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Old Eastern Routes From DAL?

Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:25 am

My wife dragged me to an antique sale on Saturday, and while there I came across some old luggage that was for sale. Two of the pieces still had old Eastern Airlines tags on them, which got me to wondering where they flew.

Both tags had a handwritten flight number and destination on them. I would guess that they were from the mid-'60s. DAL was the destination airport, so it was before DFW opened. I believe the flight number was 538, but I could be mistaken.

Does anyone have an old Eastern timetable that might indicate where these bags came from? Just satisfying a curiosity ... thanks.
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RE: Old Eastern Routes From DAL?

Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:35 am

If my memory is correct, EA was not a big player at DAL - Dallas was always a big station for Braniff, American and Delta; Eastern (and National) had larger operations at Houston. Eastern's primary route from Dallas was to its hub in Atlanta - they did not fly nonstop from Dallas to the US east coast cities, nor do I remember EA ever flying nonstop from Dallas to any city in Florida.
 
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RE: Old Eastern Routes From DAL?

Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:43 am

Back in 1971 I flew on an Eastern 727-100 n/s DAL-MIA. Don't remember the flight number tho.
 
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RE: Old Eastern Routes From DAL?

Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:47 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 1):
If my memory is correct, EA was not a big player at DAL

Interesting piece of history.

I've seen the footage. When President Kenndey walked off AF1 at DAL on November 22, 1963, the stairs he deplaned were from Eastern.
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RE: Old Eastern Routes From DAL?

Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:51 am

Dating back befor de-reg, in the 70's, I know EA flew DAL to ATL and MSY non-stop. They probably had a few more routes into DAL after de-reg.
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RE: Old Eastern Routes From DAL?

Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:54 am

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 4):
They probably had a few more routes into DAL after de-reg.

Deregulation was 1978, were'nt they at DFW by then?
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RE: Old Eastern Routes From DAL?

Tue Aug 16, 2005 3:22 am

In the early 1970s, immediately before DFW opened, Eastern served both Atlanta and Miami from Love Field. A little history:

Eastern first started service to DAL and GSW (Fort Worth's Greater Southwest airport) in 1961, when it got a very limited award in the Southern Transcontinental Route Case. Eastern had been hoping to be awarded a far-flung treasure trove of routes from Miami, New Orleans, Atlanta and Dallas/Houston to California, Arizona and Las Vegas. At the time (early 1960s) the big push to the "Sun Belt" was just beginning, and these routes would have connected the high growth areas of California and Nevada to other growth areas in Texas and Florida. So the stakes were high for all of the carriers (American, Delta, National, Braniff, Continental, Eastern) who applied.

Of course, Eastern got shafted in the route awards, which was pretty much the case in any CAB investigation in the 1950s and 1960s. Delta and National received HUGE route authorities to the West Coast. American got authority to operate between Houston and San Francisco and Continental got Houston-Los Angeles nonstop. Eastern only got a fraction of what it applied for - a single route between Miami and Dallas, with a stop at MSY. Of course, Braniff got nothing, so EA wasn't a complete loser in the case.

Service on MIA-MSY-DAL-GSW began in May 1961. Fast forward eight years to 1969, and the Southern Transcontinental Route Case has been reopened. Eastern gets its long-awaited authority to operate DAL-ATL, with four or five DC9s a day. However, Braniff also got clearance to start DAL-MSY-MIA service, ending Eastern's monopoly on the route. (In the same case, Eastern finally got its long-awaited ATL-LAX route, but that's another story.)

By January 1974, when DFW opened, Eastern was flying four or five daily frequencies to ATL (up against Delta's eight or nine flights), and two or three flights to MIA in competition with BN. The DAL-MSY service was no longer operating - both Delta and Braniff also flew the route, so Eastern dropped it in favor of a more lucrative nonstop flight to MIA.
 
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RE: Old Eastern Routes From DAL?

Wed Aug 17, 2005 6:48 am

The 12/69 timetable shows flight 538 as a TPA-DAL DC9; the 6/69 says it's a MLB-TPA-DAL 727.