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Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:06 am

Is 45mins a long enough connection time to transfer from a CO flight from ord onto one to newark? Any replies are greatly appreciated
 
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:10 am

More than enough time.
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:10 am

You can do it in your sleep and still have time to drink a pint at the pub..!!

Take a looking on Continental web site for gate information. 9 times out of 10 this information dosn't change. See how close your ORD arrival gate is to your CLE departure gate.

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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:19 am

You've got plenty of time. I had a 35 minute connection in CLE going from MCO to SYR, and still had time to get lunch! I love flying through there.
 
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:41 am

Thanks everyone.Good to know that there is time for a pint!
 
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Mon Aug 15, 2005 3:01 am

Actually, the minimum connection time CO to CO in CLE is 25 minutes. That's a stretch if you come in, say at D-17 or D-28, and have to go to C-1, but that kind of gate separation is rare.

45 minutes is more than adaquate in CLE.
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Mon Aug 15, 2005 3:25 am

... though no one has asked the question why you're connecting over CLE between ORD and EWR. Mileage run?  Smile
 
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:24 am

Quoting Soundsfishy (Reply 6):
... though no one has asked the question why you're connecting over CLE between ORD and EWR. Mileage run?

Damn Right!!!  Wink
 
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Mon Aug 15, 2005 5:24 am

You'll have enough time to eat a Whopper Meal at Burger King in the C concourse in the 45 minutes between flights................ I did!  Smile
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Mon Aug 15, 2005 5:46 am

Again, I'll add that 45 mins is more than enough.


There are only two airports I ever connect in that I think as low as 25-30 mins is sufficient, and they are MEM and CLE.
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:09 am

You will need to keep an eye on the time if your flight from ORD comes in to a pier on the D terminal. You won't have to run but just don't delay too much at any one place on the way.

Your ORD flight will be on COEX so 9 times out of 10 you can expect to come in to the D concourse.

Nonstop hub to hub flights (ie CLE-EWR) are flown only by mainline so that will definitely be somewhere on C. If your flight is in the morning, the EWR flight usually leaves from the high C gates, in the rotunda area at the end of the terminal. Late morning, you can expect somehwere in the mid terminal, usually around C-11. I've never seen the afternoon flight (312) leave from anywhere other than C-18 and the evening flight 524 will almost definitely be leaving from C-5, one of CO's only CLE 757 capable gates. I can't really speak for the later flight 624 because I only worked at CLE from 8AM to 5PM and never saw that one.

Now if you really wanted to make a milage run out of it you should have taken one of the CLE-BUF-EWR, CLE-ROC-EWR, CLE-SYR-EWR, CLE-ALB-EWR, CLE-BNA-EWR or even CLE-STL-EWR flights on Express that have about 45 mins ground time at the stopover point and later continue to Newark on the same plane. Those were always my backups in case the direct CLE-NYC flights filled up at the last minute.
 
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:43 am

Never been through CLE before, I take it? No worries. Although CLE may lack some of the glitz and popularity of other hubs it is certainly one of the most efficiant operations around. You'll have no problem in 45 minutes. It will likely take you about 10 mins to go from anywhere in the D concourse to anywhere in the C concourse with the long tunnel being the biggest obstacle. There's also plenty of food available in both should you need any. Good luck and let us know what you think!
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:36 am

Is CLE a big hub????? Do they have decent operations out of CLE?? I have never been before but hear nice things!! Eric
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:44 am

Quoting Fedexexpress (Reply 12):
Is CLE a big hub????? Do they have decent operations out of CLE??

Few hubs have more RJs!  silly . Between Continental, Jetlink, and Commutair there's about 300 daily departures on weekdays. CO operates about 55 gates, I believe, counting pier spots.
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:49 am

Quoting OptionsCLE (Reply 10):
I can't really speak for the later flight 624 because I only worked at CLE from 8AM to 5PM and never saw that one.

C-17. 99% of the time.  Smile

Quoting Fedexexpress (Reply 12):
Is CLE a big hub????? Do they have decent operations out of CLE?? I have never been before but hear nice things!! Eric

Not a big hub. More like 270 flights on a full operation day, like Monday, Thursday and Friday. About 75% are RJ's. Such is life in a midsized hub.  Smile

I'm really hoping once the apron construction around C is finished, that CO can start adding some freqencies to new destinations. I don't think you'll see a lot of new service while there is gate constraints due to the apron construction.

Quoting N766UA (Reply 13):
CO operates about 55 gates, I believe, counting pier spots.

If I count right, there's 62 parking spaces, counting piers.
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:59 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 14):
If I count right, there's 62 parking spaces, counting piers.

It's right around there. I count 34 jetways and 27 apron spots around D and the piers.
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:07 am

Say, Falcon... I believe C-22 is the double-jetway... can they use that on one airplane? For example, if for some ungodly reason CO ever put a 764 or 777 in here could they put one on the L1 door and the other on the L2 door?
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Mon Aug 15, 2005 12:07 pm

Quoting OptionsCLE (Reply 10):
Now if you really wanted to make a milage run out of it you should have taken one of the CLE-BUF-EWR, CLE-ROC-EWR, CLE-SYR-EWR, CLE-ALB-EWR, CLE-BNA-EWR or even CLE-STL-EWR flights

Isn't there even a CLE-MSN-EWR flight that he could have taken? I've been on the CLE-MSN part of it before, but I don't know if they've kept that route going...
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Mon Aug 15, 2005 12:18 pm

Quoting N766UA (Reply 15):
t's right around there. I count 34 jetways and 27 apron spots around D and the piers.

D17 is all RJ, with 6 spots.

D21 is Beech, with 6 spots.

D25 is Beech, with 6 spots.

D28 is RJ, with 8 spots.

Total of 26 remote parking spaces.

Quoting N766UA (Reply 16):
Say, Falcon... I believe C-22 is the double-jetway... can they use that on one airplane? For example, if for some ungodly reason CO ever put a 764 or 777 in here could they put one on the L1 door and the other on the L2 door?

No, CLE has no double jetway. C21 and C-22 go through the same two door area, but are split by railing, until they go in separate directions. C16 and C17 are the same way.

Quoting Smcmac32msn (Reply 17):
I've been on the CLE-MSN part of it before, but I don't know if they've kept that route going...

CLE-MSN has been a good route. Usually run 3 nonstops in the summer, and two in the winter. Rumor had it COEX was going to start CLE-GRB, but never heard more about it.
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Mon Aug 15, 2005 12:27 pm

Quoting N766UA (Reply 16):
Say, Falcon... I believe C-22 is the double-jetway... can they use that on one airplane? For example, if for some ungodly reason CO ever put a 764 or 777 in here could they put one on the L1 door and the other on the L2 door?

I don't think there are any issues with the gates being positioned like you're implying but there are no gates on the C concourse that can accommodate anything larger than a 757. This is due to location of the hydrant fuel system and the lines painted on the ramp which were not designed for a plane with such a large wingspan.

Quoting Smcmac32msn (Reply 17):
Isn't there even a CLE-MSN-EWR flight that he could have taken? I've been on the CLE-MSN part of it before, but I don't know if they've kept that route going...

I've never checked that flight but it seems feasible. How far is MSN-EWR, I'd assume well within the XR's range at least.
 
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Mon Aug 15, 2005 12:37 pm

Flew ABE-CLE-FWA, and return, Friday evening and today (Sunday evening). Flight out of ABE Friday night was delayed due to what was explained by the very kind captain as an APU overheat. It made my connection about 35 minutes, and I still had time to grab a quick captain and coke at the Sports Bar thing on D... needed a drink before getting on a B1900 on a night with TSRA and CB's popping everywhere.  Smile I connect through CLE on CO-Ex quite often though... probably the 2nd best connecting airport in this region of the country... second only to PIT. Of course, from a native Pittsburgher, we're better than Cleveland at everything  Wink

If you're going D to C, then you have a bit of a walk, but still plenty of time... and *some* ERJ's come in C, so you'll be fine there if so.

Since I see some CO people here I have a few questions:

ABE-CLE runs are all ERJ-135's as of now, on the schedule, but in September the last run into ABE is then an ERJ-145, which overnights to leave here first thing in the morning. However Friday evening, the 5:40 departure, which was scheduled as a 135, showed up about 15 minutes late as a 145... and the captain apologized for the lateness by saying it was because the plane was late getting in on its prior flight. The ticketing computers had planned on a 135 as always, therefore the back few rows of the 145 were empty and the crew had to take time to rearrange people to the back for W/B issues. This time waiting, along with the excessive heat, was what the captain blamed for the APU overheat which cost us maybe another 30 minutes. Was this 145 just an equipment substitution, or is Co-Ex already upgrading ABE????

The loads through ABE seem to be great, much of my company has switched flying to CO through CLE thanks to US becoming more and more of a disaster area down at PHL. It's great we got upgraded to the 145. Any hopes of us picking up IAH service on an XR??

Also today, the crew left the cockpit "doors" open on the B1900 from FWA-CLE. GREAT viewing for me in seat 2-A. Is this SOP, were they doing something wrong, is it crew choice?? Just in case it's something "illegal" I won't give my flight numbers/times, don't want to get such nice guys in trouble.

Thanks for your help!!

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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:08 pm

Quoting OptionsCLE (Reply 19):

I don't think there are any issues with the gates being positioned like you're implying but there are no gates on the C concourse that can accommodate anything larger than a 757.

Actually, the jetways on most of the gates can accomodate from an ERJ to a 777, if need be. We've had DC-1-30's, A300's, 762's parked at those gates in the past. In a pinch, a 777 could be parked at C3, 5, 9, and maybe 22.

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 20):
Was this 145 just an equipment substitution, or is Co-Ex already upgrading ABE????

Probably the former. Rarely will you have a 145 flight get downgraded to a 135, for obvious mega-overbooking problems, but you will see occasionally a 145 substituted for a 135.

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 20):
Any hopes of us picking up IAH service on an XR??

I think, for the moment, COEX is happy enough with CLE-ABE laods to keep any IAH pax funnelling through CLE.
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:36 pm

Quoting OptionsCLE (Reply 19):
there are no gates on the C concourse that can accommodate anything larger than a 757.

Think that might change with the new apron layout? Makes sense to at least have one widebody rather than have to use A.
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:38 pm

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 20):
were they doing something wrong, is it crew choice??

Crew choice. Perfectly legal on the 1900s at most carriers.
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:29 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):
I think, for the moment, COEX is happy enough with CLE-ABE laods to keep any IAH pax funnelling through CLE.

Or driving over to EWR for directs. I wonder how many EWR O&D pax drive over from the Lehigh Valley area looking for cheaper flights/directs to all sorts of places. I'm sure it's a relatively small number % wise, but in terms of an ERJ load, probably a good bit.

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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:31 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):
Actually, the jetways on most of the gates can accomodate from an ERJ to a 777, if need be. We've had DC-1-30's, A300's, 762's parked at those gates in the past. In a pinch, a 777 could be parked at C3, 5, 9, and maybe 22.

That's not entirely true. Although the jetways can be raised enough to park a 777 (I'm not even sure about that but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt) the ramp lines are still not drawn to accommodate anything larger than a 757 at any of the gates on C. Now, I'm sure that acceptions could be made under certain circumstances but CLE's gates are designed primarily for 737 classics, most can't even take a Next Gen, let alone a 757 or larger. As far as I know, 3, 5 and 9 are the only 757 ready gates under the current layout, 7 may be included in that as well but I don't think so.

I have seen pictures of the Peter Max 777 when it diverted to CLE and it appeared to be parked at C-5 so you're probably right. If it did park there, however, then there certainly couldn't be any aircraft at the adjacent gates.

Quoting N766UA (Reply 22):
Think that might change with the new apron layout? Makes sense to at least have one widebody rather than have to use A.

No, the new layout will not change this at all. Widebodies aren't in the future plan for CLE so there's no point in giving them a gate.
 
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Mon Aug 15, 2005 3:46 pm

The ramp lines may reflect only 757 and smaller these days, but in the past widebodies were regularly scheduled into C gates by CO (A300s), NW (747s and DC10s), UAL (747s, DC10s, and 767s), and Rich (L1011s). I suspect that after a little work cutting arcs and painting some new lines it could be done again.

Isn't hydrant work part of the current resurfacing effort? I can't believe CO/NW/CLE would be dumb enough rig the new hydrants so as to preclude the use of larger planes at least at some of the C gates.
 
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:58 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 26):
The ramp lines may reflect only 757 and smaller these days, but in the past widebodies were regularly scheduled into C gates by CO (A300s), NW (747s and DC10s), UAL (747s, DC10s, and 767s), and Rich (L1011s). I suspect that after a little work cutting arcs and painting some new lines it could be done again.

I certainly remember the good old days! I flew ORD-CLE on a UA 762 in 2000. I remember those big Rich International L1011's would park over at the night stand between Express maintinence and the customs gates, not sure where they loaded up from though.

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 26):
Isn't hydrant work part of the current resurfacing effort? I can't believe CO/NW/CLE would be dumb enough rig the new hydrants so as to preclude the use of larger planes at least at some of the C gates.

It is. The new layouts do considder ERJ's, 737's and 757's only. I don't think it's being "dumb," it's being rational. The CO projections for CLE through 2010 have only 757's, nothing larger. By then the lines will need to be repainted anyway.
 
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:41 am

Quoting OptionsCLE (Reply 19):
I've never checked that flight but it seems feasible. How far is MSN-EWR, I'd assume well within the XR's range at least.

MSN to EWR is 691.9 NM on a initial true course of 287*. I don't have time to load up the Embraer website, (I'm only on dial-up) but if somebody can find the range on a 145 that would be great.

Last October I came home on a 145 from CLE(-MSN) and the attendant during offloading said that if anybody was continuing on to EWR that they could either stay on board or they could get off and reboard in a few minutes. I definately know it wasn't on a 145XR because I got a wing seat expecting it to be, but I was sorely disappointed.
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:25 am

From the Embraer website:

ERJ-145 - 1,550 nm
ERJ-145XR - 2,000 nm

That's easily within the range.
 
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:09 am

Quoting OptionsCLE (Reply 27):
I remember those big Rich International L1011's would park over at the night stand between Express maintinence and the customs gates, not sure where they loaded up from though.

IIRC, they flew out of the first NW gate. C-4?

Quoting OptionsCLE (Reply 27):
. I don't think it's being "dumb," it's being rational. The CO projections for CLE through 2010 have only 757's, nothing larger.

If the resurfacing is good for 20-30 years, why limit capacity to a 5 year plan? Unless you mean these are only superficial, i.e. paint, limits; I thought you were describing a hydrant layout that would physically prohibit servicing larger aircraft EVER. That "EVER" would be the dumb part.
 
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:43 am

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 30):
Quoting OptionsCLE (Reply 27):
. I don't think it's being "dumb," it's being rational. The CO projections for CLE through 2010 have only 757's, nothing larger.

If the resurfacing is good for 20-30 years, why limit capacity to a 5 year plan? Unless you mean these are only superficial, i.e. paint, limits; I thought you were describing a hydrant layout that would physically prohibit servicing larger aircraft EVER. That "EVER" would be the dumb part.

Indeed, I find it foolish to preclude yourself from handling widebodies when with little or no additional effort, you keep the gates currently capable still capable. Paint is one thing. Infrastructure is another. At least keep one around for diversions.
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:50 am

Where do CO's int'l flights into EWR file as alternates typically?? I know ABE gets several Express Jet ERJ's everytime EWR gets stormed in, but we couldn't handle a 777 here, so where do those go to wait out the bad wx when they don't have the fuel to wait it out in the air? I would think CLE is logical, especially for flights from the west, just looking at the CO facilities there... but after reading this I'm assuming not.
 
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:42 am

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 30):
If the resurfacing is good for 20-30 years, why limit capacity to a 5 year plan? Unless you mean these are only superficial, i.e. paint, limits; I thought you were describing a hydrant layout that would physically prohibit servicing larger aircraft EVER. That "EVER" would be the dumb part.

Nope, you've got it. One must consider both the lines on the pavement and the hydrant fuel system when you look at gate use. With the ramp repavement going on now, the lines must be redrawn. I'm fairly sure that the hydrant fuel locations aren't moving, so we're basically drawing the lines around them. Like I said, the lines won't last forever, so, if 5 years from now CO decides to schedule a widebody into CLE, the lines will be nearing the end of their lives anyhow and the gate layout can be redesigned to accommodate them. Now, worst comes to worst, a gate won't be able to hydrant fuel a certain aircraft type and tankers will have to be called in to fuel it - this is what's happening right now while the system is shut down.

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 32):
Where do CO's int'l flights into EWR file as alternates typically?? I know ABE gets several Express Jet ERJ's everytime EWR gets stormed in, but we couldn't handle a 777 here, so where do those go to wait out the bad wx when they don't have the fuel to wait it out in the air? I would think CLE is logical, especially for flights from the west, just looking at the CO facilities there... but after reading this I'm assuming not.

The only EWR widebody that I can think of that might divert to CLE is the HNL flight and I guess maybe PEK, for every flight from Europe, a diversion to the east coast is much more economical. Europe-IAH diversions would be more common in CLE.
 
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:22 am



The HNL flight has diverted to CLE before. The HKG flight also might divert. PEK might be a little out of the way. But the IAH-Europe flights all come close to CLE, and if I remember right, was what brough PM to town before. But given that CLE is a CO hub and a good portion of CO widebodies pass nearby, a CLE diversion or 2 a year is likely enough.
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:09 am

Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 34):
a CLE diversion or 2 a year is likely enough.

Considering that most flights into EWR were diverting for a period of the evening last night for storms.. it might happen more often than people think. I can think of 4 nights this summer where several CO flights ended up hanging out in ABE for awhile before finishing on to EWR.
 
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RE: Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?

Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:12 am

I believe CLE has also received widebody diversions from Europe flights as well. Given the flight path dropping down from Canada and upstate New York, CLE is not all that out of the way and airlines generally prefer to use a hub airport if practical.

Generally, however, the IAH-Europe and the EWR-Asia/HNL are the usual CO widebody diversions to CLE.
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