
Doesn't look like anyone mentioned the WA-CO (Western+Continental) interchange.

You beat me to it, yes there was a WA-CO interchange to both Canada and Alaska. There was also one with Wien & ? (CO I think but I honestly can't remember).

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 36):
I flew AA/AS interchange service numerous times. It was the crew that were "interchanged", the aircraft were always AA aircraft..on both sides. Never saw a plane painted with two liveries on this service.

I never saw a two color scheme plane on this route, but both AA and AS metal were used, depending on the season and the route (East Coast vs. Texas)
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:49 pm

Quoting Mainliner (Reply 7):
What about the short period that Air France operated some sub-sonic Concorde flights for Braniff on US domestic routes? If I recall correctly, there were Braniff crews on those flights, and the flights were mostly JFK-DFW.

Close, but they were actually true Braniff operations, with all BN crews (pilots and cabin), and the aircraft actually changed hands and registration at the POE (IAD). Not sure, but I think there were some BA and some AF flights. Not sure about that.

There is a retired BN pilot in my club who went through the Concorde training and is typed in the Cocorde. Cool stuff.

By virtue of this relatively brief service, Braniff was the only US flagged carrier to operate the Concorde in scheduled service.
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:53 pm

SkyWest has some "generic" CRJ-200s that they'll fly as either United Express or Delta Connection.
 
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:07 pm

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 25):
Also, Alliance Airlines operates an F100 with Alliance c/s at the left side and Norfolk Jet Express at the other.

I believe the operative word here is "operated" - didn't Norfolk Jet Express go bust a month or so ago? IIRC QF is now flying the route with 737-400s on a thrice-weekly basis (QF does the sales and ticketing as well), with the costs underwritten bythe Norfolk Island Govt.
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:29 pm

Quoting TUNisia (Reply 1):
I seem to remember there was some sort of agreement between BA & US many years ago. US aircraft painted in BA colors with US crew flying BA routes (LHR). Anyone confirm?



Quoting Hawk44 (Reply 9):
Yes, BA and US did this with 767's and 747's out of PIT

And I know US did not have 747's but some of the crew on the 747's worked for US but wore BA uniforms IIRC, not sure of all the details but I know a few people that worked these flights and non-revved on them several times.

Actually, this was only done with the US 767's. I don't believe any US crew regularly operated the 747 (except for service training). The 767's were US and staffed with US cabin crew in BA uniforms and US flight deck crew in US uniforms.

Quoting Chilledflyer (Reply 34):
Regarding BA/US partnership, US did paint one of their B767-200 into BA colours. Remembered seeing a few pics on A-net, so here you go!

I think there were three (or at least 2) US 767's in BA colors. CLT, BWI and PIT (all to LGW) were all "wetleased" flights operated by US on behalf of BA.

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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:44 pm

Or this period of co-operation between JAL & QF in the mid '90s


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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:03 pm

Just a thought ,
anyone remember seeing Gulf Air Tristars in the states in the 70'-80's and TWA L-1011's around the middle east...?
This was due direcrtly to GF & TW using each others aircraft. They used to swap the tristars in LHR,
ie A GF L-1011 would fly a GF flight from BAH/AUH-LHR and then be handed over to TW crew and fly a TW flight from LHR to the US.This also happened vica versa, A TWA L-1011 would operate a Tw flight from the US into LHR and then be handed over to a GF crew and fly a GF flight into the middle east.The primary purpose of this was so Gulf Air had "Exposability" in the US

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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:10 pm

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 41):
By virtue of this relatively brief service, Braniff was the only US flagged carrier to operate the Concorde in scheduled service.

http://www.braniffinternational.org/aircraft/concorde.htm
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:12 pm

Quoting RicardoFG (Reply 35):
Skyservice and My Travel often swap aircrafts every season

Monarch and First Choice also swap aircraft with US/Canadian airlines or tour operators during the winter months. I believe that at one time Air 2000 (now First Choice) and Canada 3000 (now defunct) were owned by the same parent company, hence a regular swap of aircraft between them.
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RE: Two Airlines Sharing Aircraft

Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:11 pm

I seem to remember that about ten or fifteen years ago UA and AA were planning (never happened) to cooperate on the NYC-ORD and ORD-DFW markets in such a manner. Half the equipment was supposed to come from either airline and both could have been able to sell the flight as their own. This would have been more than codesharing though. As I said - it never happened.