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How To Check About Near-miss

Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:06 am

I have flown many times and I am sure my credibility will be called into question. I am not making things up or trying to say it was anything closer than 500-1,000 feet.

However, I was on AirTran Flight 758 from FLL-PHL. Everything went smoothly for the most part, but there was a somewhat noticeable turn just before I noticed a plane - with a white top (DL?) fly underneath our plane - in what I would estimate 500-1,000 feet as I mentioned above. The incident occured where I could figure was GSP - possibly to the NE of the Macey arrivals corridor for ATL.

How could I look this up and get further information to see how close this actually was or if it was possibly reported?

Thanks for any help....DAN

Edited for grammar and spelling error

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RE: How To Check About Near-miss

Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:18 pm

Check - they list all the reported incidents for the last ten days in both commercial and general aviation. If it was reported, they'll have it.

IIRC, though, near-misses are not required to be reported, and some pilots won't do it.

Also, though, keep in mind that 1,000 feet separation is allowed in many cases these days.

btw, as I was looking through this database just now myself, I saw this:


Haven't seen that one written up here before - been a bad couple days for NWA!

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RE: How To Check About Near-miss

Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:21 pm

Dan, 1000 ft. would be standard separation up to flight level 410. An aircraft coming suddenly into your view will almost always seem closer than it really is.

If you have the location correct, you could call the Atlanta ARTCC and inquire. You will probably be told to call their regional office, who will then take your contact information, suggest you file a "Freedom of Information Act" request, the forget they ever spoke to you.

If it was less than standard separation, the En Route Center computer would have alerted the guy in charge (ratted out the controller) that a "loss of separation" (deal) had occurred, and the controller would be.......not having a good day.
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RE: How To Check About Near-miss

Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:22 pm

Same thing happenedd to me.

Flying over Dallas Area. Southwest Airlines, we are cruising along, smooth flight. Out of NOWHERE, we dove, what seemed 1,000 feet, and I heard a roar, and looked up to see a shadow pass over the wing. I looked out the window, and saw another Southwest plane fly right over us, I could see it was a 737-300, new colors, the reg was N3XXSW. Scared the shit out of me. I looked at the F/A with a "did u see that look?!" she put her fingers up to her mouth to say be quite. I nodded cause I did not want to cause a panick.

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RE: How To Check About Near-miss

Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:28 pm

You mean a near-hit.  Wink

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RE: How To Check About Near-miss

Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:03 am

Keep in mind that although it is called 1000 ft separation, in fact even less is allowed without it being a loss of separation. The values are of course different for different airspaces but for example with us an aircraft is considered to be maintaining a level if it is within 300 ft of that level.
Example: An aircraft is maintaining FL 300, 30 000 ft. It is considered to be maintaining within the envelope of 29 850 ft and 30 149 ft. Our display only shows the first three figures, so whenever we see Mode C-readout of FL 302 or FL 298 we have to confirm with the pilot whether he/she is maintaining FL 300. So you can end up with one aircraft at FL 301 and the other aircraft at FL 309 and both are considered to be maintaining and it is fully legal - although only 800 ft.
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RE: How To Check About Near-miss

Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:11 pm

I had a near hit many years ago when flying an American Eagle ATR42 from Freeport to Miami. We were about 15 miles from the airport. My sister who sat next to me had unbuckled her seat belt for some reason and all of a sudden we dove at least 1000 feet. Passengers in the plane started screaming but we leveled off rather quickly. My sister was bolted from her seat and landed on me. The pilot apologized and told us that they had an air traffic alert and left it at that. It scared the shit out of me. I had to check myself.

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