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MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:23 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4156224.stm

What a crap week
Cheers
Josh

Edited due to carp speeling

[Edited 2005-08-16 15:30:46]
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuala

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:24 pm

Quoting GVBIG (Thread starter):
What a crap week
Cheers
Josh

What a crap FEW weeks......

God rest their souls.
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuala

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:26 pm

Can someone explain me why a Colombian airliner was flying between Panama and France? CHarter? 5th freedom rights?

May they all rest in peace. I'll try to keep you all updated with local news.

Luis
 
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuala

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:26 pm

Seem like 160 persons died today in the crash, the MD was 19-years old.
Mainly French passengers and Colombian crew, may their souls rest in peace.
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuala

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:27 pm

So sad... Most victims are from Martinique it seems

God make sure they rest in peace
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuala

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:27 pm

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 2):
Can someone explain me why a Colombian airliner was flying between Panama and France? CHarter? 5th freedom rights?

It was a charter flight chartered in FDF.

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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuala

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:28 pm

We now have a report of a spanish army helicopter crash in afghanistan as well - 17 dead.  Sad

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4155916.stm

5 Crashes in 14 days is not good  Sad


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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuala

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:28 pm

By the way, can you change the topic title? It is VENEZUELA
V E N E Z U E L A. Not venezuala.

THanks.
 
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuala

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:30 pm

Yeah, it is a messy month of August Sad

Heard the news on CNN - Columbia jet down in Venezuela... boy, not again!!

Air France, Helios and now Columbia....

Give my regards to all victims and their families/friends

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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuala

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:30 pm

my information is it was a flight from panama to martinique.

what a hell of month!
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuala

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:31 pm

West has had many incidents in Colombia. A few months ago, some days before the ADZ (San Andres) crash, one of their Mad Dogs had problems on approach to MDE. A/c had no operational slides and people had to jump off. Crew did not help at all in the evacuation and all passengers had to walk to the terminal. I think West is going nowhere now.

Colombian Aerocivil fears there will be no survivors.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americ...s/08/16/venezuela.crash/index.html

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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:32 pm

5 crashes in a month? dont forget the finnish helicopter going down into the baltic sea...
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:32 pm

Here's the plane that crashed this morning:


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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuala

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:33 pm

My condolences to all those on board, this is also a sad blow to Colombian Aviation; I hope that this accident is not the end of West Caribbean.

See the following link for the accident aircraft details:

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20050816-0

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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuala

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:33 pm

Interesting video shown this morning on ABC news of the wreckage, was of what looked like a Dornier 328Jet.

Confusing....

When was the most recent 328Jet crash that could have been mixed up with this Venezuelan crash?
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luisde8cd
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuala

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:33 pm

The MD-82 that crashed was HK-4374X. Probably wearing West Aruba livery.


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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:34 pm

The only Dornier that operates in the area belongs to the Colombian Air Force airline Satena, but they have had no incidents.

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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:34 pm

Quoting Macc (Reply 11):
dont forget the finnish helicopter going down into the baltic sea

Sorry, make that 6 crashes then  Sad


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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:35 pm

PARIS (Reuters) - All passengers died when a West Caribbean airliner crashed on Tuesday near Venezuela's border with Colombia, France's civil aviation authority said.

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"All the passengers are from Martinique. The 153 are dead," a spokeswoman for the DGAC civil aviation authority said.

Earlier, officials said 152 passengers and crew were aboard the flight.

The plane was en route from Panama to the French Caribbean island territory of Martinique when it went down after suffering from engine failure, Venezuelan officials said.
 
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:36 pm

I just woke up this morning to the news... May God rest their souls  Sad
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:38 pm

I think this is the end of West Caribbean... this was the last fatal blow it needed. I hope their employees will find new jobs in better companies.
 
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:39 pm

Flight WCW708 PTY-FDF, 151 pax, 8 crew, pax mainly tourists from Martinique with French citizenship

WCA operates three MD80:

MD81 HK-4302 c/n 48027 ff 1981 ex COA
MD82 HK-4305 c/n 49237 ff 1984 ex US Airways
MD82 HK-4374 c/n 49484 ff 1986 ex COA

Apparently it was the latter that has crashed

WCA had it AOC suspended for two weeks a couple of weeks ago because of documentation problems. This is from ASN:

02 JUL 2005 West Caribbean Airways temporarily suspends operations
The Colombian airline West Caribbean Airways temporarily suspended its operations after Colombian authorities grounded the MD-80 fleet of the airline reportedly because of non-compliance with an airworthiness directive. The AD ordered the operator to install fire retarding insulation material.

One of their LET410 HK4146 crashed on March 26, 2005, killing 8.
 
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:41 pm

Very sad..It seems like over the years (last 25-35) August is not the best month for aviation. Crashes have seemed to bunch up in three's and either at the beginning or the end of the month ( a few days either side of August also).

From the early reports on this one..something seems real strange about both engines failing..Very Rare. Perhaps contaminated fuel??

May God Bless the victims in Greece and Venezuela.
 
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:43 pm

Hi!

I must agree that this month has been really unusual and in someways disturbing, I don't know if it's because it's summer holidays ( Christmas accidents are also very disturbing moments... ) but during a few moments that we might lose our brightness we thing that suddenly the world is falling apart. Anyway with this latest accident, again comes to my mind how airlines are working their tech., safety, tranning issues with their operationality.
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:44 pm

What a lousy August  Sad
 
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:45 pm

CNN.com now reporting 160 feared dead. 152 passengers, 8 crew.

God rest their souls.
 
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:46 pm

Reuters is confirming that indeed there are no survivors. May their souls rest in peace.

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsAr...IDST_0_NEWS-CRASH-VENEZUELA-DC.XML

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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:47 pm

i dont think there's been a streak of disaster like this that i can recall. I don't know the cause of the crash, but CNN reports double engine trouble...which would be super super rare in my day for a double engine failure...

the last one i recall reading about besides Fuel issues was when a DC9 flew through a thich heavy t-storm back in the 70s had a double flameout
The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
 
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:49 pm

In terms of fatalities, it is the worst accident in 2005.
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:51 pm

Stirling, I think it's optional illusion that it's a high wing Dornier 328jet-like configuration. If you compare the wreckage with the MD-80 pictures linked above, the engine cowling and colours look similar. Probably the "high wing" above the engine is the tailplane or collapsed fin.
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:51 pm

4 crashes in a month: Air France, Tuninter, Helios, West Caribbean...
 
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:51 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 29):
Does that look like an MD-80?
The engine on the wing?
And a high wing aircraft too?

The engine clearly looks like an MD-8X. The colors also resemble West's.

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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:51 pm

What a sad period, all these fatalities again... terrible.
May their souls rest in peace.
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:51 pm

What a terrible streak  Sad RIP to all involved and let's hope this is the last accident!

According to CNN Latam. there are no survivors, and they are also pointing out that this is the worst air tragedy in the History of Venezuela  Sad

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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:54 pm

and we all thought it couldnt get any worse R.I.P
the captain has now dimmed the lights for take off this is a routine procedure for flights during the hours of darkness!
 
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:55 pm

Caracol Radio in Colombia just released the crew list. Only 4 crew: Pilot, co-pilot, and two F/A's.

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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:56 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 29):
That is the video shown on ABC this morning....

Does that look like an MD-80?
The engine on the wing?
And a high wing aircraft too?

I saw the same thing which confused the hell out of me since it looked like an F-50, not an MD-80.
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:58 pm

I believe I actually SAW the accident plane taxiing last night while sitting onboard my delayed CM PTY-GYE flight. Creepy...
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:58 pm

Venezuelan SAR personel announce that they have just found both black boxes.
 
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:00 pm

What on earth is going on?
First the AF 340 Toronto, then the ATR in Italy, Passenger Helicopter crashes between Helsinki and Tallin, Helios in Greece, Yesterday a BA Jungle Jet overshot runway in Hanover, now a MD80 crashes in Venezuela and a British Heli Crashes in Afgahnistan....

They are saying that the Pilot reported problems with both engines...Sounds a mit like the ATR in Italy.

God bless their souls!
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:02 pm

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 41):
Venezuelan SAR personel announce that they have just found both black boxes.

Very efficient work from the part of Venezuela's SAR staff. A big credit for their excellent and quick work.

Rgs,
 
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:02 pm

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 28):
the last one i recall reading about besides Fuel issues was when a DC9 flew through a thich heavy t-storm back in the 70s had a double flameout

A Scandinavian MD-80 crashed in a field after takeoff from Arlanda in the 90's, when both engines ingested ice from poorly checked wings. IIRC everyone survived, but the aircraft itself broke into three pieces.
 
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:03 pm

Quoting AirGabon (Reply 33):
4 crashes in a month: Air France, Tuninter, Helios, West Caribbean...

Make it 6 with the 2 Helos  Sad
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Wed Aug 17, 2005 12:05 am

This is really starting to get a little bit eerie.
God Bless to all of those who perished in every case.

Sincerely,

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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Wed Aug 17, 2005 12:05 am

FoxNews is also reporting 160 killed, but they say 153 passengers and crew of 7. They are also reporting this airplane is the MD-81, not the MD-82.

Not that that makes much difference now.
 
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Wed Aug 17, 2005 12:07 am

God Bless the victims and their families
 
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Wed Aug 17, 2005 12:08 am

Quoting CV747 (Reply 42):
What on earth is going on?
First the AF 340 Toronto, then the ATR in Italy, Passenger Helicopter crashes between Helsinki and Tallin, Helios in Greece, Yesterday a BA Jungle Jet overshot runway in Hanover, now a MD80 crashes in Venezuela and a British Heli Crashes in Afgahnistan....

It's normal. The world air traffic increases daily and the number of crashed planes remain nearly the same. Experts said few years ago that with that ammount of air traffic growing we will have one weekly big crash in a few years if aviation safety records stay the same. It's logical. That we had lot's of planes in one month is just pure chance.

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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Wed Aug 17, 2005 12:09 am

Only 2 flight attendants?? Shouldnt a MD82 carrying 153 assengers have more than 2 flight attendants?????????
 
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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Wed Aug 17, 2005 12:11 am

RIP  Sad






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RE: MD-82 Crash In Venezuela

Wed Aug 17, 2005 12:14 am

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 36):
According to CNN Latam. there are no survivors, and they are also pointing out that this is the worst air tragedy in the History of Venezuela

The worst accident in Venezuela occurred in the same Zulia state as this crash. A Viasa DC9-32 flying Maracaibo-Miami crashed seconds after take off over a heavily populated area. Ground death toll was 71 plus 84 fatalities on board. Total 155.  Sad

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