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Can I Throwaway An International Ticket?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:41 pm

I am an American in SXM. I have a comfortable position and this is my new home. But I need to commute now and again to the states.

Here is the problem:

1. Airlines usually have cheap airfares when the trip is short but still has a Saturday night stay. This is fine for the two week vacationer on SXM.

2. Airlines obviously have high fares when there is not a Saturday night stay, but they also have high fares for extended stays.

That means if I use the states as my origin, I am returning four or five months later. If I use SXM as my origin, I am back in two weeks.

Right now, I am on an expensive USA-SXM return ticket and I will return for Christmas.

I want to throw away my return ticket and book a new ticket SXM-USA, a two week duration ticket that is half the price.

Can I do this?
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RE: Can I Throwaway An International Ticket?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:46 pm

Nevermind folks I had an inspiration!

I will just buy a one-way ticket back to SXM for new years, and every subsequent ticket will be SXM-USA.

But the topic is raised, so a question needs to be asked:

1. It is easy to use a throwaway ticket domestically LAX-CVG-DAY anyone? But do international tickets come with complications that prevent the use of throwaway tickets?
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RE: Can I Throwaway An International Ticket?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:41 pm

Why not ask a travel agent or Airline?
 
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RE: Can I Throwaway An International Ticket?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:50 pm

An airline would never, ever issue a throwaway. And a travel agent would never assist you in booking one as they can incur serious penalties for doing so.

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RE: Can I Throwaway An International Ticket?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:04 pm

It is a violation of most airline policies for you to use tickets in that manner.

Not only are you not supposed to throw away, but you aren't supposed to short circuit, either.

In other words, you can't book two round trips (originating in opposite cities) so that you can avoid Saturday night stay requirements and take two trips during the week.

Of course nothing at all is stopping you from doing this with 2 different airlines...
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RE: Can I Throwaway An International Ticket?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:37 pm

Make sure you call the airline to let them no you will not be showing up...don't tell you were plnng not to show up...make it sure it sounds more like a family emergency or some made up stuff
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RE: Can I Throwaway An International Ticket?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 3:44 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
In other words, you can't book two round trips (originating in opposite cities) so that you can avoid Saturday night stay requirements and take two trips during the week.

Of course nothing at all is stopping you from doing this with 2 different airlines...

Yup, I've done this more than once. Nobody ever seemed to know.
 
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RE: Can I Throwaway An International Ticket?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 5:00 pm

Quoting Jet-lagged (Reply 6):
Yup, I've done this more than once. Nobody ever seemed to know.

With two different airlines, it's not surprising - since airlines don't share their reservations details with other carriers (some exceptions apply, obviously).

I've had a couple of cases where LH's agent's helpdesk even gave me the recommendation to issue a throwaway ticket, which I then did - but only after they specifically gave me a waiver and entered that into the PNR.

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RE: Can I Throwaway An International Ticket?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:11 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
It is a violation of most airline policies for you to use tickets in that manner.

Maybe a stupid question but - what happens if you deliberately do it, and the airline finds out? Are they allowed to charge penalties?

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RE: Can I Throwaway An International Ticket?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:04 pm

Remember, this is simply an airline rule. The ways the airlines could potentially penalize passengers include canceling whatever remains of your itinerary, if anything, and not awarding you miles and/or status credit on their FF program. That's about it. Anything else they might do would probably cost them too much in time, effort, lawyer fees and court costs to make it worth while. In the very unlikely event that they tried to charge more money on your credit card I would suggest you fight the charge with your credit card company as I'm fairly certain you would win. Just tell your credit card company that you were unable to fly for any number of acceptable reasons, like you were sick or you simply couldn't make it to the airport and you're off the hook.

Travel agents who knowingly and routinely offer throwaway fares face other risks, up to and including being barred from selling that airline's tickets in the future, but I have no idea how often something like that ever happens. My guess is that it's pretty rare. Just like the passengers can make up any number of excuses, so can the travel agent. I don't see how the airline could prove someone was lying about something like this. Only a long history of suspicious ticket activity is likely to tip anyone off to intentional throwaways.

Anyway this topic is probably more of a flyertalk question, so at least consider asking over there. Those folks are likely to know more about ticketing issues than the average A.netter.
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RE: Can I Throwaway An International Ticket?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:22 pm

Here is what I intend to do. ***Tell me if it is OK***

IAD-SXM, SXM-IAD roundtrip ($900)

IAD-SXM one way ($300)

SXM-IAD, IAD-SXM roundtrip ($500)

SXM-IAD, IAD-SXM roundtrip ($500)

etc.

I am using all my tickets in the correct sequence. I dont think there is a problem. Do airlines care where I originate my tickets?
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RE: Can I Throwaway An International Ticket?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:31 pm

Sorry for being ignorant, but what is the terminology behind a throwaway ticket?
 
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RE: Can I Throwaway An International Ticket?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:46 pm

Quoting ACAfan (Reply 10):
I am using all my tickets in the correct sequence. I dont think there is a problem. Do airlines care where I originate my tickets?

I dont belive you will have an issue there as long as you have proper passport/ect ect. . At least I would assume so. .
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RE: Can I Throwaway An International Ticket?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:49 pm

Quoting Planesailing (Reply 11):
Sorry for being ignorant, but what is the terminology behind a throwaway ticket?

Traditionally return airline tickets are cheaper than one-way tickets due to airlines' complex cost-and fare structuring. Many people would then "bypass" the more expensive one-way ticket by purchasing a cheaper return ticket, fly the first leg and not use the return portion - thus a throwaway ticket.


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RE: Can I Throwaway An International Ticket?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:59 pm

Quoting ACAfan (Reply 10):
Here is what I intend to do. ***Tell me if it is OK***

It is OK - since you're not throwing away anything. Where you originate your ticket is irrelevant for the airline, that's between you and visa regulations/immigration officials.

But as long as that's no problem, you're in the clear.

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RE: Can I Throwaway An International Ticket?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:04 pm

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 13):
Traditionally return airline tickets are cheaper than one-way tickets due to airlines' complex cost-and fare structuring. Many people would then "bypass" the more expensive one-way ticket by purchasing a cheaper return ticket, fly the first leg and not use the return portion - thus a throwaway ticket.

Thanks for that!! In the days of Ryaniar, Easyjet et al, in Europe we dont really experience that anymore. All flights that I book are always priced for easy sector. That goes for booking charter, scheduled or LCC nowdays. I always book direct too, never use travel agents.
 
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RE: Can I Throwaway An International Ticket?

Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:16 pm

Quoting Planesailing (Reply 15):
I always book direct too, never use travel agents.

Usually me too, but whenever the itinerary starts to get complex, I'm of to my friends at Flight Centre. The online airline booking systems are not able to handle stuff like: BFN-JNB-SYD-MEL-SYD-JNB-IAD-ORD-DEN-SFO-JFK (open sector) IAD-JNB-BFN.


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RE: Can I Throwaway An International Ticket?

Mon Aug 22, 2005 5:47 pm

i throw away tickets all the time.
rules:
1: u don't need to tell anyone u are intending to do it.
2: pay cash
 
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RE: Can I Throwaway An International Ticket?

Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:44 pm

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 3):
An airline would never, ever issue a throwaway. And a travel agent would never assist you in booking one as they can incur serious penalties for doing so.

AAndrew

LOL - I once had a travel agent draw my attention to the fact that a throwaway ticket would be cheaper, and she issued the ticket gladly.
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RE: Can I Throwaway An International Ticket?

Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:04 pm

It depends on the country you are in. In the US the airline could technically sue you for the balance to a oneway ticket (I don't think any airline would ever do that though - think about the bad publicity).

In Germany a court has recently decided that a passenger has the right to not use individual segemnt of a ticket EVEN IF HE STILL WANTS TO USE OTHER ONES!!!! So if you don't use your first flight coupon, the airline still has to honor the rest of them! But this is only valid for tickets bought in Germany (no matter where you fly actually). It is expected that courts in the other EU will follow suit.

It was the AG Köln by the way, but I don't seem to have the opinion here. Just google it if you care.

I myself have done it several times on domestic and transatlantic tickets (I have to fly to Europe a lot).
 
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RE: Can I Throwaway An International Ticket?

Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:30 pm

Quoting ACAfan (Reply 10):
I am using all my tickets in the correct sequence. I dont think there is a problem. Do airlines care where I originate my tickets?

Nope.

That first ticket seems pretty expensive. Why don't you find some way to avoid that?
 
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RE: Can I Throwaway An International Ticket?

Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:51 pm

I have found the information and assistance from a KNOWLEDGABLE travel agent to be worth its weight in gold when dealing with complex itineraries. Not only that, an agent is great to have on your side when something goes very wrong. They can get airlines or hotels to right a problem when joe 6-pack doesn't stand a chance (especially when he or she doesn't have double-platinum-gold-wink-wink-256K-elite-FF status to throw around). When it is a simple point a to b booking, I do it my self. As for throwaway, another piece of advice: don't tell them, and don't ask for a refund for that leg, this CAN also result in revocation of FF membership, and online booking privileges. I had a room mate in college that got put through the ringer! But this was back before the turn of the centuary.

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RE: Can I Throwaway An International Ticket?

Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:57 pm

lots of passengers seems to use this idea as many seem to roll upto me with one ticket and it doesnt have a return on it or it has an unused coupon in front of the one we are going for, many a passenger pulls out a 2nd ticket with his/her return on it and in training we have never been asked to bring this kind of thing to anyones attention.....not saying it is correct to do this but it seems to be quite common.
 
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RE: Can I Throwaway An International Ticket?

Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:57 pm

Quoting Chinaeastern (Reply 17):
2: pay cash

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RE: Can I Throwaway An International Ticket?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 12:02 am

You can throwaway an international ticket, just don't tell the airline.

No need to pay cash, the airline cannot legally charge your credit card for the difference, as they cannot prove you didn't intend to travel on that return portion. Just don't make your inbound reservation at the same time you are booking your throwaway!

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 3):
And a travel agent would never assist you in booking one as they can incur serious penalties for doing so.

Sorry, but if your travel agent won't do that for you, then you need a new travel agent. As long as you understand that they are "unaware" of what you are doing then most will do it for you. I do this all the time for people.

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