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Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Sun Aug 14, 2005 1:13 pm

Not sure if this is old news, but I found this pretty interesting



http://www.crh.noaa.gov/pub/ltg/plane_japan.php
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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Sun Aug 14, 2005 1:16 pm

yea its old man, I just can't remember from when. But thanks for sharing
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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Sun Aug 14, 2005 1:17 pm

I'll tell you, that is damn scary feeling inside the plane. Usually very loud and bright plus the lights will usually go out. It happened to me twice. Last time in Kansas City.
There were some seriously scared people on that plane.

That looks like a 744 if I am not mistaken
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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Sun Aug 14, 2005 1:19 pm

It was God's way of taking a picture i guess :-p
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 1:48 pm

Quoting Flybynight (Reply 2):
That looks like a 744 if I am not mistaken

yeah in 1 frame you can see the winglets. Looks like an ANA plane by what i can make out by the faint livery.
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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Sun Aug 14, 2005 1:52 pm

I think I remember seeing video of that years ago. I want to say it was on a very old NOVA episode.

NASA for years had a F-106 that they used to fly into lightnight storms trying to attract hits.

Some of the footage taken from the cockpit of that airplane was pretty spectacular also.
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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Sun Aug 14, 2005 2:09 pm

I was on board an SAA 742 that was struck by lightning just after takeoff from FRA, there was a bang and an enormous flash inside the cabin, some people screamed and the captain was on the PA immediately to say what had happened. The rest of the flight to JNB was uneventful.
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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Sun Aug 14, 2005 2:14 pm

How is a plane affected when it gets struck by lightning? Are they still safe to fly? I take it that they are built to be able to withstand lightning strikes.
 
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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Sun Aug 14, 2005 2:53 pm

Quoting DFORCE1 (Reply 7):

It is safe to continue flying. I could of course be wrong, but I don't think a plane has crashed because of a lightning strike. I believe sometimes it can damage electrical instruments because of momentary electrical spikes.

It more scares the crap out of than anything.
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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Sun Aug 14, 2005 3:05 pm

Quoting DFORCE1 (Reply 7):
How is a plane affected when it gets struck by lightning? Are they still safe to fly? I take it that they are built to be able to withstand lightning strikes.

I have worked on a couple of them. One was Merlin III that took a hit on one prop and it knocked a chunk out of the prop blade that pitted the starboard windshield. The current from the strike went through the engine burning roller bearings as it went, out the tail cone, thru the structure and out the tail of the aircraft where there's a static discharger in the tail area. The structural guys had to track the path of the strike and repair all evidence of arcing.

It required a complete engine teardown and demagnetizing of every ferrous part in it-which meant toting everything and passing it thru the demagnetizing coil on the shop magnaflux machine until it wouldn't disrupt the degaussing meter that the magnaflux people provide.

Of course the engine mount was magnetized as well and that required having a guy who ran a magnaflux service come out and wrap his degaussing coil around the mount and hit it until it was completely demagnetized.

All of which was very fascinating because there were no written procedures for any of this in the Garrett or Swearingen manuals...

It didn't seem to hurt the avionics but all of that had to be replaced within a couple more years anyway and I'm told this is a typical result.
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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Sun Aug 14, 2005 11:32 pm

I remember when I was in the Aircradt Explorers at PIE back in 2001, and the group leader told me that an ATA 757 that just came in, was struck 7 times by lightning, and they were still doing the turn on it. but they didnt tell the pax
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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Sun Aug 14, 2005 11:44 pm

Wow,
Quality could be bad, but you can clearly make it out that the first lightning flash is going from the earth to the sky and the 2nd is going the opposid direction. The 2nd one is huge though Big grin.

Looks also a 747 to me.
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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Sun Aug 14, 2005 11:59 pm

Ya its definetly a 747 and my guess is that is a 747-400 from ANA. Wonder if it had to do an emergency land after that???
 
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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Mon Aug 15, 2005 12:11 am

Quoting Morvious (Reply 11):
g from the earth to the sky

Well, elementary physics says lightning is a discharge of electrons. Earth is neutral and protons dont float around. Lightnings always flash DOWN from the sky...
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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:41 am

The first flash is the stepped leader and ground streamer completing the connection. The second flash is the return stroke from the ground. The airplane just happens to be in the middle of the circuit.

The base of the cloud is negatively charged and the ground is usually positively charged. Occasionally, the ground streamer is negatively charged. If a positive stepped leader originating from the cloud top makes connection with a negative ground streamer, the lightning bolt is up to ten times more powerful. The flash also lasts much longer.

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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:56 am

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 13):
Lightnings always flash DOWN from the sky...

Not exactly ... there are two parts to lightning - a stepped leader and a streamer (if I remember correctly). The stepped leader comes down from negatively charged particles comes down from the cloud whilst the streamer, made up of positively charged particles, comes up from the ground. They meet and a so-called channel is made - then current from the ground surges upwards through the channel.

If you look at the plane being struck, you can see both parts of the lightning, one coming from below and one coming from above.

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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:04 am

EDIT: see the 2 post above  Wink
More info http://www.nationalgeographic.com/lightning/

Oh and see this, i found this to..
Its a image of the movie above.

http://www.scifun.ed.ac.uk/pages/evening/images/lightning.jpg

[Edited 2005-08-14 19:08:59]
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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Mon Aug 15, 2005 3:01 am

Seen this Clip.Fantastic.
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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:07 am

Quoting DFORCE1 (Reply 7):
How is a plane affected when it gets struck by lightning?

Don't forget that electricity will follow the path of least resistance, which is why it would prefer to travel through the plane in the first place. That being said, the discharge should travel primarily though the frames & stringers, & the skin to a lesser degree, since these are large metallic components & can carry a lot of current. There is some risk of damage to electronic components, but IMO that would be a fairly low probability.
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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:46 am

Check this video out...... a view of a lightning strike from inside the cabin. Pretty cool!
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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:47 am

I flew a DL 727 from ATL-BDL a few years back during the summer. We avoided the servere T-Storms that were in ATL on the climb, but when we began the decent into BDL, ATC vectored us right into a squall. I was sitting over the wing in an A seat and I suddenly saw a brilliant flash of light strike the wing. The lights in the cabin all went out and a faint burning smell spread throughout the cabin. Apparently the strike traveled through the wing and back to the tail where it knicked the #3 engine and from what I saw at BDL, there was a giant burn on the cowling and on the middle of the wing surface. Anyway we landed safely in BDL and the A/C was immediately towed away from the terminal, to where I don't recall.

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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:49 am

When I was a Flight Engineer on the 727 we took a lightning hit on the radome that exited the aircraft from the lower fuselage in the tail. Just before the strike there was a very dramatic discharge from the static wicks that line the radome, it looked like a spider web of electricity spreading 30 feet in front of the aircraft in every direction. The discharge was silent but then the lightning hit with a very loud PFOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHM sound. The flight attendants in the jumpseat at the aft entry door (the one that opens into the tail cone ala DB Cooper) said they felt something right below their feet hit the aircraft (that was the lightning exiting). I immediately sat as far back as I could and checked the engineer's panel for anything out of the ordinary but the old girl didn't miss a beat. Not a single amber light came on and not a single circuit breaker popped, the lights didn't even flicker. The old warhorse just chugged along like it was nothing and the postflight revealed no evidence of the event. I really miss that airplane.

Aircraft have been designed for a long time to be able to handle lightning strikes. Every control surface and aircraft structure has static wicks that help dissipate the buildup of charges on the aircraft, and also dissipate the surge of electricity when the aircraft does get hit by lightning. I also recall many years ago that an aircraft in the piston propeller airliner era was hit by lightning over the Yardley VOR and it went down in flames, but I really don't recall the details.
 
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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Mon Aug 15, 2005 5:57 am

do many aircraft go down as a result of the lighting strikes? i recall hearing one time that a corporate jet was downed due to a lightning strike. It was a shame because all the pax were high ranking officers in the company. since then no corporation will send a large number of officers on the same plane togther.
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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Mon Aug 15, 2005 5:59 am

Quoting Flybynight (Reply 8):
It is safe to continue flying. I could of course be wrong, but I don't think a plane has crashed because of a lightning strike

I don't think that's entirely true. During the TWA 800 investigation, I could swear I remember hearing that there was an Iranian Air Force 747 that was brought down by a lightning strike in 1976, which in turn had caused a fuel tank explosion on one of it's wings. Can anyone confirm this?
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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:24 am

I was aboard an LX A332 bound for Boston and as we were taking off we were struck by lightning. We were worried at first that the left (I think) engine had flamed out. But the pilot came on the PA a few minutes later and told us what had happened. I as sitting right behind the engine, it was pretty scary.
 
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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:18 am

 Wow! I'm glad that lightening strike had never occoured to me last time I flew to the UK. Eeeek. Looks downright scary

Wow thanks for the footage
 
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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightni

Mon Aug 15, 2005 12:06 pm

Quoting Flybynight (Reply 2):
I'll tell you, that is damn scary feeling inside the plane. Usually very loud and bright plus the lights will usually go out. It happened to me twice. Last time in Kansas City.
There were some seriously scared people on that plane.

That looks like a 744 if I am not mistaken

I was flying from PHL-ORD back in February when our MD-80 got hit on the wing by a lightning strike...I was sitting in the window seat in the emergency exit...it happened right in front of me!!

After the initial flash..there was a residual effect-ie. a large pinkish hue as the air around us became ionized ....I had my camera, but it wasn't on at the time...by the time I got my camera ready, unfortunately most of the pinkish hue was gone, but there was a little left for me to take a picture of....hopefully I'll have the picture up on myaviation.net in a couple of days..

needless to say..people were scared..and me....."darn..I missed the picture"....... biggrin 

all I have to say is that it was an amazing site  Wow!
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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Mon Aug 15, 2005 12:09 pm

Quoting EADC8 (Reply 23):
Can anyone confirm this?

I can't, but I have a distinct recollection of a Pan Am 707 that was hit and exploded or broke up b/c of lighting strike, late 50s or early 60s - anyone else recall that ?
 
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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:11 am

Check out the FAA website at the following link they have a pretty good collection if incident reports you can see exactly what a lightning strike can do.

https://www.nasdac.faa.gov/pls/portal/PORTAL.wwa_app_module.show?p_sessionid=29404
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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:46 am

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 13):
Well, elementary physics says lightning is a discharge of electrons. Earth is neutral and protons dont float around. Lightnings always flash DOWN from the sky...

I just watched a Discovery show in regards to the NASA Columbia shuttle disaster the other night and some scientists have recently discovered lightning strikes (I think they labeled them lightning spikes) that traveled up from the storm clouds out to space.

Sorry that I don't have any more details to share.
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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:06 am

The Pan Am 707-121B was hit near Baltimore in 1963, and crashed killing all aboard.
 
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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:07 am

Quoting Liedetectors (Reply 22):
It was a shame because all the pax were high ranking officers in the company.

Yeah, if only they had been lowly peons. Then everything would have been cool.
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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:48 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 31):
Yeah, if only they had been lowly peons. Then everything would have been cool.

False, and not funny. I was simpily commenting on it because it is hard to replace higher level employees of a company, especially a lot all at once. it is a little bit more complicated then making a job post on a company career site.
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RE: Plane Caught On Tape Getting Struck By Lightning

Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:03 am

MILESRICH....And the fuel at that time was JP-4 a mixture of gasoline and Jet Kero.....That went by the wayside for the commercial planes after the Maryland crash of the PAN AM flight.
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