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Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:50 am

As a travel agent I was at a meeting yesterday where Qantas presented an update which included the announcement for them to begin services to SFO in 2006. No dates were given but it looks promising.
 
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:52 am

I flew that route in 1987. Old news.  Wink

Anyway, good to see them back. People who want to go to/from the bay area don't want to connect in LAX to a cramped AA flight after such a long first leg.
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:55 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
People who want to go to/from the bay area don't want to connect in LAX to a cramped AA flight after such a long first leg.

In that case, they can take the UA non-stop

This must be contingent on the A380 coming ontime and making its range targets, since their 744ERs are already busy with LAX. SFO will require them as well or face weight restrictions
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:42 am

Nice. Not surprising really with NZ flying to SFO now though.

I think they will remove the third SYD-LAX flight that operates 4x weekly and this aircraft most likely 744ER will go on the route.
 
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Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:51 am

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This must be contingent on the A380 coming ontime and making its range targets, since their 744ERs are already busy with LAX.SFO will require them as well or face weight restrictions

Why would QF require 744ER to operate to SYD-SFO when United use their 744 on that route everyday?

Am I missing something

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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:28 am

Why would QF require 744ER to operate to SYD-SFO when United use their 744 on that route everyday?

Yes you are missing something, QF brought the 744ER's mainly for the LAX runs. The regular 744's operate with weight restrictions, sometimes quite severe on the LAX-MEL/SYD leg. Depends on head winds.

I am a little surprised that QF didn't go for a few more 744ER's actually.

So UA have restrictions, not sure how heavy though. UA still seem to do quite well out of SYD though.
 
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:42 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 5):
I am a little surprised that QF didn't go for a few more 744ER's actually.

So was I but I expect they are waiting to see how the A380 performs in operation on SYD-LAX before they decide whether they need more of them.

Quoting QFBA (Thread starter):
begin services to SFO in 2006.

It will be interesting to see the frequency of service. Probably only 3 to 4 times per week to start with. This would also give AA an additional International destination from SFO.
 
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 11:30 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
In that case, they can take the UA non-stop


But some of us in the Bay Area are Oneworld members and have to fly to LAX to connect with QF to Australia. I have flown this route SFO-LAX-MEL three times before and again, September 28th and do not like the TBIT for departure. Must admit, returning through terminal 4 is OK but a little cramped going through Customs.

If this news is factual, it will be welcome news.
 
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 11:43 am

maybe QF will stop deciding to be whoosies and pick up some twins for this route....aka 777-300ER  biggrin 
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 11:50 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
SFO will require them as well or face weight restrictions

SFO is closer to SYD, of course, and the restrictions are only during certain times a year. They got the 744ERs mostly to help with cargo and MEL-LAX.

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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 11:58 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 8):
maybe QF will stop deciding to be whoosies and pick up some twins for this route....aka 777-

That would kill any possibility of me ever flying the route.

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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:02 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 5):
Yes you are missing something, QF brought the 744ER's mainly for the LAX runs. The regular 744's operate with weight restrictions, sometimes quite severe on the LAX-MEL/SYD leg. Depends on head winds.

The ERs were mainly for LAX-MEL, the severe weight restrictions are mainly on LAX-MEL, not LAX-SYD. There are not enough to operate 2 daily SYD/MEL-LAX services. That would be 8 aircraft with no allowance for maintanence. The six ER can only realistically operate MEL-LAX and some SYD-LAX services. Even less if they operate to other ports, as sometimes happens.

The standard B744 is good for SYD-LAX, most of the time. Yes there can be weight penalities but it is not a big thing to SYD, MEL is another matter.
And seeing SYD-SFO is 62nm SHORTER than SYD-LAX, having ERs specifically available is not really an issue.

Still I will only belive this when the big red rat touches down at SFO, not before. SYD-AKL-DFW was announced to travel agents too!!! An offical public announcement will help, but I will only belive it when it happens!!

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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:35 pm

That's great news from QF, but only if it is an increased capacity to the US rather than just replacing some of the LAX flights.

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Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:37 pm

Could it be that Qantas' rumoured 60-aircraft November order will include 787-900s and 777ERs for eventual use on this route, especially at off-peak times?
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Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:41 pm

There is a God.....This just made my evening after a bad day! Thanks you Qantas!

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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:43 pm

By the way, any idea of an official announcment?

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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:22 pm

Quoting AS739X (Reply 15):
By the way, any idea of an official announcment?

That's why I wouldn't start celebrations just yet, there hasn't been one.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 13):
Could it be that Qantas' rumoured 60-aircraft November order will include 787-900s and 777ERs for eventual use on this route, especially at off-peak times?

I doubt it. Once the A380's start coming in there will be extra 744's around the place to use on routes such as this.
 
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:28 pm

Will QF try and operate these flights with only O&D? What AA connecting flights would feed into the late night flights?

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Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:32 pm

John Borghetti told us at the Qantas staff forum that the SFO flights would come online sometime around Feb 06 at 3 x week ex SYD. I find it hilarious though how they always garbled that there was no need for them to fly there then all of a sudden Air NZ goes in and does exceptionally well and so QF perform mirracles again and decide its worth it. Typical QF. Unfortunately most crew wont get the chance to do that trip as i have a feeling they will fill up most spots with AKL based contacters.
 
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:37 pm

latest from Qantas today is that they are set to axe up to 200 management positions by next month, Dixon said these were the first cuts in a major shakeup planned for the airline.

wonder if any route cuts will be in order?!
 
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:40 pm

Interesting facts about the Australia-US ties:

Australia is the seventh largest market for international visitors to the U.S., and the third largest market for the U.S. in the Asia Pacific region. In 2003, 406,000 Australians visited the U.S.

The U.S. ranks as the leading long-haul destination for Australian travelers; the average traveler from "down-under" stays 23 days in the U.S., and is a high-spending visitor.

In 2003, Australians primarily visited California (49%), New York (27%), Hawaii (15%), Nevada (13%) and Florida (8%).

The top cities visited were Los Angeles (31%), New York City (25%), San Francisco (15%), and Las Vegas (13%).

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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:42 pm

Quoting Miami1 (Reply 18):
SFO flights would come online sometime around Feb 06 at 3 x week ex SYD. I find it hilarious though how they always garbled that there was no need for them to fly there then all of a sudden Air NZ goes in and does exceptionally well

Sounds very familiar to the way NZ started service into SFO. 3 times per week and in November, bumping it up to 6 times per week.

Again, to voice what a few others have said, I'll believe it when "the big red rat" touches down at SFO.
 
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 2:21 pm

Should be interesting IMO. QF should of got more 744ER's though and replaced the 743's a couple of years ago IMO giving them an all 744 fleet. Those 743's can't do to many routes in the QF International network really. Obviously no point now since they have spent Millions upgrading them, but the 743's are under used.

Yes i guess you are right that SFO doesn't need ER's, but i'd say that QF will use them for a start if they go back to SFO.

The 744ER's I understand go to JNB quite often.
 
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 2:36 pm

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 16):
Once the A380's start coming in there will be extra 744's around the place to use on routes such as this.

Sydscott, my guess is that people are having to develop contingency plans in case the A380 arrives even later than the current 'rough dates' that Airbus are providing.

At the moment, Qantas can't expect to get them until about April 2007 at the earliest. Presumably Qantas, as a launch customer, enjoys the 'no-penalty cancellation within twelve months of delivery' option that Leahy offered; so they don't have finally to commit to buying any A380s until early 2006.

That gives them plenty of time to consider alternative aeroplane/route/strategy options.
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 4:11 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 10):
That would kill any possibility of me ever flying the route.

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1) I hope they don't decide their future fleet planning on one (few) particular people.. Wink

2) still have a primal fear of flying on a twin over large bodies of water??

Quoting FLY777UAL (Reply 20):
In 2003, Australians primarily visited California (49%), New York (27%), Hawaii (15%), Nevada (13%) and Florida (8%).

The top cities visited were Los Angeles (31%), New York City (25%), San Francisco (15%), and Las Vegas (13%).

two things come off from here...1)why would they need to fly to DFW/ORD if they can fly to LAX/SFO and get excellent AA connections from there (I've read on some threads that QF were possibly looking to fly into DFW/ORD)??

2) The need to fly nonstop MEL/LAX-JFK might be economically feasable...hence the -200LR (if its possible)  bigthumbsup 
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 4:20 pm

I think my guess is that with the arrival of the A380-800 from 2007 on, QF will have some excess capacity since QF doesn't have any plans to phase out the 747-400 and 747-400ER fleet anytime soon. As such, they can assign a number of 744's to the SYD-SFO route, which actually works because the flight can be a OneWorld codeshare flight with an AA flight number in addtion to the QF flight number, since AA has a substantial presence at SFO for longer range flights to the eastern half of the USA.  Smile
 
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:08 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 22):
Those 743's can't do to many routes in the QF International network really.

Well it serves quite a lot of Asia: SYD-NRT,MNL etc. I guess that the A333's are phasing them out seeing that they use it to places like PVG. If QF opened up more flights to Asia like CAN, they might stay on for a few more years to come.
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:23 pm

Quoting FLY777UAL (Reply 20):
n 2003, Australians primarily visited California (49%), New York (27%), Hawaii (15%), Nevada (13%) and Florida (8%).

The top cities visited were Los Angeles (31%), New York City (25%), San Francisco (15%), and Las Vegas (13%).

Thanks for the stats.

If it's true, then it's about time. It would make sense to fly new 777s on this route and then shift the 744ERs to replace when the A380s come on line. This gives them a chance to build up the route. Could Qantas secure any 772LR or 773ER in the next 12 months? Also, why couldn't QF extend the flight onto DFW or ORD?
 
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:27 pm

QF fly the 743's to the following currently.

SYD-NRT daily
SYD-MNL 3x weekly
SYD-BOM 3 weekly
SYD-HNL 3 weekly
SYD-AKL 4 weekly

They can do those routes with 3 aircraft plus 1 operational spare and 1 in maintanence. I'd say they should of replaced them with 744ER's as I said earlier. no point now though. Would of been easier when an aircraft when U/S rather than have to get a 744 to operate a 743 route, or when a 744 goes U/S only have a 743 backup. Even if a 3 class 744 goes U/S somestimes the only backup is a 2 class one, not nice for those flying First. QF have no spare 744 capacity at the moment, but have a small sub fleet of 743's which cost more to run and maintain aswell.

Anyway I guess they would offer a 3 class service to SFO?
 
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:35 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 28):
QF fly the 743's to the following currently.

Syd-Per Mon
Per-Sin Mon, Tue, Wed
Per-Syd Thur

and quite a few additional domestic flights with them.
 
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:45 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 24):
1) I hope they don't decide their future fleet planning on one (few) particular people.. 

I agree. Neither you nor I.  Smile

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 24):
still have a primal fear of flying on a twin over large bodies of water??

Fear? No.

But since I, as passenger, can't tell the difference between a quad or a twin, in the cabin, in flight, I don't see the point in tempting fate.

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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:14 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 22):
The 744ER's I understand go to JNB quite often.

You'll also see them in London occassionally as well. All depends on scheduling.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 23):
my guess is that people are having to develop contingency plans in case the A380 arrives even later than the current 'rough dates' that Airbus are providing

True. Though I would assume status quo would apply and the 743's would continue rather than being replaced. Even if QF did cancel a year out it would still take a year for Boeing to deliver some additional 744's.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 24):
why would they need to fly to DFW/ORD if they can fly to LAX/SFO and get excellent AA connections from there (I've read on some threads that QF were possibly looking to fly into DFW/ORD)??

I think the purpose for flying direct to DFW is to give passengers access to AA's megahub there which provides far more connecting opportunites for both carriers. The same point applies for QF's announced and then dropped Chicago route. It's about opening up more gateways for American passengers as QF has plenty of Aussies going the other way.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 26):
If QF opened up more flights to Asia like CAN, they might stay on for a few more years to come.

I'd have thought this also depends on what happens to the A332's. I've seen on this board people commenting that these will be re-deployed to International routes after having their floor etc strengthened for Skybed Business Class. These would be a better aircraft to open up somewhere like CAN with.
 
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:29 pm

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 31):
this also depends on what happens to the A332's.

Will this result in buying more aircraft for the domestic routes? If they do go to international service, what will they be backed up with? 763's or are they buying new aircraft specifically for the domestic market as we speak?
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:41 pm

I don't quite recall...when was it that QF pulled out of SFO in the first place? I know it's been a while since flying there...
 
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:50 pm

NZ107

QF would use the 763's currently used on International routes on domestic routes and the 332's would go to International. Atleast for the next 4-5 years. The 787 and A350 are being considered as 763 replacments as we speak. I'd say the 787 would have to have the inside running to replace the 763 being that it is lighter than the A350 and a little smaller so it is probably better suited, they could also get the other version to replace the A330 and use on other International routes.

As for SFO, it was dropped around 1992? I believe it was dropped so that QF could concentrate on LAX. The last route I believe was SYD-HNL-LAX with a 763.
 
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Tue Aug 09, 2005 11:33 pm

Quoting B787 (Reply 27):
It would make sense to fly new 777s on this route and then shift the 744ERs to replace when the A380s come on line.

Then do what with those new 777s?

It makes much more sense to get the 380 online, then shift 747 flying.

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Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:50 am

YES! YES! YES!
If this is true, this is huge news. I jumped out of my chair when i read this. Now, lets just hope it is true, and not like some of the recent rumors that haven't worked out. (JM, EK, TG)

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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:57 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 10):
That would kill any possibility of me ever flying the route.

Then you were obviously not a patron of the old B767 SFO services.  Wink

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 24):
why would they need to fly to DFW/ORD if they can fly to LAX/SFO and get excellent AA connections from there (I've read on some threads that QF were possibly looking to fly into DFW/ORD)??

Slot restrictions. Hubbing with AA at their other hubs would offer "spillage" qualities for the LAX services. It would also enable a greater focus on O&D traffic at LAX.

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Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:14 am

I'm a Star Alliance man--I will stick with UA for now. But thanks for the offer!
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:20 am

Quoting QFA001 (Reply 37):

Slot restrictions.

Where? 99% of US airports are not slot controlled, and the only major US airports that have slots are DCA and LGA.
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Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:35 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 39):
Where? 99% of US airports are not slot controlled, and the only major US airports that have slots are DCA and LGA.

Apologies, I used inappropriate language. I didn't mean slot restrictions per se, but demand management measures at LAX. Obtaining appropriate timings for a foreign airline such as QF is not an easy task at LAX.

Out-of-interest, LGA has got to be close to their abolition of slot controls, right?

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Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:30 am

Quoting QFA001 (Reply 40):
Out-of-interest, LGA has got to be close to their abolition of slot controls, right?

I would highly doubt it. I don't think the slot controls or the perimeter rule will be eliminated anytime in the near future.
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:42 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 32):
I don't quite recall...when was it that QF pulled out of SFO in the first place? I know it's been a while since flying there...

Until the early 1990s, QF flew into SFO via HNL.....the service was with a 742 but it may have been operated by the 767 towards the end.

This was during the period that BA had a significant interest in US and a large shareholding in QF....QF dropped service to both MAN and SFO and the following arrangments were made:

-Instead of QF flying MAN-LHR and then continue on the Kangaroo Route, a BA aircraft would fly pax from MAN to LHR to connect to their QF flight.

-Instead of QF flying into SFO, a US Airways aircraft would fly passengers from SFO to LAX to directly connect to QF flights to Australia and the Pacific.

And, that was the end of QF at SFO and MAN and, to date, QF has not returned. QF flying SFO-SYD should work, but 3 days per week? Doesnt QF have the courage to start a daily service which is far more attractive to premium pax. I am a bit surprised by all of this, lets see what happens.
 
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:43 am

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 13):
Could it be that Qantas' rumoured 60-aircraft November order will include 787-900s and 777ERs for eventual use on this route, especially at off-peak times?

Could be on the money here. Today's "Australian" newspaper confirms QF will order 60+ aircraft in the 787/350 and 777/340 categories "imminently"(whatever that is at QF!!!). No doubt if/when these aircraft are ordered,some will be for replacement(767/747) and some will be for growth. I think some Pacific fragmentation is likely and SFO could be just the start of it.
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:52 am

Quoting FLY777UAL (Reply 20):
San Francisco (15%) - Hawaii (15%)

That would indicate that fully 1/5th of all Oz originating traffic goes to SFO.

So, if you add up the capacity of all carriers to the US from Oz, and then divide out SFO, I would guess it isn't greater than 20% of the capacity as it is. Now, since more pax connect through LAX in both directions, you would assume LAX still needs more than 80% of the mainland capacity, but it would seem that there is also room for QF at LAX daily, if not 4x weekly.

Also, despite the claims by some that Florida is not known in Australia, 8% of Aussies go there! And Floridians go to Oz, too, which is why a 3x weekly MCO flight (on a 772LR) paired with a 3x weekly MIA flight would be a winner, despite what others claim. It's about 8300nm to MIA, 8200nm to MCO without ETOPS restrictions, which the 772LR is designed for. It could not only be filled, but wouldn't necessarily take away from traffic on other routes, as I believe that if that destination could be opened direct, you would get increased traffic in both directions (at least via MIA), especially if they were timed correctly for Disney and other cruise days.
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:32 pm

The B 747-300s and the B 747-400s will probably stay for a while. When the A 380 comes they will probably have enough aircraft and they can easily place surplus B 747-400s on the SFO-SYD run.

Have they finished upgrading the B 747-300s and 400s? Will Nalanji be upgraded as well?
 
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:08 pm

If QF is going for an order of 60+ aircraft in the near future then I can see them being a launch customer for the 747ADV as well as getting both 787s & 777. As the new 747s are delivered I can see the 743s going, just as the 767s will go when the 787s arrive.

As you can tell I believe that this order will go to Boeing. Partly because the planes will fit their needs and partly because they were not impressed with the 330 on short City Flyer routes and are probably like SQ in their feelings about the 380 delays. Throw in the fact that Boeing will be aggressing in putting a package together and I think it is advantage Boeing.
 
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:10 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 46):
probably like SQ in their feelings about the 380 delays.

Even more so, Ken777. As things stand on the delays, SQ may still get their A380s in time for the 2006/7 summer/Christmas peak season; whereas Qantas (and Emirates?) definitely won't.
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:58 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 46):
As you can tell I believe that this order will go to Boeing. Partly because the planes will fit their needs and partly because they were not impressed with the 330 on short City Flyer routes and are probably like SQ in their feelings about the 380 delays. Throw in the fact that Boeing will be aggressing in putting a package together and I think it is advantage Boeing.

No-one seems to be considering that Airbus may make QF an offer it cannot refuse in compensation for A380 deliveries. Such compensation would likely be in the form of heavy discounts on A350s or other Airbus planes.

QF seems to have a knack of purchasing planes that have been heavily discounted. One instance is the 738s originally slated for AA but dropped because of 9/11. Another is the acquisition of the A332/3s as part of the deal for purchasing so many A380s up front.
 
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RE: Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006

Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:45 pm

Quoting Avalon (Reply 48):
Such compensation would likely be in the form of heavy discounts on A350s or other Airbus planes.

I agree that there will be all sorts of horse-trading going on about 'compensation' for the A380 delay. But I don't think offers of discounts on the A350 will cut much ice - even if Airbus finally authorises the start of the A350 development programme in September, any possible A350 deliveries will be years behind the 787 - leave alone the Triple Seven.
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