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A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating

Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:19 am

Does any airline configure their last rear rows as 1-4-1 or 1-3-1 due to the narrowing of the fuselage?
 
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RE: A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating

Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:21 am

I believe its only 2-3-2 at the very rear of the passenger cabin.
 
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RE: A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating

Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:21 am

Not that I know, the standard seating configuration in the last rows is usually 2-3-2.

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RE: A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating

Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:34 am

I'm interested if any airline has a slightly non standard configuration.

I'd call a QF B767 Business class cabin configured 1-2-2 as non standard, so airlines do sometimes do non standard configurations of seating.
 
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RE: A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating

Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:17 am

Some MD-11s are configured 2-4-3. KLM for instance.


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RE: A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating

Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:28 am

I am unaware of any carrier with other than 2-3-2 at the back. And as a sidebar, the 1-2-2 in J on a 767 is not uncommon. For instance, AC uses that config in overseas service, as did CP before AC bought them.
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RE: A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating

Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:52 pm

So does AM. Their business class configuration in the 767ER's is 1-2-2.
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RE: A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating

Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:01 pm

1-2-2 on a 767 would make that 1 seat awesome. I like the 1 seat in the 2-1-2 configs, but you can get bumped from both sides and you don't get a window.

I wish all 777s were configured 2-4-3 or 2-5-2. I think 3-3-3 is kinda dumb.
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RE: A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating

Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:22 pm

The "A" or "K" seat (the single one depending on the aircraft seating config) on an AC 767 is simply the best J seat offered by a carrier based in N. America, IMO. Sure, they don't lie flat etc. but for pure space and privacy, it can't be beat.

I flew SYD-YVR in that seat (in addition to many LHR-YYZ and LHR-YHZ flights) and always enjoyed it. Of course, a last minute equipment change can mean that your single "A" has become a double "A-B" (if they switch and use the other 767 where the single is the "K") which is a nasty surprise when you walk aboard.
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RE: A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating

Sun Aug 21, 2005 3:08 pm

didn't NG have both 3-3-3 and 2-5-2 across the economy cabins in the 777s?
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RE: A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating

Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:33 pm

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 9):
didn't NG have both 3-3-3 and 2-5-2 across the economy cabins in the 777s?

Actually, they've got 3-3-3 in the mid-section and 3-4-3 in the rear section of the B777...

http://www.aua.com/at/eng/extras/Pop...Fleet+Seatmap/seatmap+777-+200.htm

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RE: A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating

Sun Aug 21, 2005 5:42 pm

Nobody mentioned the A345 of SIA. Because they have an upgraded Y due to the ultralong flights the last two rows are 2-2-2.

SIA homepage don't have a cabinlayout map available so I found only this one http://seatguru.com/airlines/Singapo..._Air/Singapore_Air_Airbus_A345.php
 
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RE: A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating

Sun Aug 21, 2005 5:42 pm

All SA 343's and 346's have a 2-2-2 configuration in the third last row from the back - due to a service panel located in the floor. From there on it is the usual 2-3-2 config.  Smile


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RE: A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating

Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:03 pm

Hi all,

I am flying on a Monarch A300 next week, seat map:-

http://www.flymonarch.com/cnt/aircraft/a300.asp

As has been discussed here (although A330/340) the A300 narrows at the back and has 2-3-2 as opposed to 3-3-3

I was wondering if anyone knew or could guess at whether the 2-3-2 area would be nicer to sit in that the 3-3-3, 2 less seats wide and it looks like it would be better but the cabin narrows so would it feel a little cramped?

Cheers

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RE: A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating

Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:14 pm

Those Monarch A300s are awesome - the cabin rises up at the back and there are no cabin dividers so if you sit at the back, it's just a carpet of heads as far forward as the eye can see. Enjoy.
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RE: A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating

Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:38 pm

LH's A343 aircraft have a 2-3-2 layout at the back. I flew in the 2nd to last row on one from IAH-FRA 2 weeks ago, but it seems to be that way in the rest of economy class on those planes.
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RE: A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating

Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:48 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 6):
So does AM. Their business class configuration in the 767ER's is 1-2-2.



Quoting ExPedia (Reply 5):
the 1-2-2 in J on a 767 is not uncommon. For instance, AC uses that config in overseas service,

QF's B767's are also 1-2-2..... The crappy ones they use for NRT-MEL.

Can't believe they operate such crappy equipment on such a long sector!

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RE: A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating

Tue Aug 23, 2005 10:22 pm

I remember that EK has a 2-3-2 configuration on their A340-300 for the last rows...
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RE: A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating

Tue Aug 23, 2005 10:38 pm

The 744's the obvious one - on BA they taper from 3-4-3 to 2-4-2 for the last 3 rows:

 
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RE: A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating

Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:00 pm

This is the difference - on 747s, a seat disappears next to each window, leaving the aisle boundaries unchanged, whereas on Airbus widebodies and 777s, a seat disappears from the centre section, giving an irregular aisle. Presumably the 747's fuselage tapers more at the rear than the others' (necessitating the removal of two seats from each row rather than one).

The exception to this seems to be on 3-3-3-configured 777s (possibly the most common 777 economy layout?), where the rearmost rows are 2-3-2 rather than 3-2-3 (which incidentally I believe the Il-86 and Il-96 feature).

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RE: A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating

Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:11 pm

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 2):
Not that I know, the standard seating configuration in the last rows is usually 2-3-2.

Yes, Swiss has in the last five rows of its 332 and four rows of its 343 in 2-3-2 configuration.

Quoting N808NW (Reply 4):
Some MD-11s are configured 2-4-3. KLM for instance.

All Swissair/Swiss MD 11 were in 2-4-3. In my opinion the best configuration for an aircraft with 9 abreast (much better than 2-5-2 or the worst 3-3-3).
 
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RE: A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating

Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:17 pm

The moral of the story is, avoid those rear seats at all costs as they are cramped and uncomfortable. I have been an unwilling occupant several times now on LH!
 
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RE: A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating

Wed Aug 24, 2005 2:24 am

Hi all,

"The moral of the story is, avoid those rear seats at all costs as they are cramped and uncomfortable. I have been an unwilling occupant several times now on LH!"

Does it really make a huge negative difference? Surely by having fewer seats across it compensates for the reducing width of the aircraft?

Cheers

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RE: A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating

Wed Aug 24, 2005 2:27 am

Quoting LGW (Reply 22):
Does it really make a huge negative difference? Surely by having fewer seats across it compensates for the reducing width of the aircraft?

You are right. The seats have the same width, but you have the advantage to have less abreast.
 
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RE: A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating

Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:20 am

Quoting Afay1 (Reply 21):
The moral of the story is, avoid those rear seats at all costs as they are cramped and uncomfortable.

I deliberately chose seat 51K last summer flying SEA -> LHR because you only have to get past one other person. It was great - there was even enough extra room to stuff my bag down by the side of my seat. Definitely not worse than a normal seat!
 
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RE: A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating

Wed Aug 24, 2005 5:35 am

Slightly off topic, but does anyone remember the seating on the old A300s? They not only tapered (I can't remember to what seat config in the last rows) but the floor rose up at the back. So did the windows.

[Edited 2005-08-23 22:39:34]
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RE: A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating

Wed Aug 24, 2005 5:59 am

This is true of all Airbus widebodies - the angled flooring providing a little more room in the rear hold underneath. I believe it's only something like two degrees - quite a bit less than it looks. Cedarjet mentioned it in reply 14.

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RE: A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating

Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:20 am

Quoting Richardw (Reply 3):
I'm interested if any airline has a slightly non standard configuration.

Check out this thread about this strange seat on a 747! Check out the middle row.

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RE: A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating

Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:02 am

The seats have both less width, less pitch, limited recline, in the back on LH (A340)/SAS (A330/A340). Check seatguru.com or ask an FA if you don't believe me.

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