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Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:05 pm

GUM 6L/24R closed currently due to a Northwest 747 landing and it's nosegear collapsed. COA/CMI flights diverting to UAM. No injuries reported, but not sure how long it will take to reopen...
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:10 pm

LoL. That's the LAST thing NW needs at the moment. I'm not looking forward to Saturday morning. I have a BAD feeling every single NW passenger stuck in HLN will be at my counter. Joy...  headache 

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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:50 pm

UAM? Anderson? Just a guess.

Hey Fluffy, consider it job security?
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:51 pm

UAM is Anderson, yes...there's a couple of CO planes there already...

Apparently it was flight 74 from NRT, a 747-200...
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:53 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Hey Fluffy, consider it job security?

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

I suppose, but considering NW used to own some of GQ, and they are our biggest codeshare partner at the moment. Either way, I'm betting I'm gonna need a drink (or three) come Saturday night.
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Fri Aug 19, 2005 3:11 pm

UA on its arse, NW on its nose............
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:22 pm

N627US is the aircraft involved, new colors...

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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:35 pm

Here's the latest from the NBC affiliate on Guam...

http://www.kuam.com/news/14742.aspx
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Fri Aug 19, 2005 7:12 pm

I ran to the hillside that fronts 24R just to check out the damage...not too bad...but there are lines of police vehicles escorting passengers that arrived at UAM to GUM to clear customs...here's a shot...call me stupid for uploading this given its quality, but I figured what the hell...it's one of those "special" ones hehe...

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/100_1342.jpg

[Edited 2005-08-19 12:22:30]
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Fri Aug 19, 2005 7:41 pm

Here are more pictures from Barrigada Heights... Picture quality isn't that great, but I hope you enjoy it... Thanks...

Here you go:







 
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:43 pm

Let me get this right:

LSG Sky Chefs employee Joel Sablan was on the runway waiting for a Japan Airlines flight to land when he witnessed something he's never seen before.


The nose of the plane is touching the ground, which Faasuamalie confirms is not a normal occurrence.

Gotta love these reporters Big grin
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:52 pm

So...how will this affect NW's phasing out the DC9's?  Wink

Not to be anal retentive, but it's spelled Andersen (Air Base)...
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Fri Aug 19, 2005 10:15 pm

The pix look pretty good - the 1st one especially as off the airport site. This doesn't look good. It seems that the a/c is not in line to the runway, is slightly skewed and leaning to the port side. Besides some nose and nose gear damage, was there other damage? How long do they expect the airport to be closed? How long will it take to fix to fly if possible to do so? How will the mx's proposed strike affect getting this a/c back in the air?
 
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Fri Aug 19, 2005 10:48 pm

Quoting BBJII (Reply 10):
The nose of the plane is touching the ground, which Faasuamalie confirms is not a normal occurrence.

You should have heard it said live on Ch.8 news today hehe...

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 12):
Besides some nose and nose gear damage, was there other damage? How long do they expect the airport to be closed? How long will it take to fix to fly if possible to do so?

As far as we know, there is some smoldering in the affected area, nothing else. The airport is no longer closed, all incoming and departing flights are now utilizing 6R, which was recently extended. As far as a time frame for the bird's full recovery, I don't know if I'd want to be in that plane again (Looking at old photographs, I realized based on the registration numbers that I flew in it in 2001 from GUM-NRT). As of late, it had been announced that the aircraft would be removed from the end of the runway by Saturday, Guam time.
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Fri Aug 19, 2005 10:54 pm

Any Offical Cause Reported.
Hard Landing.
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Collosion Impact.
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Fri Aug 19, 2005 11:23 pm

As of right now nwa.com is showing flight 74 estimated to depart 12 hours late tomorrow 8/20 due to aircraft change.
 
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Fri Aug 19, 2005 11:56 pm

Quoting GuamVICE (Reply 8):
I ran to the hillside that fronts 24R just to check out the damage... here's a shot ...



Quoting Mrivera (Reply 9):
Here are more pictures from Barrigada Heights... Picture quality isn't that great, but I hope you enjoy it...

Guys, thanks for hustling out (and up) to get those shots. They're worth a thousand words (each).
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Sat Aug 20, 2005 1:01 am

Homer71,

You're right that it's Andersen. Somehow in my research, I came across both spellings and trusted the wrong site  Smile

Airport was due to reopen at 1100z and it appears to have according to the reports above, with 6R/24L now in service for the first time since Nov 04...

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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Sat Aug 20, 2005 1:10 am

In the new livery too... bummer. Hope NW gets this bird back in action soon.

All doors are open. Was evac by chutes, or did they bring stairs out?
 
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Sat Aug 20, 2005 1:14 am

Doors 2, 3, and 4 were used with evac shuts - doors 1 and 5 could not be used because of the noise being down and the tail too high in the air. I'm so glad every one is safe! The one person that is in the hospital was hurt going down the slides.....In evacs- going down the slides is where the majority of injuries will happen. For those that think having the crew in shorts is cute - they will be the 1st ones hurt going down.

Great work FA's!!
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Sat Aug 20, 2005 2:02 am

Evac was done by chutes supposedly after a smoky smell was sensed in the airplane, probably just the smell resonating after the plane skidded on it's nose for about 2000ft down the runway.

From one of our staff out in GUM who saw the plane up close, he mentioned the crew did a great job in handling the nose gear problem they had.
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Sat Aug 20, 2005 5:47 am

Quoting GuamVICE (Reply 8):
here's a shot...call me stupid for uploading this given its quality

Fantastic picture GuamVice! Way to go.
 
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Sat Aug 20, 2005 5:56 am

Guys,

Here's the Saturday morning article from pulled from our local newspaper's online publication with some updates at GUAMPDN.COM.

Thanks for the support Indio...If only the screeners show the same mercy hehehe...

[Edited 2005-08-19 22:58:41]
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Sat Aug 20, 2005 6:08 am

Is it my bad eyesight or in the final picture above does it appear that the fuselage has buckled behind the back of the "hump" causing the nose to lay flatter on the ground.

UAL747-600

[Edited 2005-08-19 23:09:53]
 
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Sat Aug 20, 2005 6:13 am

My compliments GuamVICE. If I were still living at Ladera Towers I would have contributed to the pix also!
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Sat Aug 20, 2005 6:17 am

Thanks guys, great photos.

UAL747-600, I agree that there looks to be some lateral buckling forward of the hump, but its probably some kind of optical illusion exacerbated by the trucks in front of that part of the fuselage. Actually is that a truck below the
"W" or is that some kind of fuselage skin damage?
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Sat Aug 20, 2005 6:21 am

If the mechanics strike, who will fix it. I know the 747 will not be the biggest of NW's problems but will it sit there till NW mechanics get to it or will another airline's crew fix it?
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Sat Aug 20, 2005 6:23 am

The 747 are already outsoursed to SIN, HKG and MNL there are two other Asian cities, that forgive me, I can not remember off hand!
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Sat Aug 20, 2005 6:38 am

Geez, First it's a UA744 doing a "wheelie", and now an NWA 747 taking a bow.  Smile

Maybe the NW plane was trying to imitate a Rutan Vari-EZ.
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Sat Aug 20, 2005 7:07 am

Quoting UAL747-600 (Reply 23):
does it appear that the fuselage has buckled behind the back of the "hump" causing the nose to lay flatter on the ground.

Actually, it's the glare of the sun and my friend's cell phone camera quality that gives the illusion of damage.

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 24):
My compliments GuamVICE. If I were still living at Ladera Towers I would have contributed to the pix also!

Thanks for the compliments, I've never seen the view from Ladera, although I'm sure it's pretty good  Wink

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 26):
If the mechanics strike, who will fix it. I know the 747 will not be the biggest of NW's problems but will it sit there till NW mechanics get to it or will another airline's crew fix it?

I asked my uncle about this, who happens to be an mechanic for CO. He says that if there is an issue that is easily remedied, Continental will take care of it. However, in a situation like this, they usually call in a crew from the affected airline. Now, with the strike issue, it becomes difficult to determine exactly how NW will handle this.
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Sat Aug 20, 2005 7:44 am

Guys, I just got back from the hillside. After a good night's rest, it's time for the bird to leave its nest...here you can see cranes positioning themselves to lift her up. Not sure where they're going to move her yet...



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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Sat Aug 20, 2005 8:16 am

I happened to come across this KUAM-TV story regarding this:

KUAM Report

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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Sat Aug 20, 2005 8:32 am

Not to be anal retentive, but it's spelled Andersen (Air Base)...

Not to be anal Retentive but UAM is an Air Force base as it is located on US Soil, Guam....Air base is for non-USA Locations...
 
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:47 am

Is there anyone else besides me who is awed by how high the tail is sticking up because of the nose gear collapse?
 
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Sat Aug 20, 2005 10:33 am

Quoting Mav75 (Reply 33):
Is there anyone else besides me who is awed by how high the tail is sticking up because of the nose gear collapse?

It occurred to me that the tail was sort of high for a nose gear collapse, but I didn't think much of it...I figured the damage to the nose gear was pretty extensive...
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Sat Aug 20, 2005 1:33 pm

Anyone have an idea which ship this is???

Also kudos GuamVice and Mrivera on providing such great shots!!!

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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Sat Aug 20, 2005 1:35 pm

Good that no one was hurt, but a really a shame....I hope that old bird dose not get W/O like the DC-9's recently
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Sat Aug 20, 2005 4:45 pm

BN747,

Reply 6 above has the reg, N627US...

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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:06 am

"Flight 74's front landing gear collapsed around 2 p.m. after it had slowed and was moving toward its designated gate, Faasuamalie said."

http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll...ID=/20050820/NEWS01/508200302/1002

I wonder if the first clue the gear collapsed was it took take-off rated thrust to taxi? LOL
 
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:45 am

The cause of this incident, and the 744 at SFO is obvious - it's the Revenge of the COW. The aforesaid cow was also seen wandering on the runway at Toronto a few weeks ago, causing an AF340 to overshoot and end up bbq'd in a ditch.

Be very, very afraid... scared 



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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:56 am

More pics:
http://www.pbase.com/image/47952777/large.jpg
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http://www.pbase.com/image/47952778/large.jpg
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http://www.pbase.com/image/47952779/large.jpg

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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:07 am

Here's a picture of ship 6627 at HNL on the 15th of this month. A week ago.
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:05 am

Quoting GuamVICE (Reply 8):
call me stupid for uploading this given its quality,

Reaffirming previous posts...good work, hope they're added to to database purely for their historical context. (Considering a perfect shot is not a gimmee under such conditions....

The foam at first look; looks like snow...

I was surprised NW still had the -200 in service. Whoa.
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Sun Aug 21, 2005 6:16 pm

Fantastic Pictures.
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:17 pm

Yes there Are Several PAX and Freighter -200's Pilot base is ANC only  Smile
 
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:50 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 42):
I was surprised NW still had the -200 in service. Whoa.

Come on, this is NW we're talking about here! The champion of the DC-9 and all her contemporaries won't get rid of the classics until they fly 'em into the ground! ...litteraly!
 
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:22 am

Looks like NW may be taking a -200 out of the desert to replace 6627, NWA915 is scheduled to depart Victorville for Narita at 5PM PDT as a B742. Unconfirmed because I thought the 900 series flights were usually the cargo 200s. Anyone with more info ?
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:26 am

Amazing....

No media articles or morning shows questioning the future of the 747 due to this incident.
More surprising is the absence of newspaper articles that paint a black picture and have quotes about the "ordeal" beginning shortly after take off with no airline personel informing anyone or no ones first time flight or a couple on their honeymoon.  cheeky 
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:11 am

THAT IS CRAZY,WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON WITH ALL THESE ACCIDENTS. OH AND VERY GOOD PICTURES............
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RE: Northwest 747 Nosegear Collapse At GUM

Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:55 am

Ref reply #46, NWA915 is actually the 747-200 that has been converted to a freighter - fleet number 6732 / reg N632NW. It was converted in Tel Aviv, then flown to VCV or painting in new NWA Cargo colors. It was supposed to leave VCV a few days ago via SFO, but required an engine change first. So, now positioning to NRT to enter revenue service.

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