aviatortj
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GFK, BIS, More On The Chopping Block For NW Cuts

Wed Aug 17, 2005 7:35 pm

I can not say that I did not see it coming. About 100 seats are leaving with mainline jet service being cut from the two cities. As usual the nodaks want to court NW into thinking otherwise.

These are airports that fly about 600 seats a day, all by NW or NW partners. Seeing any other airline come through here, besides UA in FAR, would be a welcome but rare sight. Capacity, meet demand.

http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_228215642.html
 
RJNUT
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RE: GFK, BIS, More On The Chopping Block For NW Cuts

Wed Aug 17, 2005 10:12 pm

BOGUS! If it were truly capacity meets demand, then they would be offering ERJ170 aircraft or more Avros..Its their labor contract that allows only Dc-9s or 50 seat CRJ's...Dont put the blame on the communites, especially when you have system wide Load factors in the low 80's!
 
N908AW
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RE: GFK, BIS, More On The Chopping Block For NW Cuts

Wed Aug 17, 2005 10:33 pm

We get DC-9-30s and -50s here in RST. Personally, my opinion is that the less of a NW presence we have here, the better it is for other airlines to enter. It matters little to me if they're here or not, even though it is a fun airplane to see and hear.
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LUVRSW
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RE: GFK, BIS, More On The Chopping Block For NW Cuts

Wed Aug 17, 2005 10:40 pm

If NW cuts flights, does that mean Mesaba or Pinnacle will take over ground handling, or will NW employees remain?
 
LUVRSW
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RE: GFK, BIS, More On The Chopping Block For NW Cuts

Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:07 pm

How am I supposed to get to my Sioux Hockey games?
 
azjubilee
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RE: GFK, BIS, More On The Chopping Block For NW Cuts

Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:10 pm

These are likely seasonal adjustments like NWA does every year. THey're not blaming the communities, they're just matching capasity to viable demand. If you charged $50 a ticket, you could probably fill up 757s or DC10s to the cities from FAR or GFK. In otherwords NWA is matching their capasity to the demand that will increase revenues and yields. They do this every few months to all their cities served. As the guy from FAR commented, he's not worried about it yet, because they do this all the time. IMO - it's just something else to complain about regarding NWA.

If much of the service to these cities become Airlink operations as a majority, there will be no change in ground handling. That is of course, unless the IAM contract is gutted to remove job protection sections that they have now. There are many cities in the NWA system that are completely or mostly Airlink service, but retain NWA ground staffing.


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Wiggidy
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RE: GFK, BIS, More On The Chopping Block For NW Cuts

Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:36 am

Quoting LUVRSW (Reply 4):
How am I supposed to get to my Sioux Hockey games?

Hows this Sioux flyer supposed to get home to TX?? Driving to FAR to fly home in the middle of a Nodak winter isnt much fun. Here in GFK we get several flights per day and everytime I fly the flights seem full. Seems like Messaba is doing good here, but who knows.
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aviatortj
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RE: GFK, BIS, More On The Chopping Block For NW Cuts

Thu Aug 18, 2005 7:33 am

Quoting Azjubilee (Reply 5):
These are likely seasonal adjustments like NWA does every year. THey're not blaming the communities, they're just matching capasity to viable demand. If you charged $50 a ticket, you could probably fill up 757s or DC10s to the cities from FAR or GFK. In otherwords NWA is matching their capasity to the demand that will increase revenues and yields. They do this every few months to all their cities served. As the guy from FAR commented, he's not worried about it yet, because they do this all the time. IMO - it's just something else to complain about regarding NWA.

If much of the service to these cities become Airlink operations as a majority, there will be no change in ground handling. That is of course, unless the IAM contract is gutted to remove job protection sections that they have now. There are many cities in the NWA system that are completely or mostly Airlink service, but retain NWA ground staffing.

Well NW needs to trim the fat where they can, and they have ND by the balls. Since they are the primary airline of those areas (in some cases the only airline), they can feel free to shrink down to airlink operations because the only other option that people have is on the road.

NW could very well charge $50 and fill up a DC-10 everyday from GFK. BUT, how profitable would the flights be? And the real question that comes into play here; Is this the most cost efficient route for this plane to be operating? It is clear that people from ND will still fly NW, SF3 or 744. So lets put the airlinks on a profitable route and fill the nines elsewhere. Seems to make sense here.

Besides, as stated in the article, FAR sees Saabs to 757s with every schedule change. It is not the end of the world. If people have issues, they should start paying the prices, flying the planes, or drive to MSP.
 
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RE: GFK, BIS, More On The Chopping Block For NW Cuts

Thu Aug 18, 2005 7:49 am

Here's the weekday schedule for MSP-GFK:
Before (September):
MES3279, 10:10am-11:42am, SF3
NWA1526, 11:30am-12:39pm, D9S
MES3637, 2:44pm-3:55pm, ARJ
NWA867, 9:02pm-10:06pm, D9S
NWA974, 10:10pm-11:15pm, D9S
After (October)
MES3279, 9:10am-10:42am, SF3
MES2769, 11:30am-12:39pm, SF3
MES3637, 2:44pm-3:55pm, ARJ
NWA867, 9:02pm-10:06pm, D9S
MES3639, 10:10pm-11:15pm, ARJ

The DC9s and RJ-85s are switched ever few months. The change from a DC-9 to a Saab 340 is a rough blow, however.

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