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BA Threatens To Pull Out Of Canada

Wed May 03, 2000 1:31 am

hello,

in todays canadian papers is an article where BA has threatened to first pull ot of YVR and Montreal. (and perhaps toronto)

AC has advised that they will impose up to three times the connecting charge for BA passengers travelling on AC domestic to connect onto BA.

YOW - LHR via YYZ on BA..... the current amount is about $300.00 that AC recieves.... this amount has now been quoted to increase to just about $1000.00 (i assume we are talking about J-Class as neither of my papers today indicated which class)

This will price BA out of the market.

further, other airlines with a limited scope in canada such as LH, WILL BE UNAFFECTED!



 
avion
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RE: BA Threatens To Pull Out Of Canada

Wed May 03, 2000 2:27 am

BA a will put this to an end very fast. I believe they will prohibit connecting from a BA flight to a AC flight.
BA has much power in LHR and all of the officials are on the BA side. They will probably give AC bad slots and etc.

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RE: BA Threatens To Pull Out Of Canada

Wed May 03, 2000 2:33 am

How many of you honestly think the AC-CP mearger was a good thing? If BA pulls out, not only could AC flights shift to Gatwick, Canada would be stuck with just Lufthansa. Not a very rosy picture.
 
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RE: BA Threatens To Pull Out Of Canada

Wed May 03, 2000 3:36 am

British Airways will not pull out of Canada. This is just posturing and lobbying by BA. Members of oneworld lost Canadi>n Airlines from their ranks. Expect more members of oneworld to posture and lobby against Air Canada.
 
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RE: BA Threatens To Pull Out Of Canada

Wed May 03, 2000 3:58 am

I agree with Polaris.

The Canadian House of Commons transportation committee is conducting hearings on the AC-CP merger and may wish to amend the legislation that governs the merger. BA officials appear before the committee today and this is their opportunity to influence the legislation. BA is taking a strong position, and airing it through the media, in order to influence Canadian public opinion, hopefully sway the committee to amend the legislation in BA's favor, and thus protect their own interests as best as they can.
 
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It Was In The National Post Guys...

Wed May 03, 2000 4:30 am

Given that the story was printed in the National Post, I don't know what to think of it, it always seems to me the National Post has some pretty strong biases. Also, I think BA is posturing, lobbying, and presenting the worst case scenario. The example they gave was YOW-YYZ, I believe, but I am of the understanding that BA used to use CP flights direct on YOW-LHR to serve that market and also had a bus service to YUL, so where is the loss of feed? Same thing goes for YYC-YVR that they mentioned. Also, I understand that the pricing from AC for BA connections is somewhat a flat rate (not sure on that, but I have heard it elsewhere) so that cost isn't so bad on a YYC-YYZ leg if they made the connection like that. Also, BA has the option to work with Via Rail to provide connections to YUL from Ottawa, Quebec City, and so on. I have to say, I think this is pretty political. Also, CP was losing a lot of money and tried to generate cash by sometimes pricing lower than they should have. Also, my feelings towards BA are that if they want the traffic, they can fly the routes- they have authority to fly anywhere between Canada and the UK that they like. Shoot, they could even fly routes like YEG-YYC-LHR and just not be able to carry local passengers on the YYC-YEG leg, if they really wanted. They can complain as they like, but I don't give them too much sympathy. After all, Virgin Atlantic has said they want to fly some routes into Canada, BA wouldn't dare pull out for competitve reasons so I think it's hot air they're blowing.

Also interesting, their spokesman was Mr. Jeff Angel- didn't he used to be with CP?
 
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RE: BA Threatens To Pull Out Of Canada

Wed May 03, 2000 4:35 am

This is a bunch of nonsense from two airlines belonging to nations of the British Commonwealth. These airlines should have some kind of pact as far as connecting flights between the two of them.
 
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RE: It Was In The National Post Guys...

Wed May 03, 2000 4:43 am

And another reason I think they're just posturing: they're flying fairly large aircraft into Canada, 747's as well as 777's. If it's that bad they can downgauge to smaller aircraft to make it economical.
 
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RE: It Was In The National Post Guys...

Wed May 03, 2000 5:30 am

What type of aircraft would they downgaudge to? They operate 767s but these for the most part are operated into Europe and Africa if I am not mistaken. A 757-200?
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RE: It Was In The National Post Guys...

Wed May 03, 2000 5:41 am

CX747 they could use the 757 infact there used to be a flight to YYZ from Manchester i think it was, and BA used the 757.

It will neve happen, there are 47 flights a week between Toronto and London alone (including AC/CP/andBA, but not including the Concorde flights in the summer)
I doubt that BA would ever pull out of Canada give me a break....that would leave the ONE WORLD Alliance with only one airline into Canada, not to mention the fact that by pulling out of Canada BA would be loosing a big market, I'm not saying that they would go bankrupt or suffer a major hit in the pocketbooks, but Canada is a big market for BA and there is NO way that they will ever pull out of Canada
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RE: It Was In The National Post Guys...

Wed May 03, 2000 5:44 am

No big international airline can afford having no services to canada. Ba will never pull out!

Avion
 
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RE: BA Threatens To Pull Out Of Canada

Wed May 03, 2000 7:47 am

i tend to think that perhaps it is politically inspired tact by both AC to increase their charges and for BA to threaten a withdrawl of services.

although the edmonton journal reported the same article, the Ed. Journal went on to say that LH will not be levied with the increases.

Is this specific to BA?

What other airlines may be affected that are on a smaller scale than BA?

SR? AF? what about them?

I wonder.... I wonder if airlines like BA, AA, QF are regretting not pulling CP out of the hole. i ask because although there was an earlier comment about how big canada is to BA and they "will" not pull out, I would suggest that Canada is not big enough for these three airlines to save CP!

On a side note, I flew in J-Class on AC 233 (A319) from YEG - YVR on saturday and our flight snack consisted of a bag of old dutch potato chips! Bloody Business Class and we get potato chips....
 
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Concorde To Canada?

Wed May 03, 2000 7:56 am

>It will neve happen, there are 47 flights a week >between Toronto and London alone (including >AC/CP/andBA, but not including the Concorde flights in >the summer)
The Concorde comes to Canada? Daily? What time? Toronto?
 
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RE: Concorde To Canada?

Wed May 03, 2000 10:42 am

BA bring the concorde in a few times a week to Toronto during the summer on a charter, a few years ago they also had a London Toronto New York Toronto London flight, I think that only happened once though...
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