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How To Ship Freight On DL

Sun Aug 14, 2005 10:47 am

I'm moving from MCI to DAB to begin college in a couple weeks and i was wondering if anyone knew the best way to ship my belongings. Would it be a good idea to ship them on delta, the flight is serviced with a MD-88 and a couple CRJ's per day. i'm on the 88 from MCI to ATL, and another 88 from ATL-DAB, i probably have enough to fill an LD2 and i have no clue how i should go about inquiring about this matter, no matter how much i know about aviation and planes etc. any help is appreciated greatly.
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RE: How To Ship Freight On DL

Sun Aug 14, 2005 10:49 am

Delta Dash. But you need an account, you can't just walk up to the ticket counter for security reasons and ship something.

http://www.delta.com/business_progra...ucts_services/delta_dash/index.jsp
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RE: How To Ship Freight On DL

Sun Aug 14, 2005 10:50 am

Looks like the answer might be that they can do it for you, how much the cost will be, only they can answer.
http://www.delta.com/business_progra...vices/domestic_shipments/index.jsp

Edit:
Drat, beaten to it!!  Smile

[Edited 2005-08-14 03:51:42]
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RE: How To Ship Freight On DL

Sun Aug 14, 2005 10:55 am

Unless money is no object, I'd sure start looking for another alternative. Shipping that amount of cargo on a regularly scheduled passenger flight is not going to be cheap. A freight forwarding service or moving service, perhaps?

But an LD2's worth of stuff is going to cost no matter what you do.

Good luck.
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RE: How To Ship Freight On DL

Sun Aug 14, 2005 11:00 am

how about UPS ground? why would you spend that kind of money?
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RE: How To Ship Freight On DL

Sun Aug 14, 2005 11:06 am

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 4):
how about UPS ground? why would you spend that kind of money?

You should consider that. It doesn't take that long at all (few days at most) and is MUCH cheaper.
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RE: How To Ship Freight On DL

Sun Aug 14, 2005 11:38 am

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 4):
how about UPS ground?

That's a good point. UPS SonicAir is the best route less than 24 hours round the world mechanism, which could use these coveted DL flights that ERAUMcDlover mentions.

https://www.sonicair.ups.com/ups/

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RE: How To Ship Freight On DL

Sun Aug 14, 2005 3:09 pm

Quoting B4real (Reply 6):



Quoting B4real (Reply 6):
Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 4):
how about UPS ground?

That's a good point. UPS SonicAir is the best route less than 24 hours round the world mechanism, which could use these coveted DL flights that ERAUMcDlover mentions.

https://www.sonicair.ups.com/ups/

Any way you go about it, if you're going to ship it freight in some way (other than a "package service" like UPS or Fedex) you're going to want to first box everything. Pack it VERY well, with sufficient packing materials to protect against a good shock.

Then pile all the boxes on a wooden shipping pallet. Wrap the WHOLE THING several times over in plastic shrink wrap, then strap the whole mess onto the pallet from both directions, securely.

Now pick the air-freight forwarder of your choice, take the pallet to them, and off it goes.

You can ship 2-300 lbs air-freight (2-3 day delivery) for around $180.

- litz

(who's done this many times with video games and pinball machines)
 
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RE: How To Ship Freight On DL

Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:44 pm

Cheapest would be DHL or Fedex Ground. UPS is always the most expensive carrier versus DHL/Fedex, and they're usually slower too (1 extra day for ground operations to most locations than DHL or Fedex for example).

I once checked rates under Delta Connection's cargo service, to my surprise they offered fairly cheap rates (It wouldent be worth it if your sending small parcels - But I checked large packages like 80+ pounds and the rates were pretty cheap)

The only thing is...keep in mind you'll have to drop it off at the airport, and pick it up at the airport (thats if you choose an airline for shipping). I suppose this wont be a problem if you're going there anyways, though I thought i'd mention it if you planned on sending it before you depart MCI or arrive in DAB.

Direct link to Deltas rate quote system:

http://etraccargo.interlink-data.com...booking/onlinebooking/rateinq.aspx

Since Continental also flys to DAB (along with MCI)...you might also want to check into them too:

http://www.cocargo.com/cocargo/

Get Continental Container rates ( or bulk shipment rates) here:

http://www.cocargo.com/cocargo/tariffs/Domestic%20Rates.pdf

I compared rates with these companies from Kansas City, MO to Daytona Beach, FL.

I used: 1 Package, 80 Pounds, 30x30x30, Contents " Baggage "

Just used it as an estimate.

Continental "EH" Container Bulk Rate = $70.00
Continental "E" Container Bulk Rate = $118.00
Continental "LD3" Container Bulk Rate = $450.00
Continental "LD7" Container Bulk Rate = $1345.00

Delta's Dash Same Day Service = $137.63

Fedex Standard Overnight = $425.75
Fedex Ground = (About) $80.00

For what its worth though...i'd spend the extra cash and ship it via air. Its *Much* safer that it sits in the belly of an aircraft untouched by humans for most of its journey...then passing through several conveyer belts at numerous hubs across the country.

Your best option, even though i'm not sure how much your taking with you, is probably:

#1 - Continentals " Bulk E Container ". If you can fit everything into this: then there you go. As to how they'll fit that onto any of their planes in MCI/DAB (ERJ's, 737s, etc.) I have no idea (maybe contract with Kitty Hawk/UPS/Fedex, etc. to carry containers?), but...well, I guess somehow they do it since they offer the service.

#2 - Delta's Dash Service if the E container is too small or you need multiple parcels that, in the end, wont all completely fit into the container.

I was so close to being in the same boat you are right now. I'm going to college in 3 weeks, and was accepted at ERAU and planned on going there (I live in Michigan) this fall...and already checked shipping rates long ago (hence i'm familiar with the above). Though I changed my mind at the last minute and i'm staying in Michigan (going to Eastern-Michigan University) so one of the things I no longer have to worry about is trying to ship all of my items down to DAB.

Good luck, let us know how it goes  Wink
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RE: How To Ship Freight On DL

Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:56 pm

Quoting Litz (Reply 7):
Now pick the air-freight forwarder of your choice, take the pallet to them, and off it goes.

You can ship 2-300 lbs air-freight (2-3 day delivery) for around $180.

Thats another good idea - though theres a couple problems. How would a college student haul a pallet to a freight forwarder, as he probably doesnt have a large enough vehicle (I suppose he could rent a U-Haul truck, but that costs extra money)...but then he doesnt have a fork-lift to lift the pallet...lol.

Some freight companies do offer pickup service I believe.

Another thing that sucks though is that... if its "Air-Freight" (2-3 days), it typically doesnt travel by air. Usually it'll be 70-80% ground, then a small portion by air. Since this is MCI-DAB, i'd be willing to bet it'd be 3 days, all ground. Companies call it "air-freight" but love to cut corners and ship it by ground as long as it gets there the day its supposed to (Very good example = UPS). It drives me nuts when they do that. Its like paying for First Class and get stuck with Coach. You pay for air but its shipped ground. UPS/DHL do that quite often, UPS more than anyone though. Fedex Express, rarely (probably because their ground operations are completely seperated from Express).

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RE: How To Ship Freight On DL

Mon Aug 15, 2005 12:57 am

I wouldn't bother with the express parcel carriers, grab the yellow pages and contact a freight forwarder, they will collect and deliver.
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RE: How To Ship Freight On DL

Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:34 am

thanks for all the great posts. i'm going to get this all finalized tomorrow. that "E" container looks just about the right size. man, thats crazy you could've been going to school with me, and stayed in Michigan, its hard leaving home, i give you that. i can get pallets though, i work for the largest food distributor in the midwest, Associated Wholesale Grocers, all i do all day long is drive around with pallets and fill grocery orders, so pallets ironically are not a problem. i do not have a vehicle big enough, or a forklift at my house though....but i'm going to look into that e container. so you guys think that that would be brought to DAB from MCI, and then what, use the airport shuttle to go across to the ERAU campus, seriously.....that could work....
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RE: How To Ship Freight On DL

Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:39 am

You've got to be kidding. Go to Penske, UHaul, whatever and rent a truck and drive it there. You're not moving overseas.
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RE: How To Ship Freight On DL

Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:31 am

When i was in college, and i was as poor as dirt, i shipping my stuff via Grayhound Bus Lines. MUCH less expansive than by air.
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RE: How To Ship Freight On DL

Mon Aug 15, 2005 3:02 am

Quoting ERAUMcDlover (Reply 11):
thanks for all the great posts. i'm going to get this all finalized tomorrow. that "E" container looks just about the right size. man, thats crazy you could've been going to school with me, and stayed in Michigan, its hard leaving home, i give you that. i can get pallets though, i work for the largest food distributor in the midwest, Associated Wholesale Grocers, all i do all day long is drive around with pallets and fill grocery orders, so pallets ironically are not a problem. i do not have a vehicle big enough, or a forklift at my house though....but i'm going to look into that e container. so you guys think that that would be brought to DAB from MCI, and then what, use the airport shuttle to go across to the ERAU campus, seriously.....that could work....

lol yeah that is kind of weird. But hey...theres probably many many students who are looking into the same thing right now, they just dont know of airliners.net  Wink

It'll be very hard leaving home for me since I like it so much. 99.9% of all of my family members live in Michigan, except one who lives in California. I'd be the sole lone rider down in Florida far far away from anyone I know. Now that i'm staying in Michigan i'm a measely 2hours max away from everyone (except the relative in California of course) which is a big plus. Those were just some of the reasons why I switched from ERAU to Emich.

The cool thing about the "E" container is that at least you wont have to haul this massive crate/pallet/container everywhere. You pack a lot of small/medium/large packages (Lets say you had 12 boxes, each was 18x18x18 for example) then just take them to the airport and the airline will place them in the "E" container. Once it gets to DAB, no problem, they'll unload it and you wont have to take this massive load at first. You can just grab whatever you can (if you have car for instance) and stick it in the back seat and trunk. Haul it back to your dorm room, unload, then go back to DAB, collect the rest and you're all set.

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 12):
You've got to be kidding. Go to Penske, UHaul, whatever and rent a truck and drive it there. You're not moving overseas.

If that was me...I wouldent want to drive across the country at age 18, especially riding in a huge U-Haul that probably 99.9% of 18 year olds have never driven anything of such size. Then there are plenty of other costs involved. Renting the truck, hotel stays, gas prices, and so on, in the end it'd probably be the same price as the Continental E container or Delta's Dash. Plus he already booked airline tickets from MCI-DAB so that option is already impossible.
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RE: How To Ship Freight On DL

Mon Aug 15, 2005 3:48 am

Don't bother with the airlines, they are not allowed to not accept any freight from "walk-in" customers off the street. You or your company need to be listed as "known shippers" by the TSA. (unless your shipment is less than 16 oz) Of course if any one out there just walked into an airline's freight office (as an unknown shipper) and were allowed to ship, I'd like to hear about it. (so I can pass it on to the TSA!!)

Freight forwarders are subject to the same rules unless they are not shipping on a passenger airline.

In addition to the fedex/ups type companies, I'd also check out the rates offered by some of the moving companies. I don't know if they're rates would be reasonable, but it's worth checking out.
 
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RE: How To Ship Freight On DL

Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:06 am

Warsawa,

I noticed that the photo under "Continental's Bulk E container" is actually a Delta LD-2 container. The LD-2 was originally developed for the thinner cargo pit of the 767 (thinner when compared to the 747/DC10). It also can ride on a 777.

An E container is a large cardboard box measuring roughly 36x24x24. The airlines generally don't provide them. The E and it's smaller brother, the EH, are used mostly for perishable shipments.

Also, the ULD (Unit Load Devices) rates you quoted are kind of misleading. A shipper would pay the same ULD rate for his LD2 if the contents weighed 100 LBS or 2,500 LBS (about the max weight of an LD2). The shipper is buying the container space on the flight, regardless of weight. The LD7, while seemingly expensive, can be very cost effective when loaded to the max of about 10,000 LBS. These rates are also for "shipper loaded" containers. If the airline loads a container for you, the bulk rate applies (more $$). Of course not all routes can support these containers, you'd need a widebody aircraft or a truck service.

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RE: How To Ship Freight On DL

Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:50 am

Go to your local airport cargo office and see if any of the airlines have any cardboard E or EH containers left by consignees. These are both managable sizes. They will be a little beat up, but still useable.
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RE: How To Ship Freight On DL

Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:52 am

On the freight-forwarders front, note that most freight that goes long distance across the US actually travels by *train*, not truck ... they load up those cargo containers, put 'em on a mixed-container train, and off they go.

Usually the conveyor-belt sorting only happens at the beginning and end of the trip (unless you're talking ups/fedex packages).

And conveyors are never used for pallets - those are still sorted by people driving forklifts.

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RE: How To Ship Freight On DL

Mon Aug 15, 2005 5:57 am

Just do what I do and ship it Via USPS, FEDEX, or UPS.

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RE: How To Ship Freight On DL

Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:51 am

I shipped a cat once on Delta Dash without an account. My mom was watching my brother's cat while he was serving overseas. When he returned, he was not able to find work in his field in Arizona, and instead moved to Boston. He asked for his cat back, so I put the cat into a carrier and went to the airport. They made me buy a new carrier, but they were more than willing to ship it.
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RE: How To Ship Freight On DL

Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:58 am

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 5):
You should consider that. It doesn't take that long at all (few days at most) and is MUCH cheaper.

And half of your boxes will be destroyed, seriously everytime something came into the store that I used to work at when UPS came, half of the boxes would be destroyed and soaking wet.

As for me, what little I cant take, im shipping to UND (which i founda much better and much cheaper option the ERAU, and I get more education in other things) anyway, im shipping Via. Northwest Cargo.
 
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RE: How To Ship Freight On DL

Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:31 am

Quoting DouglasDC8 (Reply 16):
I noticed that the photo under "Continental's Bulk E container" is actually a Delta LD-2 container.

Hmm ok...I searched on Googles Images under "Airline E Container" and thats what came up. I used a few other different keywords for an E container and an ANA container came up (same size as the Delta one).

Quoting DouglasDC8 (Reply 16):
Also, the ULD (Unit Load Devices) rates you quoted are kind of misleading.

Just posting some examples from the pdf document

Quoting Litz (Reply 18):
And conveyors are never used for pallets - those are still sorted by people driving forklifts.

lol thats pretty obvious, that'd be one hell of a huge conveyor belt (and thick too), though I was referring to UPS/DHL/Fedex etc.

Well ERAUMcDlover...still plenty of options and many good suggestions in this thread  Wink
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RE: How To Ship Freight On DL

Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:34 am

Burnsie28

UPS delivers millions of pkgs daily.. They rarely get smashed by our employees. You have to look at the shipper pkging the box. All boxes in the UPS system should have tape on all sides of the package. Do you see shippers doing this? No, usually it's one strip on the top of the box for a 40lbs box, and then the shipper is surprised the box failed. When is the last time anyone looked at box crush tests??

There is no UPS AIR SERVICE. Nowhere in the UPS service guide does it say that EXPRESS, EXPED. pkgs flow via AIR only. Yes in the U.S. there is a combination of air and ground movements, but this is one of the reasons why we've been in business for 98 years (aug 28th). We know efficiency.
 
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RE: How To Ship Freight On DL

Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:51 am

HZ737400,

Live animal shipments are exempt from the "known shipper" rule. That's why people off the street can ship animals.

Warszawa,

I hope my comments didn't come across as mean spirited, they were not ment to be.
 
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RE: How To Ship Freight On DL

Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:43 pm

i've been waiting and waiting to get onto airliners.net, and then i decided that if i was moving, then i should tap this resource which i spend so much time on anyway. northwest doesn't serve DAB, so i can't imagine northwest cargo working...u-haul.....no way. no companies list so no.....container....usps is outrageously expensive, but that pallet idea didn't sound too bad....i think i'll call delta tomorrow, and then the freight companies and if i still can't crack it.....we'll have to start....how to move me to DAB part II lol, thanks for all the great tips and....keep them coming, this moving ordeal is just beginning, i leave the 23rd, so it has to be taken care of by the end of this business wk. nite.
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RE: How To Ship Freight On DL

Mon Aug 15, 2005 5:18 pm

Quoting Litz (Reply 18):
And conveyors are never used for pallets - those are still sorted by people driving forklifts.

I was just imagining pallets tumbling down a giant conveyor. Too funny!

Quoting DouglasDC8 (Reply 24):
Live animal shipments are exempt from the "known shipper" rule. That's why people off the street can ship animals.

Enter the animatronic bomb-cat.
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RE: How To Ship Freight On DL

Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:04 pm

Quoting Squad55 (Reply 23):
There is no UPS AIR SERVICE.

Sonic Air Same Day Flight / Next Day Air / Next Day Air Saver / 2nd Day Air Big grin

Quoting Squad55 (Reply 23):
Nowhere in the UPS service guide does it say that EXPRESS, EXPED. pkgs flow via AIR only. Yes in the U.S. there is a combination of air and ground movements, but this is one of the reasons why we've been in business for 98 years (aug 28th). We know efficiency.

Well, thats why when I ship air, I use Fedex Express. I ship probably 1-6 packages per week Fedex Overnight Air, and an occasional Fedex Express Saver. My fedex packages travel out of the FNT hub (727's to IND and MEM). For example, sent a Fedex Saver to GEG (Spokane Washington). It was trucked to IND since its a 3-day saver package. I dont mind having it shipped on *Fedex Express* trucks where I know it wont be smashed by some 120 pound ground package, plus the small distance. Trucked to IND, flew IND-OAK, then OAK-GEG. 2 Flights, short ground haul on a designated Fedex Express-Only truck.

UPS would probably: Truck it FNT-LAN. Truck it LAN-Wyoming Michigan, Truck it Wyoming Michigan - Chicago Area, Truck it Chicago Area - Des Moines Iowa (or somewhere to the midwest), and then have it catch a flight to BFI, and then truck it BFI-GEG. Huge load of transists through sort facilitys with bulky heavy ground shipments probably smashing the top of the box.

DHL does the same thing with their air parcels too.

Send a DHL/UPS package from Michigan-Chicago using "Overnight", it'll be trucked the whole way.

Sent a Fedex Overnight package Michigan-Chicago, flew FNT-IND, 727, IND-ORD, DC-10. Thats what I like about Fedex. I even sent one to Grand Rapids (an overnight), and it flew FNT-IND-GRR.

To the average person, most people wouldent know DHL/UPS cuts corners like that, and if they knew, they probably wouldn't care as long as their package arrived on time.

Though to me, since I ship a lot of fragile items (I run a business on eBay), it's very important that it goes on airplanes, where, chances are, some small 5 pound parcels will be stacked on it, instead of someones 50 pound stereo system thats shipped at a much lower price and service than I paid.

It's like I said earlier...pay for first class, you should get first class. Not, pay for first class, and get stuck in coach. Even though you'll get there in the same amount of time, its just not the same.

Quoting Squad55 (Reply 23):
All boxes in the UPS system should have tape on all sides of the package. Do you see shippers doing this? No, usually it's one strip on the top of the box for a 40lbs box, and then the shipper is surprised the box failed.

haha...I know what you mean. I get a lot of UPS Ground packages coming in, its ridiculous how people pack (Even companies). No packing material, or, very little packing material with the item bouncing around in the box. One strap of cheap tape across (probably could cut it with a pencil) to hold the box together.

Despite this, i've probably received some 50+ UPS Ground packages in the last 4 months and none have arrived damaged - even the ones that had *ZERO* packing material in them and the crap was rattling inside, nothing broke.

So, UPS is pretty safe, and their tracking system is one of the best in the country, maybe even the world.

I have nothing against UPS/DHL, or Fedex - Only thing that bugs me with UPS/DHL is the cutting corners on Air Parcels, and also the fact that UPS is a bit more expensive (compared to DHL/Fedex), other than that, great companies.

Quoting DouglasDC8 (Reply 24):
Warszawa,

I hope my comments didn't come across as mean spirited, they were not ment to be.

No worries  Smile
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RE: How To Ship Freight On DL

Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:06 pm

Sorry about the huge post above (and a couple other large posts) - When i'm interested in a topic I kind of get caught up in the moment...ehh  spit 
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