Aisak
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Too Far With Codesharing?

Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:08 pm

I know codesharing is a benefit for airlines and pax to add new destinations to theirs networks and bla bla bla... but i've just come across MAD departures and see:

Fecha Hora Destino Vuelo Compañía Terminal Puerta
18/08 14:05 PALMA DE MALLORCA AFR4806 AIR FRANCE 2 D60
18/08 14:05 PALMA DE MALLORCA COA9591 CONTINENTAL AIRLINES INC. 2 D60
18/08 14:05 PALMA DE MALLORCA PGA4067 PORTUGALIA 2 D60
18/08 14:05 PALMA DE MALLORCA MAH7552 MALEV-HUNGARIAN AIRLINES 2 D60
18/08 14:05 PALMA DE MALLORCA KLM3351 K.L.M. ROYAL DUTCH AIRLINES 2 D60
18/08 14:05 PALMA DE MALLORCA AEA6067 AIR EUROPA 2 D60
18/08 14:05 PALMA DE MALLORCA AZA3012 ALITALIA 2 D60

Isn't it a little "too much" for a two-class 737-800 to have SIX additional flight codes??
 
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RE: Too Far With Codesharing?

Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:16 pm

Count yourself lucky, GLA-LHR can have 13 codes.

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RE: Too Far With Codesharing?

Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:19 pm

Heres a departure this afternoon, 12 codes.

15:15 AC6628 HEATHROW
15:15 BD009 HEATHROW
15:15 GF5209 HEATHROW
15:15 LH6685 HEATHROW
15:15 LO4010 HEATHROW
15:15 MH9637 HEATHROW
15:15 NH6856 HEATHROW
15:15 OS8976 HEATHROW
15:15 SA7613 HEATHROW
15:15 SK9774 HEATHROW
15:15 TP8921 HEATHROW
15:15 UA4819 HEATHROW

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RE: Too Far With Codesharing?

Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:39 pm

Who cares how many codes the flight has? Local boardings will know the flight by the operating carrier's flight number. Transit passenges will know the flight by the respective partner's code. Disclosure requirements ensure that the operating carrier is clearly indicated in all verbal and written communications.

The marketing value of codesharing far outweighs any confusion that A.nutters can attempt to generate.
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RE: Too Far With Codesharing?

Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:52 pm

Quoting PA110 (Reply 3):
Transit passenges will know the flight by the respective partner's code.

...true, but it sure is annoying to scroll through the list when you are dashing to make a connection adn find out which gate your flights is leaving from and you look at the board, and it is full with the same flight but designated to 12 others! But I guess there is no other alternative.

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RE: Too Far With Codesharing?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:53 am

Quoting Planemannyc (Reply 4):
...true, but it sure is annoying to scroll through the list when you are dashing to make a connection adn find out which gate your flights is leaving from and you look at the board, and it is full with the same flight but designated to 12 others!

That doesn't happen at most airports I know of. Airports with television monitor type departure boards typically list the flight just once, and the flight number just cycles through the various codeshare numbers. Not that hard at all to figure out. Even for those airports who list each departure separately, a quick glance at the board tells you that there is just one flight, because these departures are usually listed all together in one block, not spread out amongst other departures.

Again, just a case of A.Nutters making more of a situation than need be.

[Edited 2005-08-18 20:00:23]
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RE: Too Far With Codesharing?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 3:17 am

Imagine an announcement for a lost sheep jsut before gate closing: Would passenger X travelling on flight ... insert 15 callsigns here ... proceed immediately to gate X where you flight is closing.
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RE: Too Far With Codesharing?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:03 am

Quoting PA110 (Reply 5):
That doesn't happen at most airports I know of. Airports with television monitor type departure boards typically list the flight just once, and the flight number just cycles through the various codeshare numbers. Not that hard at all to figure out. Even for those airports who list each departure separately, a quick glance at the board tells you that there is just one flight, because these departures are usually listed all together in one block, not spread out amongst other departures.

..Ok, let's say that the traveler is not as savvy as us a.nutters here...he/she has to wait for the same flight to cycle through until his/her flight shows up. A lot of people don't always know that their flight is a codeshare, much less that they are multiple codeshare.

In a lot of the airports I have been to, flights are arranged by the chronological departure time, and thus, you have to scroll through the list (sometimes moving onto a different screen) before you find your flight.

Sure, it's no big deal when it's only one or two code shares, and if you have ample time in your hand, but I started off stating that when you have little time for a connection and are trying to find your flight.

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RE: Too Far With Codesharing?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 5:54 am

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 6):
Imagine an announcement for a lost sheep jsut before gate closing: Would passenger X travelling on flight ... insert 15 callsigns here ... proceed immediately to gate X where you flight is closing.

I was at SFO 2 days ago - UA didn't page by airline, simply by destination. example: "Would Cleveland passenger SMITH please report to gate 24 for immediate departure" It wouldn't matter if the flight had UA, NZ, SQ, TG, NH codes.

Quoting Planemannyc (Reply 7):
..Ok, let's say that the traveler is not as savvy as us a.nutters here...he/she has to wait for the same flight to cycle through until his/her flight shows up. A lot of people don't always know that their flight is a codeshare, much less that they are multiple codeshare.

In a lot of the airports I have been to, flights are arranged by the chronological departure time, and thus, you have to scroll through the list (sometimes moving onto a different screen) before you find your flight.

At 2 seconds per display, that would take all of 16 seconds. Get real! This is not a major issue.
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RE: Too Far With Codesharing?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:34 am

Codeshares can cause quite a bit of confusion though. I used to work on behalf of an international airline, making all the arrangements for crew transport, hotel accommodation and training for their stays in the UK. What could cause confusion sometimes would be when pilots travelled in as passengers on other airlines on codeshare flight numbers, particularly codeshare between airlines operating from different terminals - "Where do I send the driver?!" would often spring to mind, in particular with LX/BA (terminal 2 or 4) codeshares and IB/BA codeshares (terminal 1 or 2). It did get easier with time, but boy did I have to think to make sure Captain XYZ was not left waiting with his driver in the wrong terminal!
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RE: Too Far With Codesharing?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 3:35 pm

I think they should make it clear which airline and what equipment are actually doing the flying.
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RE: Too Far With Codesharing?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:25 pm

Quoting PA110 (Reply 8):
At 2 seconds per display, that would take all of 16 seconds. Get real! This is not a major issue.

if you have 12 codeshares, it is 24 seconds, sometimes the difference between a gate being open and closed. Besides, the issue is not really the wait at the screen, the fact that if the flights are being cycled through it would cause confusion to the traveler as his/her flight is not there. This whole discussion is based on the fact that too many codeshares is confusing. I think we all agree that this is inconvenient -- but even more confusing.

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RE: Too Far With Codesharing?

Fri Aug 19, 2005 10:03 pm

Codeshares can indeed become an issue if the airline(s) in question have different gates scatterred throughout an airport and if the person is unfamiliar w/codeshares and/or terminal layout.

True story, I had a friend who booked a r/t Philly-Vancouver flight through Continental; however, the only thing Continental about was the print on the boarding passes because all of her flight legs were actually codeshared-Northwest flights.

At PHL, CO's gates are at Terminal D; NW's are at Terminal E. Apparently she didn't realize that her flight was actually a NW flight until she attempted to go through security at Terminal D rather than E. The TSA agent looked at her boarding pass and mentioned that she was at the wrong terminal. As a result, she had to go to Terminal E and wait in another security line; her trip took place before WN came to PHL and modified the Terminal E screening area.

Granted, she could have looked at the monitors and read the smaller print on her boarding pass and eliminated the headache of needlessly waiting in 2 security lines rather than one; but to a person unfamiliar with an airport or w/codeshares (she hadn't flown for several years prior to her recent trip), codeshares are just one more piece of added confusion to an infrequent traveler.

When she first told me about her trip, after the fact; the moment that she mentioned that the first leg of her flight was a non-stop PHL-DTW route, she was actually shocked that I told her that it was a NW flight.

Then she mentioned her ordeal at PHL, to which I responded saying, "Ah, the joys of codesharing."
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