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RAM To Take Four 787s

Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:31 pm

Royal Air Maroc to sign for four 787s plus one option.

Source: Air Transport Intelligence

(PS - this was posted in the other RAM thread but it appeared in the middle of a handbag fight, and is just going to be overlooked...)
 
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RE: RAM To Take Four 787s

Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:36 pm

Good to see the B787 band wagon growing.
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RE: RAM To Take Four 787s

Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:31 pm

Good news.

I wonder if they will use this to expand their long-haul network past just Montreal and New York City.
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RE: RAM To Take Four 787s

Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:36 pm

Los Angeles, Vancouver, San Fransisco, would be nice west coast destinations they could do. But thats my opinion.  Wink
 
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RE: RAM To Take Four 787s

Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:58 pm

I dont think Los Angeles. Vancouver or San Franscico are likely for RAM. perhaps, Rio de Janeiro may be re-introduced as that was served for many years by RAM 747s.

I wouldnt have thought a requirement for 787s was at all urgent as RAMs 7673 are amongst the newest in service and would not need replacing for a good 10 years or so.

New long-haul destinations for RAM other than Rio, might include a service to another French speaking long-haul destination, perhaps a joint service to Guadeloupe/Martinique.
 
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RE: RAM To Take Four 787s

Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:01 pm

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 4):
New long-haul destinations for RAM other than Rio, might include a service to another French speaking long-haul destination, perhaps a joint service to Guadeloupe/Martinique.

RAM is in business to make money, not bleed it.
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RE: RAM To Take Four 787s

Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:18 pm

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 4):
I dont think Los Angeles. Vancouver or San Franscico are likely for RAM. perhaps, Rio de Janeiro may be re-introduced as that was served for many years by RAM 747s.

I wouldnt have thought a requirement for 787s was at all urgent as RAMs 7673 are amongst the newest in service and would not need replacing for a good 10 years or so.

New long-haul destinations for RAM other than Rio, might include a service to another French speaking long-haul destination, perhaps a joint service to Guadeloupe/Martinique.

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Nice joke  Wink CAS-NOU could be nice  Smile

Do we know which versions ? 783 788 ???????

I think some more arabic destinations could be introduced. Some 783 may also serve Paris, LYS or MRS ...
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RE: RAM To Take Four 787s

Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:30 pm

Quoting YULMRS (Reply 6):
Do we know which versions ? 783 788 ???????

Whose says it can't be both  Wink ? Ok, with only 4, it wouldn't make too much sense to split the order. Expect the 788, as the 787 will likely be used to replace/supplement the 763s on the transatlantic routes.
 
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RE: RAM To Take Four 787s

Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:05 am

On the Boeing's site now:



http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/...05/photorelease/q3/pr_050810h.html

The press release indicates that RAM has signed a MOU for "up to five" B787s and does not specify which model.

Well done to Boeing and RAM.  bigthumbsup 

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RE: RAM To Take Four 787s

Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:08 am

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 4):
wouldnt have thought a requirement for 787s was at all urgent as RAMs 7673 are amongst the newest in service and would not need replacing for a good 10 years or so.

Perhaps they are going to use the 787 for growth opportunities that the 767 does not have the range for?
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RE: RAM To Take Four 787s

Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:39 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 9):
Perhaps they are going to use the 787 for growth opportunities that the 767 does not have the range for?

Hong Kong or Tokyo or Sydney perhaps?
 
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RE: RAM To Take Four 787s

Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:46 am

Here's a somewhat amusing excerpt from the Boeing press release, a not-too-subtle dig at the recent comments by Airbus:

"Royal Air Maroc's Board of Directors agreed to purchase the Boeing 787s on July 29, following a long and well-defined competition that had been extended on two occasions. After declaring the tender to be clear and transparent, RAM's Board of Directors instructed the airline to directly engage Boeing in negotiations for the purchase of the 787 as the best solution for its long- haul fleet." (emphasis added)

This is great news for Boeing, and I am happy to see yet another early success for the 787, but frankly I think it would have been even classier if they had risen above the childish back-and-forth and just ignored the Airbus PR. I'm sure they wanted to preempt any possible criticism, but instead this just makes them look a bit defensive. Oh well, c'est la vie.
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RE: RAM To Take Four 787s

Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:47 am

Isn't this the same deal that Airbus decided not to bid on? Anybody know exactly why?

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RE: RAM To Take Four 787s

Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:52 am

Quoting Zamaria (Reply 12):
Isn't this the same deal that Airbus decided not to bid on? Anybody know exactly why?

Airbus claimed that RAM's tender is unclear. No one knows what that means but it seems that RAM was more inclined to Boeing regardless of who put in a proposal.
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RE: RAM To Take Four 787s

Thu Aug 11, 2005 5:13 am

RAM may increase flights to its present North American destinations (New York and Montreal) with the 787 Dreamliner. I do not think that they will increase the number of destinations served in North America, though.
As mentioned before, RAM could use them too on their key routes to France (high volume) as well as to Jeddah or reopen its South American link to Rio de Janeiro.
 
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RE: RAM To Take Four 787s

Thu Aug 11, 2005 5:16 am

Reading another thread, RAM's CEO seems to mention Atlanta as an additonal NA destination. It may give them access to Delta's major network in the US. Never stop learning...
 
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RE: RAM To Take Four 787s

Thu Aug 11, 2005 5:23 am

Didn't Airbus withdrawal their bid on Aug. 5th? The release says the MOU with Boeing was signed July 31st. Something doesn't add up.
 
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RE: RAM To Take Four 787s

Thu Aug 11, 2005 5:29 am

Quoting Meafly (Reply 16):
Didn't Airbus withdrawal their bid on Aug. 5th? The release says the MOU with Boeing was signed July 31st. Something doesn't add up.

Well if they signed an MOU then, it would make sense that Airbus would subsequently withdraw their bid. Do these talks happen on weekends then?
 
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RE: RAM To Take Four 787s

Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:33 am

As already mentionned in another topic , Airbus didn't make any tender to win this order , SIMPLY because RAM want to have the new plane in fleet in 2008.
Of course Airbus is absolutly unable to deliver the A350 at this date , the sooner would be 2010-2012.
To win this order , Boeing made slots for RAM for 2008 delivery , as they absolutly want this order , as they consider RAM as a prestigious African airline.
I guess they will NOT reopen the RIO route , as this route has been opened with a 747 , only as a caprice of the previous King (HassanII) to carry members of the Royal family , but it was a vaste of money.
Think the new King is quite more reasonable.
Atlanta is a surprise , but why not.
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RE: RAM To Take Four 787s

Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:02 am

Perhaps Airbus should of stated [that] themselves. Instead, from what I've read, they instead claimed that they wouldn't compete due to RAM being unspecific in their tender. That claim has been fully rejected by the airline. It seems they just were trying to muddy the waters so this wasn't perceived for what it, in fact, is.....another clear win for the 787 over the A350. And, they pursued this track after it was clear Boeing had already won the deal. This has been one of the stranger stories I read about an airplane deal. Didn't Airbus also rub India the wrong way not too long ago?
 
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RE: RAM To Take Four 787s

Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:17 am

For those who read French, here's a good article that explains what transpired:

http://www.lagazettedumaroc.com/articles.php?id_artl=7159&r=2&sr=937

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