trident2e
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Unusual VS Go Around At MAN This Morning

Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:15 am

This morning's VS flight from MCO did a rather unusual go-around. Instead of the usual procedure of flying straight ahead, the aircraft, whilst low over Heald Green about 20 seconds from touchdown, made a sharp left turn and climed slowly away. Anyone know why it made this unusual moanouvre?

[Edited 2005-08-09 17:16:09]
 
mhodgson
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RE: Unusual VS Go Around At MAN This Morning

Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:26 am

A BACx DH-8 for ABZ had an engine failure and declared mayday after departure, thus ATC wanted a clear approach and runway.
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philb
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RE: Unusual VS Go Around At MAN This Morning

Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:38 am

Was it a Mayday or a PAN call? Mayday seems a little extreme for an engine failure on its own.

Standard missed approaches are often ignored if a following aircraft has a problem, particularly if the lead aircraft is significantly heavier and there is little wind to dissipate wake vortex.
 
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RE: Unusual VS Go Around At MAN This Morning

Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:43 am

On the subject of MAN go arounds, I was at MAN early Sunday and the BA 767 from JFK was quite a way out on finals, still weather (beautiful morning in fact) when it casually wheels up, flaps up and accelerated away over the airfield and returned 15 minutes later for a completely safe landing.

Why does this happen when the runway was clear and approach looked otherwise normal? (think I need to get a scanner).
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sevenheavy
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RE: Unusual VS Go Around At MAN This Morning

Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:59 am

An aircraft can go around for a number of reasons:

To answer cxsjr's question, the aircraft was probably in an undesirable attitude for landing. i.e. too fast, too high, failed to capture ils glidepath etc. In this instance all airlines have (slightly differing) regulations on when on an approach you should be fully established and configured for landing. If they are not, they go around and try again. Sometimes it is the flight crew who are not happy, maybe they have had t rush their descent and are not entirely happy so they try again

In the case of the VS aircraft, crews can request an early left or right turn to speed up their next approach and save their (by now precious) fuel. Equally atc can request this from the crew.

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trident2e
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RE: Unusual VS Go Around At MAN This Morning

Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:29 am

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 1):
A BACx DH-8 for ABZ had an engine failure and declared mayday after departure, thus ATC wanted a clear approach and runway.

But wouldn't that have been airborne from 24L whilst the VS was approaching 24R? How did that affect the landing runway?
 
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RE: Unusual VS Go Around At MAN This Morning

Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:08 am

Quoting Trident2e (Reply 5):
But wouldn't that have been airborne from 24L whilst the VS was approaching 24R? How did that affect the landing runway?

Single runway operation maybe?
 
mhodgson
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RE: Unusual VS Go Around At MAN This Morning

Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:21 am

My sources (manchesterspotters2 Yahoo group) state it was a Mayday. Not sure why, but that is all we know. It also affected an EI A320
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sllevin
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RE: Unusual VS Go Around At MAN This Morning

Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:44 am

Quoting Philb (Reply 2):
Was it a Mayday or a PAN call? Mayday seems a little extreme for an engine failure on its own.

An engine failure (in a twin-engined aircraft) should be considered an emergency and not merely an "item of urgency."

In the US, when I've experienced engine failures and advised ATC, they have declared the emergency on heir own initiative (as is their right -- it is not required that the pilot declare the emergency), and cleared the airspace for me, as well as rolled equipment on landing.

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RE: Unusual VS Go Around At MAN This Morning

Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:47 pm

The a/c was G-NVSB, it took off from runway 24L and then took a low level route round the north of the airfield before landing back on runway 24R. Also meant an EUK 747 and BA A320 had to do some unusual holding patterns around the east of Manchester!

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