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Any News On The A350?

Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:11 am

Is there any news on the A350?
New costumers?
Changes to the aircraft?
Total orders?
Rumors?

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RE: Any News On The A350?

Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:14 am

Last rumor I heard on hear was a big EK order to be split with the 787. Not confirmed by anyone yet.
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RE: Any News On The A350?

Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:21 am

EADS Board decided months back to delay a final decision on developing the the A350 until September, so they could concentrate resources on getting the A380 right.
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RE: Any News On The A350?

Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:23 am

Thanks, maybe its another EK and the A380 rumor. I hope the A350 does well and its just getting off on a slow start. It could look better mind.
 
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RE: Any News On The A350?

Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:26 am

I would agree that the A380 is a bigger risk than the A350 and airbus should spend more time working out the minor problems on the A380. How many airlines have placed orders and are many big ones.

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RE: Any News On The A350?

Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:35 am

The A350 has got a big market with enough room for both Boeing and Airbus. Airbus just need to show airlines that they are making some big improvements rather than trying a slightly upgraded clone of the A330 for the sake of commonality. Commonality is very useful but if taken to extreme, we'd still all be flying round in DC-3s. It looks like they're doing that now and getting some response from a couple of customers that order BIG.
 
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RE: Any News On The A350?

Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:46 pm

Airbus said that they'd have 200+ orders/LoIs by end-05. Judging by the activity going on, I think that they should have that no problem. So, they're going to get the kind of orders that they're looking to get.

Also, I'm surprised that R-R hasn't announced their engine for the A350, yet. I thought that it would be agreed by now. AFAIK, the R-R engine will have a re-sized core from their T1000 powering the B787 and this will allow Airbus to do a 260t version of the A350.

Airbus has also detailed some of the aerodynamic improvements. The basic A330 wing planform still exists, but with some minor changes to span, camber and winglets. There is also talk that the re-designed A350 tailplane might find its way onto the A340-500/600, but I'm not sure how realistic that is.

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RE: Any News On The A350?

Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:17 pm

Quoting QFA001 (Reply 6):
Airbus has also detailed some of the aerodynamic improvements. The basic A330 wing planform still exists, but with some minor changes to span, camber and winglets. There is also talk that the re-designed A350 tailplane might find its way onto the A340-500/600, but I'm not sure how realistic that is.

Minor improvements to the A340-500/600 with new methods that are to be introduced to the A350 may become very helpful in obtaining better results. While at the same time retaining some commodity with the A350.

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RE: Any News On The A350?

Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:33 pm

200+ orders by the end of 05, looks good. I think improving the A340-500/600 is a good idea and I hope we can expect it.
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RE: Any News On The A350?

Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:39 pm

Quoting Shamrock350 (Thread starter):
New costumers?

Didn't all Airbus models just get a new costume?  confused 
 
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RE: Any News On The A350?

Thu Aug 11, 2005 10:07 pm

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 8):
200+ orders by the end of 05, looks good

Wasn't that the same promise that the Boeing detractors here on a.net critized so much back in 2004?
While I agree that the market for this size of aircraft has room for both Airbus and Boeing, it seems to me that Boeing will win the majority of that market.
From what I've read so far, and I'll admit it's still too early to come to a final judgement, the A350 seems to be an upgraded A330. Let's hope that Airbus pays serious attention to the sales figures for the 787 and comes up with a truley new design.

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RE: Any News On The A350?

Thu Aug 11, 2005 10:41 pm

The interface designs for the GEnx were frozen by GE, Airbus and GoodrichAero a couple of weeks ago.

In the case of the Trent 1000, it is a bit more tricky as RR wants to tweak the fan to really optimize the engine for the A350.
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RE: Any News On The A350?

Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:05 am

Quoting YUL332LX (Reply 11):
In the case of the Trent 1000, it is a bit more tricky as RR wants to tweak the fan to really optimize the engine for the A350.

If that's true it seems a sensible move. Better a few more months delay now if it means having the better engine on the A350 for the next decade. It certainly seems inconceivable that RR won't be on the A350 - especially with their lead on the A330, their exclusivity on the A345/A346 and their success on the A380. They can't afford to leave a whole market segment all to GE.
 
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RE: Any News On The A350?

Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:20 am

I think that UX is the launch customer of this aircraft as I know. UX decided to take this aircraft because didn´t find a 763ER to buy and to add to it fleet.

Boeing offered the 777 but UX refused it because the surcharge taxes in airports are equally than a 747 or 340.

I heard that TAP will be another customer to replace the fleet of 310 as same as LOT???
 
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RE: Any News On The A350?

Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:41 am

Would the A350 be making history by being the plane that generates most "orders" before it's even launched?
 
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RE: Any News On The A350?

Fri Aug 12, 2005 4:00 am

Actually, nothing's decided yet. The 787 has not proved to be a succes, nor has the A350 - that's all we can tell.

Both aircraft are collecting a certain number of orders, they should be in the amount of some 200+ aircraft by the end of the year.

Both aircraft are interesting, the 787 is a completely new conception (which is important due to the fact that Boeing lost much ground to Airbus in the past two decades), the A350 is an updated A330/340 derivative with all the advantages of such conceptions.

Either way, it will be interesting how the (his)story of both aircraft is being written.
 
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RE: Any News On The A350?

Fri Aug 12, 2005 4:09 am

Quoting Notarzt (Reply 15):
Actually, nothing's decided yet. The 787 has not proved to be a succes, nor has the A350 - that's all we can tell.

Both aircraft are collecting a certain number of orders, they should be in the amount of some 200+ aircraft by the end of the year.

However... 787 has been officially launched by Boeing (They even built a couple of sections for testing), and firm contracts have been inked.

How many orders has A350 generated so far?
 
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RE: Any News On The A350?

Fri Aug 12, 2005 5:02 am

Quoting Ilgrancapo (Reply 13):
I think that UX is the launch customer of this aircraft as I know

Actually the combined HP/US will be the launch customer, which was part of the deal when Airbus kicked in some money to US to be used for exit financing.
 
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RE: Any News On The A350?

Fri Aug 12, 2005 5:03 am

Don't know exactly. I do not trace the development of A350 orders and commitments. I recently heard of some 150 orders and commitments but Airbus will not 'confirm' these as 'orders' until the model is being launched.

So... let's wait until September.  Wink
 
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RE: Any News On The A350?

Fri Aug 12, 2005 5:27 am

Airbus has a lot going on right now - after all of the excitement over the A350 before the Paris Show, the spotlight is back on the A380. There is a lot of positive and negative buzz surrounding the A380, as you probably know, the good news is that its flying and is the newest thing in airplane travel, the bad news is that is heavy and behind schedule. With so much going on, the A350 is on the back burner as far as the media is concerned.

Airbus put off the official launch of the A350 until September, but at this point that is just a formaility and for practical purposes, the program is a go. Air Europa and Qatar seem to be onboard, Airbus is counting on a major order from EK to get the program rolling (although there are some recent rumors that EK is interested in both the 787 and A350 which could reduce the number of A350s that EK orders - who knows with EK - anything is possible) and the combined HP/US will be an A350 customer (those sales are in connection with the contoversial deal by which Airbus will help finance the merged airline once US emerges from bankruptcy court). Will Airbus get 200 orders for the A350 by the end of the year - hard to say, but its possible if a couple of airlines make large commitments to the type and Airbus can convince ILFC (with whom they have a special relationship) to place an early order.

This story will get interesting in the Autumn - its summer in Europe and everyone is on holiday - it is not likely that we will hear anything important until September when the A350 program becomes official.
 
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RE: Any News On The A350?

Fri Aug 12, 2005 8:02 am

Quoting Notarzt (Reply 15):
The 787 has not proved to be a succes,

With nearly 200 firm orders (if you count the 42 chinese), over 200 firm orders (counting the other 18 that will be announced shortly which means then they will all be officially, official), and over 250 commitments for a plane that won't fly for 18 months, I am not sure what you consider a success, but that is damn successful, considering the long term market for this class of plane (replacing A330/767/A300/A310/753 alone is 1000s of aircraft).
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