steve7e7
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:16 pm

According to Sky News,a Cypriot aircraft with 121 pax is in trouble over Greece.

No other details as yet.
 
steve7e7
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:19 pm

Apparently it has crashed north of Athens with 110 pax on board.

Still nothing on the net news sites yet.
 
lewis
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:28 pm

Apparently it was a Helios aircraft flight to Larnaka and crashed near Oropos. The news report that the pilot (the captain?) died shortly before the crash!
 
harleyf150
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:28 pm

It is believed to be a Helios 737 reports indicate the pilot had collapsed
 
bsu747
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:31 pm

Some info here

http://www.africasia.com/services/ne...ast&item=050814092214.klte5x74.php

Cypriot plane with 121 on board crashes in Greece
A Cypriot airliner with 121 people on board from Larnaca, Cyprus, crashed Sunday on a mountain on the Euboea peninsula, northeast of Athens, a traffic controller at Athens international airport told

Just before the crash, an airport official said the plane appeared to be flying pilotless.

"The airport lost all contact with the plane which should have landed in the late morning, and two air force planes sent up in reconaissance found it flying above the Euboea peninsula, but they saw the pilots doubled up in the cabin," Iannis Pantazaratos said.

"We do not know how the plane is flying. It is being escorted by the military planes and the airport is in a state of emergency," said Pantazaratos, traffic control chief at Athens airport.

The Helios airlines plane was reported to be carrying 115 passengers and six crew.
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GLAGAZ
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:37 pm

Reuters is saying the same, very vague just now though. Surely if the pilot did collapse the other one would take over? Lets hope for a similar outcome to the recent incidents, ie many people surviving.

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Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:46 pm

It was reported that the pilots are death and no body is in the cockpit. The aircraft is surrounded by air force jets who can look into the cockpit and the 737 is flying near Athens at the moment. God bless to them, hopefully the cabin crew has the code to access the cockpit.
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:50 pm

The a/c obviously crashed into a mountain. That does not sound like many survivors...  Sad
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JoKeR
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:51 pm

Horrible news!  Sad

How very sad, any news on survivors yet?
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syncmaster
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:51 pm

AP is reporting 115 passengers.

MSNBC/AP: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8944885/

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Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:53 pm

Yeah, has been reported that the aircraft is crashed into a mountain while escorted from F-16 fighters.
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:53 pm

Sounds like a cabin decompression...the crew was just not quick enough to don their oxygen masks, or one of them was not wearing it.

Chances are the rest on board were knocked out as well.
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:54 pm

Seems like it was on a Larnaca-Athens-Prague flight. According to Helios's schedules that flight would be operated with 5B-DBY, their only B737-300.
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syncmaster
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:54 pm

Any idea if this was a -300 or -800?

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Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:56 pm

115 Pax, 6 Crew  

RIP to all of them..

[Edited 2005-08-14 12:00:32]
 
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:57 pm

Quoting Delta777Jet (Reply 10):
Yeah, has been reported that the aircraft is crashed into a mountain while escorted from F-16 fighters.

That must be one of the worst things that a fighter pilot can get to see these days - escorting an aircraft only to see if fly towards a mountain with nothing you can do... awful.

This month is turning into a very bad one for aviation.

Regards,
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:57 pm

way too many air disasters the last few weeks
 
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:58 pm

5B-DBY (cn 29099/2982) Boeing 737-31S Helios Airways

Crashed North of Athens with 121 pax on board. Just checked, could possibly be Flight HCY522 inblound from Larnaca.

Registration: 5B-DBY
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:59 pm

Was it 737-300 or 737-800. If later it would be first fatal accident of NG. Till now superb safety record. Hope for some survivals. God bless victims and their families
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:01 pm

Oh dear, Not looking good  Sad

Sad sad news to wake up to..

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Kovi17
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:04 pm

 Sad lets hope for the best, even though it doesnt sound too promising of a good outcome.
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:05 pm

SkyNews are quoting a Greek army chief-of-staff as saying that a hijacking "could not be ruled out".

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1192166,00.html

[Edited 2005-08-14 12:07:31]
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ZakHH
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:07 pm

German news station n24 just reported about the incident.

Eyewitnesses (including the F16 pilots) reported that the a/c smashed into the mountain with full speed. Debris are spread widely over the crash site.

The pilot obviously reported problems with the aircondition after takeoff in Larnaca, but the problem was considered to be rather harmless.

And then the news lady applied for the Pulitzer price when she declared that a technical failure can be excluded, and the only explanation is that hijackers entered the cockpit and shot the pilots down...   

[Edited 2005-08-14 12:09:00]

[Edited 2005-08-14 12:12:32]
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Aviator9H
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:11 pm

It was ex. D-ADBQ Boeing 737-31S Deutsche BA
cn 29099/2982
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drinkstrolley
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:14 pm

Sky news now saying that a fighter alongside could not see the captain and the co-pilot was "slumped forward in his seat".

Doesn't sound too clever.

 Sad
 
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:15 pm

RIP to all them... they don't exclude a terrorism act because the news says that one pilot was dead and the copilot was crushed on itself.
They don't exclude neither a rapid depressurization of the cabin... reasons are long way to be explained till now...
Really...this August isn't a good month, particularly for someone... I think I will erase it from my calendar.

Ciao
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:25 pm

BBC News says that they had reported problems in the air conditioning system.
Have they run out of air??? Scary!!!
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:25 pm

AirNZ,

While it is certainly a tragedy with the loss of the 121 reported lives, the reality is that this website, and the forum that you and I are responding to, is based on aviation and thus, discussing the regs., etc. is to be expected.

Let's just hope that this August doesn't repeat August 1985, the worst month in the history of aviation when it comes to air disaster fatalities.

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Aleksandar
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:27 pm

Well, if the problems with airconditioning were noticed why the plane didn't return to Larnaca this morning?
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Please explain A340spotter
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:28 pm

For what its worth, the CNN link to the story:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/08/14/greece.crash/index.html
Absolutely horrible.
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GSPITNL
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:29 pm

BBC America is reporting that there is unconfirmed reports that there could be foul play involved.

Most sad situation unfolding. May all the soals rest in peace.  Sad  Sad  Sad

[Edited 2005-08-14 12:30:47]
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:34 pm

Terrible news again. Let's hope there are survivors, though if reports of the plane smashing into a mountain are correct, I'm afraid there's not much hope...

Quoting FJWH (Reply 34):
Please explain A340spotter

That month saw the crash of a Delta TriStar (134 fatalities), a JAL 747 (520 fatalities) and a British Airtours 737 (55 fatalities).
 
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:35 pm

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 23):
The pilot obviously reported problems with the aircondition after takeoff in Larnaca, but the problem was considered to be rather harmless.

Could it be that a failure of air conditioning and ventilation would wipe out the pilots? Create a lack of oxygen or something? The oxygen masks would still work, right?

My deepest sympathies go to those who are affected.

[Edited 2005-08-14 12:36:19]
 
philb
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:37 pm

Reports of "air conditioning problems" are rather odd given the crew obviously became incapacitated. Had there been a real problem the crew would immediately don oxygen masks as a precaution whilst reporting the problem.

Lack of oxygen, whilst it quickly befuddles, doesn't immediately incapacitate and there are very definite procedures to be followed. There have been cases of Lear Jets (one US, one German) where the air conditioning/oxygen failed and the crew passed out BUT these were at cruise levels above 36,000 and there was no notification from the crew.

Given that this aircraft seems to have impacted a mountain, unless the voice recorders give some more info, the post mortems will be critical to answering what looks to be a rather odd set of circumstances.
 
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:39 pm

Sounds very similar to Payne Stewrat's Learjet crash a few years ago. Very similar circumstances
 
4xRuv
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:40 pm

Quoting Philb (Reply 39):
Reports of "air conditioning problems" are rather odd given the crew obviously became incapacitated. Had there been a real problem the crew would immediately don oxygen masks as a precaution whilst reporting the problem.

Unless they failed. The same way 4 out of the 8 slides of the AF in YYZ failed...
 
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:42 pm

Quoting Trident (Reply 40):
Sounds very similar to Payne Stewrat's Learjet crash a few years ago. Very similar circumstances

However in this case, things just don't add up. As previous posts have stated, the crew and pax would have had the option for oxygen masks which if there was a failure with the air etc, they would have fallen down.

Just very odd set of events prior to the aircraft crashing.

Again, heart felt sympathies to those who are affected and their familes.
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:46 pm

Greek media report that the a/c was performing a scheduled flight from Larnaca (LCA) to AThens Eleftherios Venizelos. Soon after dparture the pilot reported a problem with the air conditioning (and heating) of the a/c. Apparently they were flying with the autopilot. When the a/c entered the Greek FIR it did not have any communication with the Greek controlers. As it was approaching Athens two F-16 took off to identify. They could not see anybody in the cockpit but they reported someone standing in the cockpit with mask on. However, the a/c was still flying its scheuled course. After they passed ATH airport, the a/c listed to the left and descended to what seemed an uncontrolled crash into a mountain (not very high) area north east of Athens.
Rescuers that have approached the area of crash reported that the a/c was destroted to pieces (let us still hope for some survivors, but unfortunately this seems unlikely). There was a small fire in the area which is controlled. I hope that all people were not conscious when the crash occured.

RIP
 
dogfighter2111
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:46 pm

Quoting GSPITNL (Reply 42):

If there were problems with the Oxygen, then if there was no oxygen getting fed through to the cabin then maybe there was no oxygen getting fed through to the masks either.

Thanks
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:49 pm

Quoting Philb (Reply 39):
There have been cases of Lear Jets (one US, one German) where the air conditioning/oxygen failed and the crew passed out BUT these were at cruise levels above 36,000

Exactly! Even if there were problems with ventilation, at that stage of flight, plane was not at cruising altitude.
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:50 pm

Quoting A340Spotter (Reply 32):
Let's just hope that this August doesn't repeat August 1985, the worst month in the history of aviation when it comes to air disaster fatalities.

Thats very spooky, freaks me out a bit.

Quoting Agrodemm (Reply 44):
I hope that all people were not conscious when the crash occured.

I was thinking the same.

Grimey
 
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:53 pm

Quoting 4xRuv (Reply 41):
Unless they failed. The same way 4 out of the 8 slides of the AF in YYZ failed...

You can't compare the circumstances or the technologies involved.

The air conditioning and the emergency oxygen are different systems and the cockpit emergency system is different to that in the cabin.
 
rossyboy
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:53 pm

From watching the Greek news, they made it very clear that the two pilots were either unconscious or, more likely, dead from depressurisation. The news is reporting that a passenger on board had sent a message to a relative in which he says his goodbyes so the problem must have started much earlier. Another key clue (unconfirmed) is that the aircraft was on autopilot and the plane stayed at 34,000 feet all the way, causing suspicion.

That's as much as I've heard. Apologies for any mistakes/inconsistencies.
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dogfighter2111
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:53 pm

Quoting Grimey (Reply 48):

What would be better though:?

Being Unconcious but being burned to death while you were unconcious

or

Being Concious and if you surived the crash, you may have been able to get out.

So... What's better, atleast some survivors or non?

Thanks
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:55 pm

This could be terrorism of a new kind. Gas from a spurious Oxygen Cylinder - released within the cabin. Suicide terrorism of a new kind. Perhaps not from the normal sources these days but a new peak in tension between the Greek and Turks. Did the Military pilots see any passengers from the windows or were they not aware of the problems or were they also unconscious or dead.
 
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:56 pm

Very sad indeed, I regularly see this aircraft at LTN, my sister was on this aircraft only 2 weeks ago, going to Cyprus for a holiday  Sad

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4xRuv
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:58 pm

Quoting Philb (Reply 49):
You can't compare the circumstances or the technologies involved.

The air conditioning and the emergency oxygen are different systems and the cockpit emergency system is different to that in the cabin.

Why not, the emergency oxygen system can not fail? The same way emergency slides can fail, so can emergency oxygen masks
 
thebigjd
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Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:59 pm

Just heard on Sky News that a Greek TV station is reporting that one of the passengers on the plane sent a text message to his cousin saying it was "absolutely freezing on the plane". Also that the people on the plane including the pilot had "blue faces" because of the cold.

Also confirmed that rescue teams have found dead passengers and no survivors so far.
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