goodmanr
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NWA DC9 Emergency Landing At MSP?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:04 am

Am visiting some relatives in the Twin Cities this weekend and flying back home MSP-DCA tomorrow on NW. I tuned into the news to see if there were any flight disruptions and they said a DC-9 declared an emergency and landed safely at MSP, can't find a link anywhere though.... The cabin apparently filled with smoke.

Anyone know anything?

This is PR mess for NW if it's true, even though the MX probably had nothing to do with anything.

[Edited 2005-08-21 02:09:05]
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geg2rap
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RE: NWA DC9 Emergency Landing At MSP?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:25 am

kstp said it was at DTW on the 6PM news
 
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RE: NWA DC9 Emergency Landing At MSP?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:26 am

Heard on the news in Detroit a 757 blew 4 tires at Landing..
 
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RE: NWA DC9 Emergency Landing At MSP?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:39 am

www.wcco.com is repoting a DC-9 DTW- PIT returned due to smoke in the cabin.
 
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RE: NWA DC9 Emergency Landing At MSP?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:41 am

 
grrtvc
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RE: NWA DC9 Emergency Landing At MSP?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:44 am

Just waiting for someone to say it was becuase of an inferior maitenance guy

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FLAIRPORT
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RE: NWA DC9 Emergency Landing At MSP?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:17 am

probably the work of that guy who said today that he wants to ruin NW by striking...sabotoge
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RE: NWA DC9 Emergency Landing At MSP?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:27 am

Could we agree to avoid judgement on this matter until the facts are presented. I agree that with the strike now in progress it is easy to attach mechanical failures to it. However for the sake of the people involved could we agree to withhold judgement until we know what happened? I can.

This pertains to both the DC-9 emergency landing and the tire blowouts on the 757.
 
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RE: NWA DC9 Emergency Landing At MSP?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:34 am

Quoting FLAIRPORT (Reply 6):
probably the work of that guy who said today that he wants to ruin NW by striking...sabotoge

btw i meant that as a joke!
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neilalp
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RE: NWA DC9 Emergency Landing At MSP?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:43 am

Just heard from the Local Fox station here in Detroit that another flight from DTW-BOS 40mins out returned back to DTW. The pilot made the decision. That's all I know.
 
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RE: NWA DC9 Emergency Landing At MSP?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:46 am

A friend of mine was working a DTW-New York flight and upon takeoff, the cabin filled with smoke... the smoke cleared and upon landing, the oil was at unbelievably low levels and they had supposedly filled the oil before the flight

dunno whats going on...but today, i left NWA permanently
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RE: NWA DC9 Emergency Landing At MSP?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:53 am

Welcome to the law of large numbers and stupid people jumping to conclusions.

Ever stop to think how often these types of incidents occured with the previous mx staff? NW isn't exactly a small, regional airline, after all.

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RE: NWA DC9 Emergency Landing At MSP?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:53 am

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 10):
A friend of mine was working a DTW-New York flight and upon takeoff, the cabin filled with smoke

I'm not sure if you have a new story or you ment the DTW-PIT flight. #1412. That was the smoke filled cabin due to an AC unit.
 
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RE: NWA DC9 Emergency Landing At MSP?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:46 pm

"dunno whats going on...but today, i left NWA permanently"

Why would you do that?
What do you know about everyday ops on a whole airline that would make you these are not normal operations getting hyper attention?
Why would you leave "permanently" and assume nothing will return to normal as you know it?
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RE: NWA DC9 Emergency Landing At MSP?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:16 pm

M404;

I think he meant that he decided not to work there. BR715-A1-30 is one of the 'replacement' FA's that was recently hired, and he'd been given a hard time on here lately for that. So I guess he's using this as sort of an excuse to slowly step away from the awkward labour situation he might have been getting into.

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RE: NWA DC9 Emergency Landing At MSP?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:20 pm

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 10):
dunno whats going on...but today, i left NWA permanently

Good for you. Let me know what airline you keep since these types of incidents happen TO ALL OF THEM....  Yeah sure

It was DTW as mentioned before in this thread and in the article. Two incidents now at the same time as the strike is going on is rather "interesting" but nothing to bash or leave NW over. Needless to say, NW is getting TONS of publicity...not the greatest but still publicity. NW has managed to fly under the radar during all the industry problems. All we heard about is how bad UA and US were doing, now all of the sudden NW is all we are hearing about. What I say about all this sh$t going is on, very unfortunate events but we all know NW will recover and only an idiot would not fly NW based on these bad few incidents.

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 7):
Could we agree to avoid judgement on this matter until the facts are presented. I agree that with the strike now in progress it is easy to attach mechanical failures to it. However for the sake of the people involved could we agree to withhold judgement until we know what happened? I can.

Virtually impossible for some. I find it rather sad that so called aviation enthusiast jump on this high horse about NW. An airline going through a difficult time is NOTHING to go on and on about. Report "breaking news" as much as you want BUT don't make it into a NW bashing fest or any other airline for that matter. The industry is not doing good and all this BS and speculation is NOT helping.
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RE: NWA DC9 Emergency Landing At MSP?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:38 pm

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 15):
I find it rather sad that so called aviation enthusiast jump on this high horse about NW. An airline going through a difficult time is NOTHING to go on and on about. Report "breaking news" as much as you want BUT don't make it into a NW bashing fest or any other airline for that matter. The industry is not doing good and all this BS and speculation is NOT helping.

There are MANY airline employees here that were directly affected by the actions that NW management chose to take (or not to take, as the case may be) where regards their woeful attempts at "negotiating" reasonably with their mechanics. It would be unreasonable to expect that they would not be somewhat happy to see management reaping what they spent so much time sowing. All of this evidence is just proving their point that they are a valuable resource and should be compensated fairly. Mechanics make a fraction of what the Pilots make, yet their function is every bit as important as that of the Pilots.

I, myself, not being a NW employee, find it suspect that they've had two emergency landings in one day, and another smoke in the cabin incident, and those are just the ones I've read about here. Sure, NW is a large airline, but emergency landings are not every day normal incidents at any airline - at least any airline that is not struggling with a mechanic strike that is.
 
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RE: NWA DC9 Emergency Landing At MSP?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:48 pm

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 16):
find it suspect that they've had two emergency landings in one day, and another smoke in the cabin incident, and those are just the ones I've read about here. Sure, NW is a large airline, but emergency landings are not every day normal incidents at any airline - at least any airline that is not struggling with a mechanic strike that is.

so what are you saying? Mechanics sabotaged the planes???? If that was the case, WOW...NW definitely needs to get rid of them.

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 16):
All of this evidence is just proving their point that they are a valuable resource and should be compensated fairly

Well that is rather obvious. No one is saying they aren't a valuable source.

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 16):
Mechanics make a fraction of what the Pilots make, yet their function is every bit as important as that of the Pilots.

So now you want equal pay for everyone? If you try using that argument, people in different industries should be on strike right now also. Burger King should pay their cooks the same amount as managers because without them, there wouldn't be any food to distribute. There will always be jobs that are essential to one another and work together HOWEVER at different pay rates. They knew the difference in pay going in to the job.

[Edited 2005-08-21 07:02:26]
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RE: NWA DC9 Emergency Landing At MSP?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 3:09 pm

DC-9/MD-80 smoke in the cabin is quite common when oils and hydraulics are improperly serviced.

Considering a requirement to properly maintain any one NW fleet type, the technician must have a good working knowledge of the company General Maintenance Manual (a document tens of thousands of pages long), Aircraft Maintenance Manual (thousands more pages), Aircraft Schematic Manual (hundreds of pages), Aircraft Wiring Manual (thousands of pages), Aircraft illustrated Parts Catalog and Equipment List (thousands of pages) and assorted component manuals, EO manuals, AD lists......etc. It takes years and years to become proficient on a fleet type.

The replacement mechs have had at most three months of training, is anyone really convinced these people are properly equipped to do the job correctly and safely?
 
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RE: NWA DC9 Emergency Landing At MSP?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 3:15 pm

AP reports smoke was an "air conditioning system problem".

"One Northwest plane blew out four tires as it landed on a runway, and another made an emergency landing after flight attendants reported smoke in the cabin. No injuries were reported in either incident. The airline said the cause of the blow-out was likely "an anti-skid braking issue," the vapor appeared to be an air conditioning system problem, and neither had anything to do with the strike."

http://www.freep.com/news/statewire/sw120147_20050820.htm
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RE: NWA DC9 Emergency Landing At MSP?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:47 pm

Quoting M404 (Reply 13):
Why would you do that?
What do you know about everyday ops on a whole airline that would make you these are not normal operations getting hyper attention?
Why would you leave "permanently" and assume nothing will return to normal as you know it?

I guess what I meant to say is... I did not feel comfortable at NWA. Something just didn't ring right with them. I did not want to be in any position to take anybody's job, which is what they were going to eventually use us for and nothing else. On my flight back, I got a mental picture of me getting to the airport and shoving my friends aside. I could not work in place of somebody, but will always gladly work with a team. I'm sorry if this has upset some of you, but it is my final decision. If you do not like it, I am sorry. Besides, I also got tired of all of the lies they were telling us... like this is going to happen, or this isn't going to happen, or we don't know how long you'll be held hostage in this hotel until you steal somebody's job. And I also hated the fact that I "Belonged to them for 1 year".
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RE: NWA DC9 Emergency Landing At MSP?

Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:31 am

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 7):
Could we agree to avoid judgement on this matter until the facts are presented.

Amen Karl. It amazes me that because of the strike people automatically ASSUME that these incidents are a direct result. Granted, the union will probably run with that theory, but people in this forum should be more objective.

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RE: NWA DC9 Emergency Landing At MSP?

Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:52 am

Quoting Jjbiv (Reply 11):
Welcome to the law of large numbers and stupid people jumping to conclusions.

It's called the law of mathmatics and the term used here would be statistically significant.

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 16):
Mechanics make a fraction of what the Pilots make, yet their function is every bit as important as that of the Pilots.

Unless your fortunate enough to get a USAF flight slot right out of college and an assignment into a heavy-lift cargo type aircraft, most of your pilots hwo worked their way up via the civillian route don't start seeing anywhere near big money until many years down the road. Now if it takes a good 5 to 10 years to get the requisite flight time necessary via the civillian route just to be able to apply for the majors, and then they are going to take their career into their hands every time they take to the air and do so with 500 screaming hippies in the back, than don't be surprised if they earn $200k a year.

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 16):
There are MANY airline employees here that were directly affected by the actions that NW management chose to take (or not to take, as the case may be) where regards their woeful attempts at "negotiating" reasonably with their mechanics.

Or it could be said that "There are MANY airline employees here that were directly affected by the actions that NW MECHANICS chose to take (or not to take, as the case may be) where regards their woeful attempts at "negotiating" reasonably with the (NWA) MANAGEMENT. It's called perspective and when your custodians are making $40k a year when the Federal government readily encourages illegal immigrants from Mexico through their dilligent ineptitude to come across and fulfill those duties for half that amount, I think the Unions have dug their own graves and out-priced themselves from a competitive market (A&P mechanics and custodians.)

Quoting 242 (Reply 18):
It takes years and years to become proficient on a fleet type.

And you still confirm with your pub before each and every maintenance don't you?

Quoting 242 (Reply 18):
The replacement mechs have had at most three months of training, is anyone really convinced these people are properly equipped to do the job correctly and safely?

Your making the incorrect assumption that all of these replacement mechs are straight out of Wyo-Tech and the ink isn't even dry on their A&P. Step outside the bun and dare to imagine that there are likely mechs with a broad spectrum of experience of whom NWA has been able to hire to replace the AMFA Union mechs for a more reasonable wage.
 
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RE: NWA DC9 Emergency Landing At MSP?

Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:14 am

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 22):
And you still confirm with your pub before each and every maintenance don't you?

Most certainly, yes. If an FAA inspector inquires how I know I'm performing a certain task correctly, I'd better have the proper documents with me or know exactly where and in what manual to find such documents.



Quoting AirRyan (Reply 22):
Step outside the bun and dare to imagine that there are likely mechs with a broad spectrum of experience of whom NWA has been able to hire to replace the AMFA Union mechs for a more reasonable wage.

So you agree that $67,000 yearly is a reasonable wage for an aviation mechanic? That is the amount that NWA is paying the replacement workers, yet they expect their own people to be happy with $52,000 yearly.
 
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RE: NWA DC9 Emergency Landing At MSP?

Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:20 am

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RE: NWA DC9 Emergency Landing At MSP?

Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:34 am

BR715-A1-30

Now if sort if makes sense. I thought you were a customer jumping to media conclusions. Jean Le Loup explained that and thanks for the clarification. I was just rallying about jumping to all kinds of conclusions not based on solid facts and experiance.

I'd love to know what "lies" you were told as I'm sure just about every work group left in the industry will be using these tactics if it works at NW. I can only imagine the kind of reception you got on "training" flights from the people you were being hired to replace "if" they chose to sympathy strike but I also hope you understand that hostility. As it is I have not heard about any support from the F/A union for AMFA. You may have even experianced why many WANT a union. That way a clear path is made for your employment based on negotiated rules for both parties.

I hope you get a chance to try out this profession to check it out for your own validation in the future. I however would simply never mention this episode to any future employer OR your co-workers.

Good Luck
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RE: NWA DC9 Emergency Landing At MSP?

Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:39 am

These are normal occurrences...thousands of flights a day, and seldom without a few glitches-keeping in mind that these controlled, isolated incidents are just that. Without the strike, the only place you would hear about these situations is on the FAA incident report site/sheet. I am against the strike and all it stands for, certainly not teamwork-but in the end...these folks (the mechanics) aren't sadist and most surely they are not intending to harm innocent passengers. Let's hope their great pride and respect for their work,under any circumstances remains paramount during this current, unfortunate (for all) situation.
 
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RE: NWA DC9 Emergency Landing At MSP?

Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:26 am

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 22):
Quoting Jjbiv (Reply 11):
Welcome to the law of large numbers and stupid people jumping to conclusions.

It's called the law of mathmatics and the term used here would be statistically significant.

Did you want to provide a citation for that claim? There are many a "law of mathmatics" (sic.) In common usage, the "law of large numbers" means that as sample size increases, so does the probability of an event occurring at least once. Seeing as how NW is not releasing any operations data, neither of us can conclude whether a handful of incidents in the course of one day is statistically significant or not.

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RE: NWA DC9 Emergency Landing At MSP?

Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:35 am

Yeah I agree...these things happen all the time...and the last thing Northwest needs is people making the assumption that the planes were sabotaged purposely...

Just interesting to note...the incident at GUM also involved the landing gear hehehe...
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