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Question About TWA Flight 800......

Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:20 am



What ever happend to the reconstruction of the TWA fueselage? Was it scrapped or donated to a musuem? Why didn't it have the wings or nose with cockpit attached to it?

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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:39 am

Quoting Alberchico (Thread starter):
What ever happend to the reconstruction of the TWA fueselage?

Interesting question. I would speculate that it was disassembled and stored in a warehouse in boxes. The parts would then be retained until all possible legal proceedings would be barred by the statute of limitations (including government body investigations). After the final incident report is issued, and the last possible lawsuit could have been filed, the parts were probably either trashed or scrapped.

Quoting Alberchico (Thread starter):
Why didn't it have the wings or nose with cockpit attached to it?

Probably never recovered. Alternatively, the focus of the investigation was a short in the fuselage, so they probably only spent the effort to reconstruct the relevant portion of the craft.
 
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:50 am

Quoting SRT75 (Reply 1):
Probably never recovered.

Actually the cockpit was recovered

Quoting B744F (Reply 2):
because they didn't want to admit a terrorist downed an airplane

Are you suggesting the goverment lied to us?
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:54 am

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 3):
Are you suggesting the goverment lied to us?

Most definately. If it walks like a duck...
 
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:00 am

But the fuel vapor theory has been conclusively tested. Every engineer and pilot in the industry belives that fuel vapors downed the plane.
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:09 am

conclusively tested, yet not confirmed. Something very fishy with this one!
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:16 am

Ah, now we have conspiracy theorists on this board. Or have they been already been around for a whiel? Hmmm.....
 
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:16 am

In a somewhat unrelated piece of news, the first 747-400F with the nitrogen generating system designed to prevent fuel vapor explosions has just been rolled out of the paint hangars at everett. It is l/u 1363 and is destined to serve with NCA.
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:21 am

Quoting B744F (Reply 2):
because they didn't want to admit a terrorist downed an airplane

Remember all those witnesses on the coast lines reporting they saw a flash of light fly at the aircraft. Could they ALL be wrong?
 
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:35 am

Now that we have gotten completely off track, the answer to the question is that the wreckage was removed from the hangar that it was reconstructed in to another and has basically had control of it taken over by the NTSB. They will use the wreckage to help train new investigators on how to investigate and solve aircraft crashes.

Or as the conspiracy theorists would like you to believe, so the wreckage can be used to train new investigators on how to decieve the American public.  Yeah sure


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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:39 am

well they decieved us into thinking there were WMD in iraq  bomb 
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:40 am

Quoting Planesailing (Reply 9):
Remember all those witnesses on the coast lines reporting they saw a flash of light fly at the aircraft. Could they ALL be wrong?

Oh yeah, like eye witnesses are reliable?  Confused

The empty center wing fuel tank exploded from an electrical spark. It was not the first time it happened. The USAF lost 3 KC-135s (two A models and 1 E model), in the late 1980s, to the empty aft body tank exploding, from an electrical spark.

It was not terrorist. It was not a US Navy missile. The loss of TWA-800, a B-747-100, was a terrible accident.  banghead 
 
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Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:43 am

were you an investigator on that case to concrete your statement? So all the eyewitnesses were wearing 3d movie glasses and tripping on LSD?
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Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:44 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):
It was not terrorist. It was not a US Navy missile. The loss of TWA-800, a B-747-100, was a terrible accident.

Every once in a while the Navy missile theory will raise it's ugly head. Every time I say the same thing. As a former sailor there is no way the Navy could keep a ship full of us from keeping our mouth shut. It goes against our nature.
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:49 am

I just finished First Strike, by Jack Cashill. It certainly paints a picture of a terrorist attack or friendly missile fire:
1. Over 200 witnesses saw either 1 or 2 streaks of light approaching a commercial airliner. All were dismissed.
2. The wreckage showed 2 areas of impact. Near the 3rd engine and then under the cockpit (the fatal blow) that can only be explained as an external hit by a projectile.
3. The nose wheel doors were blown IN, not out. Which indicates a projectile.
4. The investigation was run by the FBI, not the NTSB. The FBI did not cooperate with the NTSB. To this day it remains the only aircraft crash not investigated by the NTSB.
5. Clinton instructed the FBI that he wanted all discussion of missiles dismissed since if found true, his re-election would be in doubt.
6. The official conclusion of an internal explosion in a fuel tank caused by hot temps is full of holes and has never been replicated or experienced in any other airliner.
7. Two very separate debree fields show that the aircraft experienced 2 separate explosions, one disabling the #3 engine and part of the right wing, the other one severing the cockpit from the fuselage.

I'm simply repeating the findings of the book.

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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:50 am

That area just seems to be the bermuda triangle of the north atlantic. The Titanic went down in the vicinity, TWA, Swissair, Egypt Air, JFK Jr....etc...
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:04 am

Quoting Thelowfarehero (Reply 6):
Something very fishy with this one!

Surely you have expertise you'd like to share with us.

Quoting Planesailing (Reply 9):
Remember all those witnesses on the coast lines reporting they saw a flash of light fly at the aircraft.

Which has been explained over and over. How clear do people see things at 13,000+ feet above them, not to mention off in the distance.. Not very.

Quoting Planesailing (Reply 9):
Could they ALL be wrong?

Yes, and they are.. just like most eyewitnesses to most accidents are to some extent.

Quoting ZOTAN (Reply 7):
Ah, now we have conspiracy theorists on this board.

Your first TWA 800 thread, I see.  silly 

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):
The empty center wing fuel tank exploded from an electrical spark. It was not the first time it happened. The USAF lost 3 KC-135s (two A models and 1 E model), in the late 1980s, to the empty aft body tank exploding, from an electrical spark.

It was not terrorist. It was not a US Navy missile. The loss of TWA-800, a B-747-100, was a terrible accident.

Thank you. Unfortunately your words will be ignored by everyone who, for some reason, wants this accident to live forever in a world of conspiracy. The best thing to do now (since the original question has been answered) is ignore the thread and let it die. No sense in talking to brick walls.
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:22 am

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 15):
I just finished First Strike, by Jack Cashill. It certainly paints a picture of a terrorist attack or friendly missile fire:

The "friendly missile theory" is complete and utter non-sense. As I pointed out in my other post there is no way you could keep a ship full of sailors from talking. Someone would have spilled the beans by now. There would have been no way a crew could have hidden the fact that they were minus one Standard Missile. Those things are not cheap an the Navy keeps a record of it's missile inventory. It's not something you just toss over the side.

It's also highly doubtful the Navy was conducting missile exercises off Long Island. Seems more logical they would find a better place. As with all weapons systems there are safeties involved. You just don't hit a button by accident and send a missile on it's way. Keeps young sailors from tearing things up. Now let's say one DID get away. The Standard is a semi-active system. In other words it requires target illumination from the ship that launched it. Stop illuminating a target and the missile goes dumb. Now what are the chances of an unguided missile actually hitting an aircraft. The skies a pretty big place.

Here's another problem with the friendly missile theory. The SM-2 weighs around 1300lbs and has a large blast fragmentation warhead and flies at supersonic speed. If one had hit TWA 800 it would have left telltale clues all over that aircraft. Clues that were not found.
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:28 am

Quoting Thelowfarehero (Reply 6):
conclusively tested, yet not confirmed. Something very fishy with this one!

the explosion did happen right in about the same spot as the "shoe bomber" was sitting when he was taken off the plane (or was it denied boarding) a couple years ago. lends credence to the shoe bomber theory, combined with the "incongruous" increase in flight and airport security by the Clinton administration immediately after the accident for quite a few months, despite claims by the same government publicly that it was definitely a mechanical failure...
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:38 am

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 15):
I just finished First Strike,

Didn't that book say something that the Navy was actually aiming for a small terrorist plane but ended up hitting 800 instead?
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Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:39 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 19):
the explosion did happen right in about the same spot as the "shoe bomber" was sitting when he was taken off the plane (or was it denied boarding) a couple years ago. lends credence to the shoe bomber theory, combined with the "incongruous" increase in flight and airport security by the Clinton administration immediately after the accident for quite a few months, despite claims by the same government publicly that it was definitely a mechanical failure...

Here's the problem with the shoe bomber "theory". What's the usual SOP for a terrorist group? When they pull something like this off they want people to know. One would have figured they would have provided some sort of evidence they did it. Maybe in the form of a video tape of the person who carried it out. Second one would figure that if they were successfull on TWA 800 they would have tried it again. Yet no more aircraft were lost after this under similar circumstances in the US.
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:54 am

Nobody can prove that the plane was downed by a missile, or a bomb, or a fuel tank explosion. We'll probably never know what actually happened.

What CAN be proven, with reams and reams of reports, files, paperwork, faxes and other documents, is that the investigation was unlike any other in our history. Before the investigation even began, the US government decided what had caused the explosion (they say: fuel tank explosion) and the investigators ran roughshod over anyone who disagreed. Evidence was dismissed, exhibits "lost", witnesses discredited. Certainly that runs contrary to procedure, wouldn't you say?
 
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:55 am

Quoting Thelowfarehero (Reply 16):
That area just seems to be the bermuda triangle of the north atlantic. The Titanic went down in the vicinity, TWA, Swissair, Egypt Air, JFK Jr....etc...

yeah its amazing how many flights have suffered failures in the remote area of the norteast US  sarcastic 

Honestly this conspiracy stuff is bull. How about this-say that stuff outloud infront of a mirror so you can see how ridiculous and asinine you sound. All conspiracy theories are the same. Theres some small evidence brought up by some guy that something other than whats officially reported happened,and than theres the excruciatingly immense amount of evidence to contradict that.
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:06 am

Quoting Thelowfarehero (Reply 13):
were you an investigator on that case to concrete your statement? So all the eyewitnesses were wearing 3d movie glasses and tripping on LSD?

Could you please point us to a source for "all of these" eyewitness accounts? I suspect that this is an urban myth that has been propogated on the internet without any real sources. It sounds like something that was brought up soon after the crash as hearsay and unsubstantiated stories. I am not personally aware of any credible eyewitness accounts of a "missile downing the plane." After all, where are all of these people now??
 
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:09 am

Quoting ZOTAN (Reply 7):
Ah, now we have conspiracy theorists on this board. Or have they been already been around for a whiel? Hmmm.....

I think they've been around for a while  Wink

Quoting Planesailing (Reply 9):
Remember all those witnesses on the coast lines reporting they saw a flash of light fly at the aircraft. Could they ALL be wrong?

Yes. Note that this doesn't mean they are wrong. I'm just saying eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable.
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:16 am

Quoting Espion007 (Reply 23):
Quoting Thelowfarehero (Reply 16):
That area just seems to be the bermuda triangle of the north atlantic. The Titanic went down in the vicinity, TWA, Swissair, Egypt Air, JFK Jr....etc...

Those events did not even happen in the same area !!!
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:33 am

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 18):
Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 15):
I just finished First Strike, by Jack Cashill. It certainly paints a picture of a terrorist attack or friendly missile fire:

The "friendly missile theory" is complete and utter non-sense.

Military personnel are easily silenced thru coersions and threats. Given the incontrovertable evidence of 2 missile strikes, it was either a terrorist hit or friendly fire. Take your pick.
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Tue Aug 09, 2005 11:42 am

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 27):
Military personnel are easily silenced thru coersions and threats. Given the incontrovertable evidence of 2 missile strikes, it was either a terrorist hit or friendly fire. Take your pick.

You must have never served in the United States Navy! rotfl 

A typical navy cruiser has a crew of around 350. That means the Navy would have to keep silent 350 people. As we saw with Watergate all it takes is one person to blab. Then you have to deal with the fact that this conspiracy would involve not only the Navy, but the Department of Defense, FAA, NTSB, FBI, Boeing, TWA, Department of Justice, The White House etc. When there are conspiracies they almost invariably fail. Why, because people are involved. And people will eventually screw things up. Or more importantly someone will talk.

What "incontrovertable" evidence are you referring to? Something Mr. Cashill said? What exactly is his area of expertise? Is he an engineer, an explosives expert, a former accident investigator? Did it ever occur to you that maybe he's in this for the money because he knows there are people out there who will buy into this sort of thing?
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:46 pm

Quoting B744F (Reply 2):
because they didn't want to admit a terrorist downed an airplane

A simple question. Where does the wreckage go when they are through with it? And you trashed the thread by the 2nd reply. What an asshole you are...
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Tue Aug 09, 2005 2:24 pm

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 27):
Military personnel are easily silenced thru coersions and threats. Given the incontrovertable evidence of 2 missile strikes, it was either a terrorist hit or friendly fire. Take your pick.

How is it incontrovertible now? And as LMP737 points out, it isn't that easy to silence 350 people.
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Tue Aug 09, 2005 2:27 pm

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 28):
What "incontrovertable" evidence are you referring to? Something Mr. Cashill said? What exactly is his area of expertise? Is he an engineer, an explosives expert, a former accident investigator? Did it ever occur to you that maybe he's in this for the money because he knows there are people out there who will buy into this sort of thing?

The evidence that the wheel-nose doors were blown into the aircraft, identified in the book as incontrovertable evidence of a missile.

Read the book.....it raises hundreds of doubts about the veracity of the official explanation.

I'm no expert....merely reporting what I read.
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:32 pm

Quoting Thelowfarehero (Reply 15):
The Titanic went down in the vicinity

This is just great, how people get drawn into these bizarre stories.

Tell me Thelowfarehere....when was the last time you saw an ICEBERG OFF THE SOUTH COAST OF LONG ISLAND


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Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:56 pm

If you don't trust the NTSB, you probably shouldn't be flying at all.
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:58 pm

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 32):
If you don't trust the NTSB, you probably shouldn't be flying at all

But in an earlier reply

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 14):
The investigation was run by the FBI, not the NTSB. The FBI did not cooperate with the NTSB. To this day it remains the only aircraft crash not investigated by the NTSB.
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Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:05 pm

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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:39 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 31):
Tell me Thelowfarehere....when was the last time you saw an ICEBERG OFF THE SOUTH COAST OF LONG ISLAND

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

That is the funniest thing I've read in a long time!! LOL

Or should I say this is.....

Quoting Thelowfarehero (Reply 15):
That area just seems to be the bermuda triangle of the north atlantic. The Titanic went down in the vicinity, TWA, Swissair, Egypt Air, JFK Jr....etc...

Rgds.  rotfl 
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Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:17 am

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 30):
The evidence that the wheel-nose doors were blown into the aircraft, identified in the book as incontrovertable evidence of a missile.

That's your "incontrovertable" evidence? Where's the explosives residue or fragments from a Navy SM-2 SAM? Once again I would like to know what Mr. Cashills expertise in these sort of matters are. Are his observations based on actual knowledge. Or are they based on what a layman would think is "unusual"? As I pointed out before so many people would have to be involved in this "conspiracy" that it would be impossible to keep secret.

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 14):
The investigation was run by the FBI, not the NTSB. The FBI did not cooperate with the NTSB. To this day it remains the only aircraft crash not investigated by the NTSB.

That's odd, then why did the NTSB publish their findings regarding TWA800.
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:42 am

i recently read TWA 800 accident or incident and there was some really intresting stuff in there and to me it's still a mystery. but i wish they would find the cause but i think the military might have played role in this one fellas. Drake F.
 
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:45 am

To get back to an original question of this thread: I recall from other threads on TWA 800, and other sources, that most of the remains of TWA 800 a/c were removed after a couple of years in Long Island to a facility of the NTSB in Northern Virginia for legal, security and training purposes.
 
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:46 am

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 36):
Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 30):
The evidence that the wheel-nose doors were blown into the aircraft, identified in the book as incontrovertable evidence of a missile.

That's your "incontrovertable" evidence? Where's the explosives residue or fragments from a Navy SM-2 SAM?

That's the book's "incontrovertable" evidence, not mine. Anyway, perhaps you could explain why a fuel tank explosion would cause a nose wheel door pair to blow inward??

As for explosives residue, some was indeed found on seats in the vicinity of the wingbox, near where the #3 engine was apparently hit by a missile. This "evidence" was dismissed.

Read the book.....
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Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:13 am

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 39):
That's the book's "incontrovertable" evidence, not mine. Anyway, perhaps you could explain why a fuel tank explosion would cause a nose wheel door pair to blow inward??

Maybe it was because of the fact the plane hit the water at a billion miles an hour. Ever thought about that,missile boy?
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:30 am

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 4):
Every engineer and pilot in the industry belives that fuel vapors downed the plane.

Hardly.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 11):
The loss of TWA-800, a B-747-100, was a terrible accident

Whatever makes you sleep at night.


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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:34 am

Quoting Thelowfarehero (Reply 15):
That area just seems to be the bermuda triangle of the north atlantic. The Titanic went down in the vicinity, TWA, Swissair, Egypt Air, JFK Jr....etc...

Not really. The RMS Titanic hit an iceberg and sank more than 1500 nm east of Boston. Many of the bodies recovered were taken to Gander and buried. The SwissAir MD-11 went down near Newfoundland, Egypt Air B-767 and JFK Jr's Saratoga crashed on opposite sides of Nantucket Island, both were flown into the sea, one by error, the other intentional.

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 14):
2. The wreckage showed 2 areas of impact. Near the 3rd engine and then under the cockpit (the fatal blow) that can only be explained as an external hit by a projectile.
3. The nose wheel doors were blown IN, not out. Which indicates a projectile.

All four engines were recovered, there is no evidence of a missile strike on any of them. If there was a missile, a heat seeking missile would not hit anywhere on the fuselarge, the hottest spots are the engine exhaust. Besides, modern missiles don't hit airplanes, they fly next to the target and explode. TWA-800 was already to high and out of range of a MANPAC like the stinger (max altitude 10000' or 3000m, the B-741 was passing 13000'). The foreward section of the fuselarge broke off at the leading edge of the wing, at or near the production break.

The nose gear doors were pushed in during water impact, again no evidence of any missile strike.

Quoting MD11LuxuryLinr (Reply 16):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):
The empty center wing fuel tank exploded from an electrical spark. It was not the first time it happened. The USAF lost 3 KC-135s (two A models and 1 E model), in the late 1980s, to the empty aft body tank exploding, from an electrical spark.

It was not terrorist. It was not a US Navy missile. The loss of TWA-800, a B-747-100, was a terrible accident.

Thank you. Unfortunately your words will be ignored by everyone who, for some reason, wants this accident to live forever in a world of conspiracy. The best thing to do now (since the original question has been answered) is ignore the thread and let it die. No sense in talking to brick walls.

I agree, this is my last post on this thread.
 
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:45 am

Quoting Espion007 (Reply 40):
Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 39):
That's the book's "incontrovertable" evidence, not mine. Anyway, perhaps you could explain why a fuel tank explosion would cause a nose wheel door pair to blow inward??


Maybe it was because of the fact the plane hit the water at a billion miles an hour.

More likely terminal velocity of 9.8m/sec at the most. It wuold take more than this to blow in nosewheel doors.

Quoting Espion007 (Reply 40):
Ever thought about that,missile boy?

Wow, that's mature.  Yeah sure

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 42):
All four engines were recovered, there is no evidence of a missile strike on any of them. If there was a missile, a heat seeking missile would not hit anywhere on the fuselarge, the hottest spots are the engine exhaust. Besides, modern missiles don't hit airplanes, they fly next to the target and explode.

The damage on the wing near the #3 engine could only have been caused by a projectile.

Read the book.............
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:49 am

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 14):
I just finished First Strike, by Jack Cashill. It certainly paints a picture of a terrorist attack or friendly missile fire
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I'm simply repeating the findings of the book.

Compare the "findings of the book" with the ntsb report and you will get another picture:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 34):
http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/2000/aar0003.htm

Thanks for that link, 777236ER !
 
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:07 am

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 39):
That's the book's "incontrovertable" evidence, not mine. Anyway, perhaps you could explain why a fuel tank explosion would cause a nose wheel door pair to blow inward??

You also stated in reply 17 "The investigation was run by the FBI, not the NTSB. The FBI did not cooperate with the NTSB. To this day it remains the only aircraft crash not investigated by the NTSB." As we all know this statement is false. If the book you refer to stated this you should now realize that it's author is either a very bad researcher or is nothing more than a liar.

If you want to know about the nose wheel well doors on the aircraft go to page 117 of the NTSB report. Gives a pretty good explanation.

As for the explosive residue on page 118-119 it states that in June 1996 the aircraft was used for explosives detection training and that one of the "training aids was cracked open". You also seem to ignore the fact that there was no evidence of a SAM hitting the aircraft, i.e. damage caused by fragmentation from the missile. Remember, an SM-2 weighs over a thousand pounds, has a large blast/fragmentation warhead and travels at supersonic speed.

Read the NTSB report....
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Wed Aug 10, 2005 5:12 am

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 14):
The wreckage showed 2 areas of impact. Near the 3rd engine and then under the cockpit (the fatal blow) that can only be explained as an external hit by a projectile.

The NTSB report stated that the engines showed no evidence of penetration of any of the engines from an outside object.
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Wed Aug 10, 2005 5:16 am

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 13):
Every once in a while the Navy missile theory will raise it's ugly head. Every time I say the same thing. As a former sailor there is no way the Navy could keep a ship full of us from keeping our mouth shut. It goes against our nature.

it doesn't have to be a ship full of anyone. Russian equipment can be easily purchased on the black market. CIA trained terrorists can easily launch it and a ship full of sailors doesn't have to know
 
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:14 am

Quoting Thelowfarehero (Reply 15):
That area just seems to be the bermuda triangle of the north atlantic. The Titanic went down in the vicinity, TWA, Swissair, Egypt Air, JFK Jr....etc...

Not really buying this theory. The north Atlantic around this area (NY coast up around Canada) is a very heavily populated area with a large amount of transportatoin using this area. There is bound to be more accidents where more people/airplanes are  Smile
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RE: Question About TWA Flight 800......

Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:37 am

Quoting GBan (Reply 44):
Compare the "findings of the book" with the ntsb report and you will get another picture:

Of course you will. The NTSB's report is good but not necessarily how it happened.

Saying "God is love, love is blind, Stevie Winder is blind, therefore Stevie Wonder is God" does not make it so, and that's what the TW800 report essentially divined.

Again, if it was a center fuel tank explosion, why the cloak and dagger crap with the Sanders family, why the refusal to comply with Federal law and FOIA requests?

And any coincidence that July 17, 1996 was the anniversary of the Baath party taking power in Iraq?

Or that the Atlanta Olympics were about to start?

And that we were a few short months from a presidential election?

For a man who in 2 terms in office observed numerous strikes against our country and did nothing?

Of course there was a cover up.

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