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Bombing Prevented On ASA Flight To ATL?

Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:13 am

Heard on the news that there are preliminary reports that someone tried to get a bomb on board ASA flight 4806 from ISO to ATL. They said it was 3 sticks of dynamite wired to a cell phone. Anyone have any more info? The Delta website says 4806 is cancelled.

[Edited 2005-08-12 03:23:05]
 
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RE: Bomb Found On ASA Flight To ATL

Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:19 am

Yowza - HOW did that get through TSA?
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RE: Bomb Found On ASA Flight To ATL

Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:20 am

The ISO-ATL was canceled (ISO is Kinston, NC)
What kind of crazy would put a bomb on that plane. I mean, I don't condone bombs on planes, obviosly, but if you can get it on an ATL-ISO flight, then you could probably get it on a heavy 767. (not giving terrorists ideas here, but I think I do have a good point here)
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RE: Bomb Found On ASA Flight To ATL

Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:21 am

In case anyone else did not know where ISO airport is I found it online as Kinston, North Carolina. The hold-the-mouse-over-the-identifier feature doesn't cover this one.

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RE: Bomb Found On ASA Flight To ATL

Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:21 am

Sources? Any nEws feeds? I did a search but was unable to come up with anything.
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RE: Bomb Found On ASA Flight To ATL

Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:23 am

Quoting HNL (Reply 1):
Yowza - HOW did that get through TSA?

They probibly hid it in plan site. TSA=thousands Standing Around

Quoting Positiverate (Thread starter):
Heard on the news that there are preliminary reports that someone tried to get a bomb on board ASA flight 4806 from ISO to ATL. They said it was 3 sticks of dynamite wired to a cell phone. Anyone have any more info? The Delta website says 4806 is cancelled.

You said they TRIED to get it aboard? If they suceeded, then they did get it aboard. Was the flight canceled by the FBI to gather evidence?
 
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RE: Bombing Prevented On ASA Flight To ATL?

Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:24 am

I think it's preliminary (heard it on Fox). I amended the thread heading to reflect that they caught it before it got on the plane.
 
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RE: Bomb Found On ASA Flight To ATL

Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:24 am

Maybe it was another stupid idiot trying to be funny...
 
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RE: Bombing Prevented On ASA Flight To ATL?

Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:25 am

Weird though; two bombs caught in the same day on DL: one in OKC, one in ISO.
 
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RE: Bomb Found On ASA Flight To ATL

Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:28 am

Maybe they were trying to get in thru the back door. The 9-11 terrorists went thru security in Bangor, Maine (kind of funny that now Bangor is the divert airport for aircrafts with passengers on the exclusive no-fly list). Anyway, maybe they had a connecting flight on a widebody from ATL.
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RE: Bombing Prevented On ASA Flight To ATL?

Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:34 am

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 8):
one in OKC

Wow

Is there a thread for the OKC bomb?
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RE: Bombing Prevented On ASA Flight To ATL?

Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:40 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):
TSA=thousands Standing Around

Take scissors Away.

Quoting Juventus (Reply 7):
Maybe it was another stupid idiot trying to be funny...

He will not get the last laugh.

Quoting RamerinianAir (Reply 9):
The 9-11 terrorists went thru security in Bangor, Maine

Portland, Maine.
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RE: Bombing Prevented On ASA Flight To ATL?

Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:46 am

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 10):
Is there a thread for the OKC bomb?

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RE: Bombing Prevented On ASA Flight To ATL?

Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:46 am

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 11):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):
TSA=thousands Standing Around

Take scissors Away.

Sorry, for a simple Dutch boy who's not very familiar with the American security system, what does it really stand for?
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Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:48 am

Quoting 777KLM (Reply 13):
Sorry, for a simple Dutch boy who's not very familiar with the American security system, what does it really stand for?

Transportation Security Administration, part of the Department of Barnyard Security (DHS).
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RE: Bombing Prevented On ASA Flight To ATL?

Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:00 am

The 9-11 terrorists went thru security in Bangor, Maine (kind of funny that now Bangor is the divert airport for aircrafts with passengers on the exclusive no-fly list).

Incorrect. They boarded through Portland, Maine....about 2 1/2 hours south of BGR.
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RE: Bombing Prevented On ASA Flight To ATL?

Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:03 am

Everybody relax it was just a toothbrush.

End of story.

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RE: Bombing Prevented On ASA Flight To ATL?

Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:41 pm

nice to see that TWO, TWO "explosive devices" were found by the TSA screeners in each city.
SAD to see that there are still idiots around that think TSA are totally useless.
Congrats TSA on these finds.
If you read the article "Norman man out on bail" you will see that perhaps this kid did use explosives for fun and just forgot it was in his bag. That is no excuse ever! If you know you are going to be traveling with a bag, make sure there is nothing in it by accident or previous trip that will cause you a delay at the checkpoint-not only does it hold YOU up but EVERYONE behind you too. Yea I know that is just common sense- talk about a commodity of high demand and short supply.
But you might see a young man who you know NOTHING about (i.e, mentality, temper, depressed, suicidal/homicidal tendencies) who could be dangerous to others. Either way its a good thing this IED was stopped before anything could happen.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):
Quoting HNL (Reply 1):
Yowza - HOW did that get through TSA?

They probibly hid it in plan site. TSA=thousands Standing Around


They Stopped Abomb!

Ok two actually, TWO, TWO!!!
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RE: Bombing Prevented On ASA Flight To ATL?

Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:51 pm

Here is something nice about the TSA...

I think TSA does a fine job in LAX, IAH, TPA, SNA, SRQ, MCO, PBI and SLC, in my vast or limited experience with those airports. I've always felt they were scanning the monitors carefully, watching the eyes and behaviors of pax, pulling bags for a second search when they see ANYTHING out of the ordinary, etc. And in general, they make it very risky for someone to try to come through with something bad, which is the whole point, to discourage. They work hand in hand with the rent-a-cops that work the lines pre and post screening, and I feel as safe as I guess I can expect to without being subjected to strip searches, and they generally do it with a friendly, positive attitude.

Unfortunately, the TSA seem to be made up of the same clowns at EWR, JFK, and LGA that were working there pre-911. I'm a new yorker by birth, but I am ashamed of the level of professionalism at these three airports.

Chatting about personal lives, not watching the monitors, copping attitudes with everyone, just horrible.

You'd think NYC would be extra cautious, not the least professional in the country.
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RE: Bombing Prevented On ASA Flight To ATL?

Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:51 pm

Quoting CVG2LGA (Reply 17):
nice to see that TWO, TWO "explosive devices" were found by the TSA screeners in each city.
SAD to see that there are still idiots around that think TSA are totally useless.
Congrats TSA on these finds.

It was a toothbrush ...another good laugh  Smile

The TSA are OK I guess
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RE: Bombing Prevented On ASA Flight To ATL?

Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:18 pm

I've flown out of LGA on Delta, and also ATA. I've never had any problems with the screeners. They were nice and the ones I saw anyway were paying attention to thier jobs. I even met a few who chatted with me after getting off the subway at JFK. We talked about the job and differences there and in Cincy. After going through the checkpoint for ATA, I don't know if I could handle it. So many people and so little room lol. It reminds me working the checkpoint in CVG outside of Customs, if anyone here remembers that a few years ago it was and still is terrible at times.
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RE: Bombing Prevented On ASA Flight To ATL?

Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:39 pm

Quoting CVG2LGA (Reply 17):
Congrats TSA on these finds.

Also congrats to them for finding United States Congressman John Hostettler’s loaded 9mm at SDF in April 2004 that he "completely forgot."

Quoting CVG2LGA (Reply 20):
They were nice

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Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:15 pm

Dentist causes nearly 4-hour lockdown
August 12,2005
Michael Abernthey
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Kinston Regional Jetport was on lockdown for more than three hours Thursday night after a suspicious item was found in a New Bern dentist's luggage.

At about 6 p.m., Darryl Warren and four other passengers were stopped from boarding Delta Flight 4806 bound for Atlanta after X-ray technicians saw a small device with protruding wires in Warren's bag.

Units from Kinston Public Safety Department, North Lenoir Fire Department, state Highway Patrol, the Lenoir County fire marshal and an FBI agent responded to an alarm from the jetport's communication center. Roads leading to the airport remained closed while the threat was investigated.

Warren was detained and questioned by Lenoir County sheriff's deputies for three and a half hours while the bomb squad from Marine Air Corps Station at Cherry Point checked the device and determined it was not a safety threat.

Passengers remained on the plane while authorities dismantled and checked the device for explosives. Delta later canceled the Atlanta flight and sent passengers who were not from Kinston to a hotel.

The item that caused the furor was an oral cleaning device.

Detective Sgt. Jeff A. Herring of Lenoir County Sheriff's Office said the small hose attached to the device appeared to be wires that aroused the suspicion of airport security.

"The item didn't appear to be what it was described to be," Herring said. "It didn't look like what it was."

"To be honest, I saw it on the monitor and it did look suspicious," Warren said. "It was just a possible threat, I guess."

Warren was on his way to Florida to attend a dental seminar.

"This is the first time we have had to respond to an actual incident," Herring said. "We have trained for this, but this is the first time we've had an incident."

Herring said the timing of the lockdown was opportune because Lenoir County emergency teams had completed disaster drills and training last week. Because of that training, he said, everything "fell into place" Thursday.

"The good thing about training is that you learn from it and see things you may need to change later," Herring said.

Officials hope that people will learn to be careful about what they pack.

"I recommend that passengers check baggage closely before they board a flight," Herring said. "If there's anything that might be suspicious looking, let the (X-ray) technician know."

After Warren was detained, four passengers who were not allowed to board the flight were kept in the parking lot by Transportation Security Officials.

Yoel Bakas, an employee of Varian Medical Systems in Atlanta, had no idea that the man he stood behind in line and talked with casually while waiting to board would be detained by airport security.

"He seemed like a nice guy," Bakas said. "(Security) saw something in the bag they didn't like and pulled him aside." Bakas said he heard Warren tell security that it was a Water Pik.

Bakas and the three other passengers - Satya Chakravorty and Jerry Asbell of Atlanta, and Tim Wynn of Philadelphia -were tired and frustrated after waiting for officials to tell them they could leave. But they said the events would give them a good story to tell folks back home.

"This is my worst nightmare," said Tim Wynn, a passenger from Philadelphia who was not allowed to board the plane. "I have a lot of stories to tell, but this one takes the cake."


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RE: Bombing Prevented On ASA Flight To ATL?

Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:34 pm

Ok, credit where due . . . .  faint 

I recently read an article where the TSA is soliciting for appropriate technology so we can keep our shoes on while clearing security - that'll be nice . . . won't have to change my socks before I put my shoes back on at Security any longer so I can trashcan the socks in which I've walked the airport floor picking up who the hell knows what kind of fungi from my fellow passengers . . . .

And good catch on two explosive devices . . .. about time all the gawddamn money we've spent was seen to show a positive result - and gotten away from the 80 year old Granny's with walkers and the bottles of breast milk.

Now if we could just get the TSA to treat passengers items as if it were their own???

On a progress scale of 1 to 10 for the TSA, this rates about a +.005. They have a LOOOONGGG way to go before I'm satisfied my tax dollars aren't being pissed away by incompetent morons.

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RE: Bombing Prevented On ASA Flight To ATL?

Sat Aug 13, 2005 1:09 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 18):
Unfortunately, the TSA seem to be made up of the same clowns at EWR, JFK, and LGA that were working there pre-911. I'm a new yorker by birth, but I am ashamed of the level of professionalism at these three airports.

Chatting about personal lives, not watching the monitors, copping attitudes with everyone, just horrible.

You'd think NYC would be extra cautious, not the least professional in the country.

At both DCA and IAD they do a terrible job as well. They are all joking around with eachother and not looking at the monitors. The only other place where security is a bigger joke is at GVA, where last month I boarded an AS flight to Vienna for a connection to IAD. I had been backcountry skiing and had a decenetly large knife in my bag. At GVA they completely missed it, but when I was rechecked at the gate in Vienna, they were incredibly good. They found the knife, and patted down everyone. There were also dogs on both sides of the jetway who you had to walk through prior to boarding. I was really impressed with the security operation in Vienna, but Dulles is pretty bad. Best security in the US I've been through is actually HHH.
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RE: Bombing Prevented On ASA Flight To ATL?

Sat Aug 13, 2005 3:39 am

I love how everyone thinks they have all of the answers, can do a better job, know so much more.

I am not saying that the TSA is perfect - far from it. But security has come a long way since before 9/11. While there are certain things which are a bit extreme, such as frisking an old lady or a woman with a baby, while a shady character is allowed to go through, so as we do not infringe on rights (thanks ACLU!), screening could be a lot better.

But instead of pissing and moaning about everything, why not propose some changes? Why not give ideas, instead of just coming up with BS little jokes like TSA=thousands standing around - and propose ideas. What is so bad about their service, what could be done better and what do you actually like?

I get people complaining about what I do a lot and thinking they can do better. Everyone has an opinion, but they just make a bunch of noise and never do anything to improve the quality of anything, just complain, whine and like to hear themselves talk.
 
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RE: Bombing Prevented On ASA Flight To ATL?

Sat Aug 13, 2005 3:55 am

OK, so how did the first post report 3 sticks of dynamite wired to a cell phone, when it was a dental device? Is this what the screener "guessed" it might be?

So, was the other "explosive device" reported today also a non-threat or real?
 
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RE: Bombing Prevented On ASA Flight To ATL?

Sat Aug 13, 2005 3:56 am

Quoting Robsawatsky (Reply 26):
OK, so how did the first post report 3 sticks of dynamite wired to a cell phone, when it was a dental device? Is this what the screener "guessed" it might be?

I was just reporting what was said on the news...
 
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RE: Bombing Prevented On ASA Flight To ATL?

Sat Aug 13, 2005 3:57 am

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 21):
Paramount in screeners’ job duties.

Actually, being nice and courteous is important because it will create more cooperative and faster pax, and it will make really nervous people that much more suspicious. After all, if you are being treated well and you still behave like an ass, or are shifty, etc., it stands out more.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 23):
won't have to change my socks before I put my shoes back on at Security any longer so I can trashcan the socks in which I've walked the airport floor picking up who the hell knows what kind of fungi from my fellow passengers . . . .

Wow, someone has issues.

Quoting Goodmanr (Reply 24):
The only other place where security is a bigger joke is at GVA, where last month I boarded an AS flight to Vienna for a connection to IAD.

Yeah, but in Geneva and Zurich, the Swiss Guard walk around inside security, dressed in black with loaded Uzis. That's a big deterrent. I wouldn't try anything with them around. Which is why we in the US had national guard with semi-automatic weapons standing around inside security post 9/11...
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RE: Bombing Prevented On ASA Flight To ATL?

Sat Aug 13, 2005 4:03 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):
TSA=thousands Standing Around

LOL! Thats so true.. I was working in JFK for 3 days out on the ramp to help them out last month, and, I did some time in the bag room, and, I have never seen such lazy people in my life.. 6 CT Scanners, and about 12 TSA agents.. and using only 1 damn scanner.. when all you need is 3 people to a scanner... They were complaining about how they needed a TV, and more compfortable chairs.. and you can't say anything to them, because they work for the government.. hell, maybe our tax dollars can get them a couch, fridge, a plasma TV and maybe their own personal chef.
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RE: Bombing Prevented On ASA Flight To ATL?

Sat Aug 13, 2005 5:23 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 28):
Yeah, but in Geneva and Zurich, the Swiss Guard walk around inside security, dressed in black with loaded Uzis. That's a big deterrent. I wouldn't try anything with them around. Which is why we in the US had national guard with semi-automatic weapons standing around inside security post 9/11...

I go to GVA every month or two and have only seen heavily armed guards two or three times. I rarely, if ever, travel to Zurich but GVA is a really open airport it seems.
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RE: Bombing Prevented On ASA Flight To ATL?

Sat Aug 13, 2005 6:23 am

Quoting Positiverate (Thread starter):
They said it was 3 sticks of dynamite wired to a cell phone



Quoting TokyoNarita (Reply 16):
Everybody relax it was just a toothbrush.

A Tim "the Tool Man" Taylor job?

Quoting Goodmanr (Reply 24):
I had been backcountry skiing and had a decenetly large knife in my bag. At GVA they completely missed it

What makes it worse is that, after you've checked your bags in and gone through to departures, there's a shop that sells big knives, even after September 11th. I'd always wondered about that and some British journalist did an "expose". He (or she) asked about buying a knife and carrying it on board. When he/she said he/she was travelling to the UK, the people in the shop said it would be no problem - it was allowed.
 
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RE: Bombing Prevented On ASA Flight To ATL?

Sat Aug 13, 2005 6:53 am

Quoting Goodmanr (Reply 24):
At both DCA and IAD they do a terrible job as well. They are all joking around with eachother and not looking at the monitors. The only other place where security is a bigger joke is at GVA, where last month I boarded an AS flight to Vienna for a connection to IAD. I had been backcountry skiing and had a decenetly large knife in my bag. At GVA they completely missed it, but when I was rechecked at the gate in Vienna, they were incredibly good. They found the knife, and patted down everyone. There were also dogs on both sides of the jetway who you had to walk through prior to boarding. I was really impressed with the security operation in Vienna, but Dulles is pretty bad. Best security in the US I've been through is actually HHH.

This is turning into a terrorists helpdesk, maybe I am just being paranoid but isnt it in the national interest for Americans to be very quiet about TSA "incompetence" and refrain from listing airports that have rubbish security procedures?

Maybe there is a less public way of addressing the issues?
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RE: Bombing Prevented On ASA Flight To ATL?

Sat Aug 13, 2005 9:23 am

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 32):
refrain from listing airports that have rubbish security procedures

Which, according to TSA would be just about every international airport outside the US. There's a reason they order everything coming off int'l flights rescreened...
 
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Sat Aug 13, 2005 10:35 am

Quoting Crogalski (Reply 29):
I did some time in the bag room, and, I have never seen such lazy people in my life.. 6 CT Scanners, and about 12 TSA agents.. and using only 1 damn scanner.. when all you need is 3 people to a scanner... They were complaining about how they needed a TV, and more compfortable chairs..

I wonder what Mr. CVG2LGA has to say about that!?!?!

Should have taken pics - and mailed them to your newpaper.

Lazy, worthless, overpaid, morons.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 28):
Wow, someone has issues.

Nope, no issues - maybe I just prefer to stay cleaner than you do . . . would rather NOT run around on a floor where several THOUSAND other people have been in their sometimes bare feet and then put my shoes back on? It's a simply concept really . . .

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 32):
This is turning into a terrorists helpdesk, maybe I am just being paranoid but isnt it in the national interest for Americans to be very quiet about TSA "incompetence" and refrain from listing airports that have rubbish security procedures?

Jafa, I might agree, almost - if it weren't for the fact the terrorists surely KNOW this already . . . it's not like they all left after 9/11 for fear they may get caught . . .
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Sat Aug 13, 2005 10:53 am

Quoting Crogalski (Reply 29):
how they needed a TV, and more compfortable chairs.. and you can't say anything to them, because they work for the government.. hell, maybe our tax dollars can get them a couch, fridge, a plasma TV and maybe their own personal chef.

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